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AAF vs BCN

THIS IS A RESPONSE TO A HIGHLY INFLAMMATORY POST BY NEANDERPAUL. PAUL JUST REMOVED HIS POST,
WHICH WAS EDITED BY THE MODERATOR.

PLEASE NOTE THAT MY POST REMAINS ON TOPIC AND IS CIVIL.


Amazing. The Corporations have everything to do with the failure of WAAF and WBCN to bring talent onboard.
Maybe some of the veterans here can enlighten us if Mel/Oedi/Berardini didn't or did leverage WBCN out, help build what would become the Infinity empire on the back of WBCN. This was the first sign of trouble, the second was the Telecommunications Act of 1996.

No need to get so inflammatory, Paul, when I am absolutely on topic and on target. It is your opinion that personalities are great; it is my opinion that in a different time names emerged because they had the skills that are not accepted today. We get cookie cutter on air djs that get shuffled around and participate in a boring product. Successful? Well, if you gauge your success by dollars and cents, it is successful, but if your criteria is artistic, if we are talking about longevity, great radio programming, novel ideas, etc. Entercom and CBS are totally bankrupt with Greater Media not that far behind.

You disagree with my opinions and you either try to attack me personally, or attack the facts. Either way it is you that disrupt the thread because you defensively don't want to hear this opinion - or maybe deep down you know it is the truth.


When people die because of the irresponsibility of Entercom, its counsel and those they hire, all in the name of "success", it is blood money, not talent, that is bringing in the ratings. Whether it be Opie & Anthony on Entercom inflicting intentional emotional distress on the family of Mayor Tom Menino, or if it be on air personalities engaging in dangerous behaviour, when have you ever accepted some personal responsibility for bad actions? You did tell us that you were not very p.c. with women in the not so distant past, is your confession supposed to mitigate the fact that you too crossed the line?

Entercom Station May Hold Some Responsibility for Woman's Death
http://www.mediabuyerplanner.com/20...ay-hold-some-responsibility-for-womans-death/

Entercom a Defendant in a RICO suit
http://www.airwaves.com/archive3/v9_ 11.html

Opie & Anthony, John Depetro, now hiring a convicted Felon. The conglomerate you admire so - that fired you unceremoniously - has nothing to be proud of. It is THIS environment where on-air personalities have to navigate and attempt to keep their gig. It has little to do with talent and the product being offered by both
WBCN and WAAF is deficient. Both stations gave the community something better in years past. Calling me a dinosaur because I remember when talent like Tommy Hadges was on the airwaves is ridiculous - and proves my point yet again.
 
I want to know why this post gets removed.. It is legitimate and relevant to this conversation. We're talking about WAAF & WBCN and the differences of opinion with regard to air talent employed by both. Why is it that One poster may criticize, but when it is pointed out that the fact that they don't have an understanding of what it takes to do the job might negate their point, that's out of bounds?

"It doesn't matter what I respond with.

Only certain opinions are allowed to be expressed in this forum.

It is a fact that you have never done this for a living. It is a fact that you have never been an on-air personality, and have no frame of reference when it comes to what it takes to do the job. It is a fact that you are out of the targeted demos of the stations you're commenting on. It is a fact that the business of on-air talent, and the methods they employ in 2007 are different than they were back when you claim it was all so superior. They have changed dramatically in the last 5 years, and that not having done this for a living, you would be incapable of understanding that. It is a fact that WBCN & WAAF are succesful Rock stations in 2007. The moderators feel that pointing out these facts violates the terms of this board.

Although you will be allowed to once again post all of the names that you can recall, and your accomplishments, I will not be allowed to point out that you cannot effectively criticize WAAF or WBCN due to the fact that you are out of the demo. Apparently being called older-than-the-target audience is "inflammatory.""

Please tell me why I cannot point out these facts. Please tell me why this isn't relevant? Please tell me why the age, or first hand experience of someone is not relevant to this topic?

WBCN & WAAF target Persons 18-34 and Persons 25-54. It would stand to reason that a person at the top end of that target demo would not be able to identify with those who are regular, daily consumers of the medium within that demo. Additionally, the critic also has no reference point as to what it would take to do said job at either station.

It's like driving a standard transmission. I contend that Harvey Wharfield, and Little Walter may not even have the technical acumen necessary to perform this job in 2007.

Why are age and experience not relevant to understanding the job being criticized?
 
And once again. It isn't about personal choice. Or the overall opinion of deficiency in radio today.

We're talking about competition between two radio stations.

How is one beating the other? How can the one in the rear view change that position? The Telecomm bill and peripheral station references unrelated to the stations in question remain irrelevant to the discussion.
 
As someone who has done this for a living it is obvious to me that it is more about which station is doing less rather than which is doing more in regards to their competition with each other.

Sure, WAAF now blasts into two communities with the WILD and its original signal, having a far greater reach into Worcester than WBCN can muster. This certainly gives them a leg up. People do travel from Worcester to Boston every day, and vice versa. That's a big chunk of audience.

Both stations are not doing anything new, fresh or exciting, thus the "competition" is won only by default. The trophy currently goes to whoever messes up the least with homogenized programming which is directly related to the Telecommunications Act of 1996 - taking away independent radio and allowing 6 companies to dictate how the business will run. Take away that bad piece of legislation and you have a vastly different landscape, and a vastly different WAAF and WBCN. Right now the question itself is almost a moot point: they are both cookie cutter radio. It is hardly like comparing Star Wars to Lord of the Rings.

It is more like asking what is better, Garelick Farms milk or Stop & Shop milk. Can you taste the difference? I sure can't. That's the result of the Telecommunications Act. Those really in the business, not just soldiers, understand the significance of that legislation and how it makes the very question rather silly. Who is better able to not offend what little audience is left? Carrie, Adam 12 or Hillman or (name that jock)
 
You have no proof of your belief that anyone currently working is a soldier other than your own inability to "make it" in music. Which is the underlying crux of everything you post, everything. Carrie for what it's worth is has avast knowledge about the music she plays, seems to believe all of her own hype and really not my cup of tea as a jock but there is no way that she can be criticized for not being musically aware. True she probably does not have a clue about Willie Loco Alexander who is nothing more than a footnote in LOCAL rock history overall. Of course he was the most influential musician ever blah blah becuase you were involved in his career so obviously he was bigger than Elvis in your mind!.

Your opinion is nothing more than misplaced anger that you never made it as a musician. I dont care how many times "the count" played the Paradise, the truth is nobody knows who the count is nor do they care. WHY? because your songs judging by the musical content were not very good but that's fine Bob Dylan was never a great singer either so I will give you that. Since you always crow about how your songs are available for download, I looked and found a few. Your songs were not something that the average listener would relate to, " nothing like a hit"? bad song yes, but you sing about "the A & R" in a lyric?. WHO OUTSIDE OF THE INDUSTRY KNOWS WHAT A & R STANDS FOR? OR WHAT THEY DO? NO ONE. Blame corporations for everything, (ok they're greedy hardly new news) blame republicans, blame Karl Rove, blame Jason Wolfe, Julie Kahn, Oedipus, Tony B, Mel, Snoopy Woodstock and all of the power rangers if you want. Even if Kennedy had lived, or the country had become socialist and everyone had free healthcare and Vespa scooter with free gas for life, there is no way that "nothing like a hit" would have made it onto the radio. Why didnt your pal Harv Wharfield play it when he was at CGY? or AAF? or ZLX? since he was such a "rebel" and so "legendary". You're so full of bile for anyone doing anythig honestly and trying to make a living in this increasingly difficult medium, everyone falls short of your high standards which make sense to you and no one else. Yet you're so quick to make excuses and let anyone off the hook that are the few that would give you the time of day. Hypocrite does not even begin to describe you my friend. you cannot muster up any respect for anyone yet you are so quick to point a finger at anyone who does not genuflect to the king of cable access. As one current boston Program director recently said to me " I look at radio-info every once in a while because it's full of know nothigs. Is that Viglione guy serious about that cable access crap he does"?. To put it in terms that you might relate to given your particular obsession with the old days: You are the Herbert Stemple of Boston seeing anyone successful as Charles Van Doren who you attach a morbid fixation upon. . On second thought no, Stemple was at least a success before he took a dive.
 
To quote your friend Neanderpaul, you've gone off topic.

Harvey playing "Nothing Like A Hit" would have been a conflict, as you well know.

The song hit #1, legitimately, on the Boston Phoenix site. The Phoenix has been critical of me and they've been appreciative of my music. There were bands manipulating the MP3 site and it was obvious. It was also obvious that Nothing Like A Hit got legitimate "hits" while one local group (that has since vanished) kept ramping up their votes. You can go to my "Hit" Blog to see legitimate quotes from real people regarding the song when it was on the Phoenix site.

It's now released in the U.K. I don't see anyone picking up your "air checks" and selling them in another country. Just got the news yesterday from the United Kingdom that the disc is at the pressing plant. I am quite pleased and honored that Europe, which has always embraced my music, still cares. But this has little to do with AAF or BCN.

That being said, you really need to take a night course at some high school or Center for Adult Education, Tower Buzz, because your postings - though funny in your obsession with a local personality - are evidence why without a mentor you can't get a gig outside of the weekends.

Look, this is about AAF and BCN, not about a critic. Like the Globe recently said to me during an interview, if you're jumping all over me, i obviously hit a nerve. That's why I'm still in the news and you are the proverbial "footnote". Willie Loco is a great artist, that has nothing to do with the fact that I signed him to RCA in Europe in 1980, and everything to do with the fact that he is loved by many A & R men, and even Oedipus, who did the liner notes to the "Best Of".

At least Willie Loco has a "Best Of". How many copies would "The Best Of Towerbuzz, Afternoons in Boston" sell? That's a rhetorical question.
 
Varulven said:
To quote your friend Neanderpaul, you've gone off topic.

Harvey playing "Nothing Like A Hit" would have been a conflict, as you well know.

The song hit #1, legitimately, on the Boston Phoenix site. The Phoenix has been critical of me and they've been appreciative of my music. There were bands manipulating the MP3 site and it was obvious. It was also obvious that Nothing Like A Hit got legitimate "hits" while one local group (that has since vanished) kept ramping up their votes. You can go to my "Hit" Blog to see legitimate quotes from real people regarding the song when it was on the Phoenix site.

It's now released in the U.K. I don't see anyone picking up your "air checks" and selling them in another country. Just got the news yesterday from the United Kingdom that the disc is at the pressing plant. I am quite pleased and honored that Europe, which has always embraced my music, still cares. But this has little to do with AAF or BCN.

That being said, you really need to take a night course at some high school or Center for Adult Education, Tower Buzz, because your postings - though funny in your obsession with a local personality - are evidence why without a mentor you can't get a gig outside of the weekends.

Look, this is about AAF and BCN, not about a critic. Like the Globe recently said to me during an interview, if you're jumping all over me, i obviously hit a nerve. That's why I'm still in the news and you are the proverbial "footnote". Willie Loco is a great artist, that has nothing to do with the fact that I signed him to RCA in Europe in 1980, and everything to do with the fact that he is loved by many A & R men, and even Oedipus, who did the liner notes to the "Best Of".

At least Willie Loco has a "Best Of". How many copies would "The Best Of Towerbuzz, Afternoons in Boston" sell? That's a rhetorical question.
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What are you talking about? I got halfway through your latest rant and you have lost me.

Conflict?!... :D.....Yeah that's why he never played it, it would have been a conflict..lol....Why? did you him payola? because that would be the only conflict. Congrats, your song has been pressed in Uruguay! you're a real rock phenom!

To get back on topic and without insults here is an honest question. See if you can check your ego at the door and answer simply without a long diatribe about politics.

The thread is about wbcn vs. waaf both stations that target assumed straight white males 18-34 ( hence the talk about beer, sports and WOMEN etc which are staples of rock radio content). You as a gay male, pushing 60 years of age, whose only only frame of reference by his posts are bands and personalities from the 60's and 70's, and at BEST the 1980's. You dont ever reference anything current, you clearly don't listen to anything current. Yet you think you can intelligently critique something so far a field of your frame of reference?. To borrow an old expression it's like trying to explain astrophysics to a whino!.
 
a real candidate for Take It Outside

Nothing Like A Hit was performed at Great Woods.
It's in England. However, I'm wondering if this is a gay epithet being hurled by you: Uruguay

We know what you meant to say since you can't spell, and we know what that looks like -
it certainly is not UNITED KINGDOM, where the CD is.

WAAF will get a copy of the CD. If Carmelita plays "Nothing Like A Hit" WAAF will get my vote as to which is the better station. And that settles that.
 
:D
a real candidate for Take It Outside

Nothing Like A Hit was performed at Great Woods.
It's in England. However, I'm wondering if this is a gay epithet being hurled by you: Uruguay

;D

See? that was funny! You can be funny when you put your mind to it Joe!. Bravo, that was genuine mirth!. For the record your being gay means nothing to me I was merely making the point that you are not the typical Boston rock radio listener. Your sexual orientation is nobody's buisness but you've made reference to it many times and to quote Alan Shore from "Boston legal"; "your honor he opened the door and put it in issue". So you're gay?! more power to you!. Honestly speaking I dont think most of the hundreds of people who you've had problems with cared about your sexuality either, they disliked you becasue you are a very cotentious man. Disagreement does not have to mean disrespect. I dont see much respect coming from you toward others here. It is only radio which you're not even working in it but every post is a self promoting diatribe that slams others who are working now. You cannot logically constantly lob insult, after insult, at people's work hiding behind their being "public figures" and then cry how unfair it is that you're being "attacked" when your "career" is examined and ultimately dismissed as the fantasy that it is. I hope Carmelita does play "nothing like a hit" on her Sunday night, local music show on waaf. You should ask her for honest audience reaction! sit in the studio with her as the mullet heads sound off on your masterpiece!. It is just not a good song Joe, meaningless, dumb, inside, banality. Do yourself a favor and burn the master!.

"Denny Crane"
 
Could a moderator cut the awfulness out of this otherwise intresting thread?
 
Smoke is right again. The great Mark Parenteau axiom comes into play for Towerbuzz, "consider the source." However, Smoke, I must add, we readers are getting a first-hand example of how someone
Oedipus hired deep-sixed WBCN for good. Guess that means WAAF wins.

It also makes the nuttiness relevant.

"Ken Shelton Is Irrelevant" Oedipus to the late Gene Sylvester, Newspaper editor and writer for The Big Mattress
 
Smoke said:
Could a moderator cut the awfulness out of this otherwise intresting thread?
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If that were to happen the moderator would have to cut out the whole thread.

I gotta tell you, folks, this is becoming even more bush league than usual. Is that why this board exists, for people who may have worked in radio to thump their chests in front of each other?

This board is considered a freak show. I had one friend beg me not to mention her here. Speaks well for the site, hmm?
 
Right Mickey and you're just getting around to this realization NOW?. ::) It's a joke because people who do not work in radio poison it with their bitterness ABOUT they're not working in radio. And there are always a whole host of reasons why they're not and it's always someone else's fault without mentioning any names.
 
TowerBuzz said:
Right Mickey and you're just getting around to this realization NOW?. ::)
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hahaha....no, I've been well aware of it for quite some time.
all joking aside, there ARE some radio pros (people who make their bread and butter from the medium) here, and some of them have insight. others don't.
but whether we're radio geeks on the air, or behind the glass pushing the buttons or just know-it-alls who have this romantic view of the industry, it's great to talk about. in the words of that fine american, rodney king ---- can't we all just get along??? :D
 
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