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AAR adding more stations (2 in SF?) Buffalo, Orlando, more coming soon.

R

RBA

For a network that is dying, they seem to be adding more and more stations to include another station in San Fransisco?????

http://shows.airamericaradio.com/stations



New markets:

Bennington, VT - 1370 WBTN
Buffalo, NY - 1270 WHDL (COMING FEB.)
Eureka, CA - 1480 KGOE
Grand Rapids, MI - 1230 WTKG
Marion/Carbondale, IL - 1420 WINI
Montpelier/Barre/St Johnsbury, VT - 550 WDEV
North Bend / Coos Bay, OR - 1340 KBBR
Orlando, FL - 810 WEUS (COMING JAN.!)
Pittsburgh, PA - 1360 WPTT
Rocky Mount, NC - 1390 WEED
San Francisco, CA - 1350 KSRO
 
> > For a network that is dying, they seem to be adding more
> and
> > more stations to include another station in San
> > Fransisco?????
> >
> > http://shows.airamericaradio.com/stations
> >
> >
> >
> > San Francisco, CA - 1350 KSRO
> >
>
> They must be counting Thom Hartman's affliates:
>
> http://www.ksro.com/shows/schedule.shtml
>

Yes they are.

Not sure what's going on with Buffalo and Orlando, though. I assume those will be full-fledged AAR affiliates.<P ID="signature">______________
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Reportedly negotiating with a Tampa station...

According to the Weekly Planet newspaper. See the Tampa Bay board.
 
WHDL-AM for Buffalo Charitable At Best

> Buffalo, NY - 1270 WHDL (COMING FEB.)

WHDL is actually in Olean, NY which on the NY/PA border. I'm amused they even call it Buffalo considering how far to the south the station is located. I don't think I've ever heard it here in Rochester, and I'm not sure how much of a signal this station will manage into Buffalo, especially at night. It's just 1,000 watts non-directional.

Their coverage map suggests the more appropriate coverage for this station will be in southern NY/northern PA. Their fringe reception zone doesn't even hit Buffalo - it doesn't even hit southern suburbs of East Aurora and Lackawanna.
 
Re: WHDL-AM for Buffalo Charitable At Best

> > Buffalo, NY - 1270 WHDL (COMING FEB.)
>
> WHDL is actually in Olean, NY which on the NY/PA border.
> I'm amused they even call it Buffalo considering how far to
> the south the station is located. I don't think I've ever
> heard it here in Rochester, and I'm not sure how much of a
> signal this station will manage into Buffalo, especially at
> night. It's just 1,000 watts non-directional.
>
> Their coverage map suggests the more appropriate coverage
> for this station will be in southern NY/northern PA. Their
> fringe reception zone doesn't even hit Buffalo - it doesn't
> even hit southern suburbs of East Aurora and Lackawanna.
>

Uh, no. Not WHDL. WHLD.

WHDL is 1450, blasting AFAIK with 1 kW from a self-supporting tower next to St. Bonaventure University.
 
Re: WHLD-AM NOT WHDL-AM

> > > Buffalo, NY - 1270 WHDL (COMING FEB.)

> Uh, no. Not WHDL. WHLD.
>
> WHDL is 1450, blasting AFAIK with 1 kW from a
> self-supporting tower next to St. Bonaventure University.

The original poster transposed the letters... darn Olean station with similar calls. Now I see with WHLD we're in Buffalo proper, although I'm told the night signal isn't the best.

WHLD is apparently running brokered shows right now.
 
Re: WHLD-AM NOT WHDL-AM

> WHLD is apparently running brokered shows right now.

Indeed they are. They're known as "The Station of the Nations" and run various brokered shows in other languages. Well, at least they're supposed to do so... every time I've heard them up there, they've run the 70's pop oldies fill music that they run between the paid shows.

Then again, that might explain why they're changing to another format...as they may not sell many of those blocks. :D

-OA <P ID="signature">______________
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Oh...REALLY?! Does a station with Hartmann exclusively "qualify" as an Affiliate? Maybe it's just 82

Wait a minute! KBBR 1340/Bend, KGOE 1480/Eureka, KSRO/1350 Santa Rosa, WTKG/Grand Rapids, and WPTT/Pittsburg just have Hartmann. Should these Hartmann-only affiliates be listed as affiliates on the AAR home page w/ the banner "87 Stations and Growing?" Maybe it's really 82!!!

The IRONY here is that these stations have several hours per week of left leaning hosts from *OTHER* networks - indeed, networks in *COMPETITION* with Air America - e.g. Schultz, Stephanie Miller, Peter B Collins, Doug Stephan, Alan Colmes, Coast to Coast AM, etc.

Furthermore, these stations have far right conservative hosts! 1340 has NEAL BOORTZ and JERRY DOYLE!!! WPTT has Laura Ingraham!!! WTKG has Dr. Laura and GLENN BECK!!!

These stations in my view SHOULD NOT be listed as AAR affiliates UNLESS the stations will soon include additional AAR hosts.

I think the network needs to start releasing affiliate lists for each of its hosts. Otherwise, advertisers will get confused.

HOW SHOULD THEY CHANGE THEIR WEB SITE Design?

http://www.airamericaradio.com/

http://shows.airamericaradio.com/stations

***Schedules***

http://www.ksro.com/shows/schedule.shtml

http://www.kgoe.com/shows/schedule.shtml

http://1340kbbr.com

http://www.1360wptt.com/

http://www.wtkg.com/schedule.html

> New markets:
>
> Bennington, VT - 1370 WBTN
> Buffalo, NY - 1270 WHDL (COMING FEB.)
> Eureka, CA - 1480 KGOE
> Grand Rapids, MI - 1230 WTKG
> Marion/Carbondale, IL - 1420 WINI
> Montpelier/Barre/St Johnsbury, VT - 550 WDEV
> North Bend / Coos Bay, OR - 1340 KBBR
> Orlando, FL - 810 WEUS (COMING JAN.!)
> Pittsburgh, PA - 1360 WPTT
> Rocky Mount, NC - 1390 WEED
> San Francisco, CA - 1350 KSRO
>
 
The Osama Hour

> Indeed they are. They're known as "The Station of the
> Nations" and run various brokered shows in other languages.
> Well, at least they're supposed to do so... every time I've
> heard them up there, they've run the 70's pop oldies fill
> music that they run between the paid shows.

I'd be bemused if they actually sold time to Osama or some other militant fundamentalist group for the Arabic Hate Hour.

In this industry, I wonder if there'd be a station in this country that would actually take the program for the cash. The answer is probably yes, if only because the PD (if there is one) probably wouldn't understand what was being said anyway.

If paid ethnic doesn't fly, there is always dollar a holler brokered religion, but I assume someone else is already doing that.

I suspect WHLD will run the AAR format as a turnkey satellite talk operation, so not a big difference here.
 
Re: Oh...REALLY?! Does a station with Hartmann exclusively "qualify" as an Affiliate? Maybe it's just 82

> Wait a minute! KBBR 1340/Bend, KGOE 1480/Eureka, KSRO/1350
> Santa Rosa, WTKG/Grand Rapids, and WPTT/Pittsburg just have
> Hartmann. Should these Hartmann-only affiliates be listed
> as affiliates on the AAR home page w/ the banner "87
> Stations and Growing?" Maybe it's really 82!!!
>
> The IRONY here is that these stations have several hours per
> week of left leaning hosts from *OTHER* networks - indeed,
> networks in *COMPETITION* with Air America - e.g. Schultz,
> Stephanie Miller, Peter B Collins, Doug Stephan, Alan
> Colmes, Coast to Coast AM, etc.
>
> Furthermore, these stations have far right conservative
> hosts! 1340 has NEAL BOORTZ and JERRY DOYLE!!! WPTT has
> Laura Ingraham!!! WTKG has Dr. Laura and GLENN BECK!!!
>
> These stations in my view SHOULD NOT be listed as AAR
> affiliates UNLESS the stations will soon include additional
> AAR hosts.
>
> I think the network needs to start releasing affiliate lists
> for each of its hosts. Otherwise, advertisers will get
> confused.
>
> HOW SHOULD THEY CHANGE THEIR WEB SITE Design?
>
> http://www.airamericaradio.com/
>
> http://shows.airamericaradio.com/stations
>
> ***Schedules***
>
> http://www.ksro.com/shows/schedule.shtml
>
> http://www.kgoe.com/shows/schedule.shtml
>
> http://1340kbbr.com
>
> http://www.1360wptt.com/
>
> http://www.wtkg.com/schedule.html
>
> > New markets:
> >
> > Bennington, VT - 1370 WBTN
> > Buffalo, NY - 1270 WHDL (COMING FEB.)
> > Eureka, CA - 1480 KGOE
> > Grand Rapids, MI - 1230 WTKG
> > Marion/Carbondale, IL - 1420 WINI
> > Montpelier/Barre/St Johnsbury, VT - 550 WDEV
> > North Bend / Coos Bay, OR - 1340 KBBR
> > Orlando, FL - 810 WEUS (COMING JAN.!)
> > Pittsburgh, PA - 1360 WPTT
> > Rocky Mount, NC - 1390 WEED
> > San Francisco, CA - 1350 KSRO
> >
>

They already list markets that only carry one or two AAR shows. WJNO is one example (they were Randi Rhodes' old flagship). WMAS in Springfield, MA also carries only Rhodes' show (the WHMP trimulcast carries other AAR shows). WTAM in Cleveland carries only Springer. And there's a few small market stations that carry only Franken. These station have always counted as affiliates.

With Hartmann's syndication now under the AAR umbrella, I guess this would make his affiliates AAR affiliates.<P ID="signature">______________
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OK, then AAR Should Leave the Affiliate Count OFF Their Web Site.

> They already list markets that only carry one or two AAR
> shows. WJNO is one example (they were Randi Rhodes' old
> flagship). WMAS in Springfield, MA also carries only Rhodes'
> show (the WHMP trimulcast carries other AAR shows). WTAM in
> Cleveland carries only Springer. And there's a few small
> market stations that carry only Franken. These station have
> always counted as affiliates.
>
> With Hartmann's syndication now under the AAR umbrella, I
> guess this would make his affiliates AAR affiliates.

With the information that you've posted it's even more confusing. Sounds like they need to just leave the affiliate count entirely OFF their web site, like most radio networks do, and for very good reasons.
 
Re: OK, then AAR Should Leave the Affiliate Count OFF Their Web Site.

> > They already list markets that only carry one or two AAR
> > shows. WJNO is one example (they were Randi Rhodes' old
> > flagship). WMAS in Springfield, MA also carries only
> Rhodes'
> > show (the WHMP trimulcast carries other AAR shows). WTAM
> in
> > Cleveland carries only Springer. And there's a few small
> > market stations that carry only Franken. These station
> have
> > always counted as affiliates.
> >
> > With Hartmann's syndication now under the AAR umbrella, I
> > guess this would make his affiliates AAR affiliates.
>
> With the information that you've posted it's even more
> confusing. Sounds like they need to just leave the
> affiliate count entirely OFF their web site, like most radio
> networks do, and for very good reasons.
>

I don't think there's any problem with telling people where they can find the network's programming. Lots of networks do this. For example, most ESPN affiliates don't carry the entire schedule, but they're listed on ESPN's site. Nobody complains about this, as far as I know.<P ID="signature">______________
The Liberal Talk Radio Update</P>
 
Re: OK, then AAR Should Leave the Affiliate Count OFF Their Web Site.

> With the information that you've posted it's even more
> confusing. Sounds like they need to just leave the
> affiliate count entirely OFF their web site, like most radio
> networks do, and for very good reasons.

I suspect this is done to counter the right wing propaganda that AAR is "failing" and that "nobody listens." As that fades from view as the utter nonsense that it is, I'll bet the affiliate count disappears from the site.
 
Re: OK, then AAR Should Leave the Affiliate Count OFF Their Web Site.

> > With the information that you've posted it's even more
> > confusing. Sounds like they need to just leave the
> > affiliate count entirely OFF their web site, like most
> radio
> > networks do, and for very good reasons.
>
> I suspect this is done to counter the right wing propaganda
> that AAR is "failing" and that "nobody listens." As that
> fades from view as the utter nonsense that it is, I'll bet
> the affiliate count disappears from the site.
>

I'm sure the higher affiliate count helps to bolster ad revenue when advertisers purchase network-wide time.

Hell, who wouldn't do this? And as I mentioned before, ESPN and others do the same thing, and there seems to be more ESPN affiliates than there are full-time sports stations total.<P ID="signature">______________
The Liberal Talk Radio Update</P>
 
Re: Oh...REALLY?! Does a station with Hartmann exclusively "qualify" as an Affiliate? Maybe it's just 82

This whole affiliate thing can be deceiving. Not because AAR is misleading anyone; technically, anyone who airs an hour of their programming, even their separate network, counts. Remember that station in North Carolina that aired one hour of Unfiltered amidst 23/7 conservative talk for the purpose of "offering a peak into the Dem's camp"?

Westwood One can and will claim 7,700 or so affiliates nationwide, whether some of those stations air a one-minute vignette or a full slate of WW1 talk. For the non-radio person, especially those familiar with Salem's "whereyouropinioncounts.com take-it-with-you" approach, it can cause honest misconceptions.
 
Re: OK, then AAR Should Leave the Affiliate Count OFF Their Web Site.

> > With the information that you've posted it's even more
> > confusing. Sounds like they need to just leave the
> > affiliate count entirely OFF their web site, like most
> radio
> > networks do, and for very good reasons.
>
> I suspect this is done to counter the right wing propaganda
> that AAR is "failing" and that "nobody listens." As that
> fades from view as the utter nonsense that it is, I'll bet
> the affiliate count disappears from the site.

Well, to anyone who knows anything about affiliate counts, 87 is nothing. They should brag about LOS ANGELES and CHICAGO and what have you, not have a bunch of affiliates in Olean, NY. Bill Bennett himself has 125 affiliates for god's sake.
 
AAR's Infamous Affiliate List (And Salem's, For That Matter)

> Well, to anyone who knows anything about affiliate counts,
> 87 is nothing. They should brag about LOS ANGELES and
> CHICAGO and what have you, not have a bunch of affiliates in
> Olean, NY. Bill Bennett himself has 125 affiliates for god's
> sake.

Oh, come on...you know as well as anyone that roughly 80-90 of Bennett's affiliates are Salem's own conservatalk (and some other AM) stations. I actually went through the list once. I didn't make it to Wisconsin, say, but I'd gone through most of it, and could only identify about 6 stations that weren't owned by his parent company.

AAR's affiliate list started coming into scrutiny from me, and others, because the network had a bad habit of including stations in the "coming soon" list that had no business being there.

My favorite is the one station which was put on the list solely because they'd told AAR's affiliate rep that they COULD be interested in the programming at some point. Another, a station once mistakenly called "KPEE" (!!!) in the Santa Cruz/Salinas/Monterey market, was actually a tiny FM oldies simulcast called KTEE (93.7 Felton CA)...which as far as anyone knew, had no intent on changing to libtalk. Up the road in the San Francisco Bay Area, they actually announced two small AMs as future affiliates...a deal which never happened.

Things have since settled down, of course, but part of the problem with the affiliate list is that AAR was once seen as a 24/7 network, and some stations on it only ran one program under special conditions (Randi Rhodes on WJNO, Al Franken on a Minneapolis station, etc.).

Even these days, Jerry Springer's affiliates are counted, even though AAR does not produce his show, and only airs it, itself, as a "network wide" affiliate. For one, our own local WTAM/1100 is certainly not carrying the show through AAR...yet AAR has WTAM on the list.

-OA<P ID="signature">______________
Ohio Media Watch - <a target="_blank" href=http://ohiomedia.blogspot.com>http://ohiomedia.blogspot.com</a></P>
 
Re: Oh...REALLY?! Does a station with Hartmann exclusively "qualify" as an Affiliate? Maybe it's just 82

> Wait a minute! KBBR 1340/Bend, KGOE 1480/Eureka, KSRO/1350
> Santa Rosa, WTKG/Grand Rapids, and WPTT/Pittsburg just have
> Hartmann. Should these Hartmann-only affiliates be listed
> as affiliates on the AAR home page w/ the banner "87
> Stations and Growing?" Maybe it's really 82!!!
>

why's ksro listed as San fran?? what a laugh!!


> The IRONY here is that these stations have several hours per
> week of left leaning hosts from *OTHER* networks - indeed,
> networks in *COMPETITION* with Air America - e.g. Schultz,
> Stephanie Miller, Peter B Collins, Doug Stephan, Alan
> Colmes, Coast to Coast AM, etc.
>
> Furthermore, these stations have far right conservative
> hosts! 1340 has NEAL BOORTZ and JERRY DOYLE!!! WPTT has
> Laura Ingraham!!! WTKG has Dr. Laura and GLENN BECK!!!
>
> These stations in my view SHOULD NOT be listed as AAR
> affiliates UNLESS the stations will soon include additional
> AAR hosts.
>
> I think the network needs to start releasing affiliate lists
> for each of its hosts. Otherwise, advertisers will get
> confused.
>
> HOW SHOULD THEY CHANGE THEIR WEB SITE Design?
>
> http://www.airamericaradio.com/
>
> http://shows.airamericaradio.com/stations
>
> ***Schedules***
>
> http://www.ksro.com/shows/schedule.shtml
>
> http://www.kgoe.com/shows/schedule.shtml
>
> http://1340kbbr.com
>
> http://www.1360wptt.com/
>
> http://www.wtkg.com/schedule.html
>
> > New markets:
> >
> > Bennington, VT - 1370 WBTN
> > Buffalo, NY - 1270 WHDL (COMING FEB.)
> > Eureka, CA - 1480 KGOE
> > Grand Rapids, MI - 1230 WTKG
> > Marion/Carbondale, IL - 1420 WINI
> > Montpelier/Barre/St Johnsbury, VT - 550 WDEV
> > North Bend / Coos Bay, OR - 1340 KBBR
> > Orlando, FL - 810 WEUS (COMING JAN.!)
> > Pittsburgh, PA - 1360 WPTT
> > Rocky Mount, NC - 1390 WEED
> > San Francisco, CA - 1350 KSRO
> >
>
 
Re: AAR's Infamous Affiliate List (And Salem's, For That Matter)

> Oh, come on...you know as well as anyone that roughly 80-90
> of Bennett's affiliates are Salem's own conservatalk (and
> some other AM) stations. I actually went through the list
> once. I didn't make it to Wisconsin, say, but I'd gone
> through most of it, and could only identify about 6 stations
> that weren't owned by his parent company.

I've never heard Bennett's show. Does he offer gaming tips and sports book odds? Sorry, cheap shot.

> AAR's affiliate list started coming into scrutiny from me,
> and others, because the network had a bad habit of including
> stations in the "coming soon" list that had no business
> being there.

They screwed up bad in that regard. It seems like it was just a bad habit left over from the old regime, since they've gotten at least a little more careful about that.

> My favorite is the one station which was put on the list
> solely because they'd told AAR's affiliate rep that they
> COULD be interested in the programming at some point.
> Another, a station once mistakenly called "KPEE" (!!!) in
> the Santa Cruz/Salinas/Monterey market, was actually a tiny
> FM oldies simulcast called KTEE (93.7 Felton CA)...which as
> far as anyone knew, had no intent on changing to libtalk.
> Up the road in the San Francisco Bay Area, they actually
> announced two small AMs as future affiliates...a deal which
> never happened.

I scratched my head over the Santa Cruz one. This may have been a pending deal that fell through. The Bay Area stations were interested in affiliating, but didn't have the technical capabilities to pull it off. Then KQKE came along.

> Things have since settled down, of course, but part of the
> problem with the affiliate list is that AAR was once seen as
> a 24/7 network, and some stations on it only ran one program
> under special conditions (Randi Rhodes on WJNO, Al Franken
> on a Minneapolis station, etc.).

They intended to go with the 'all or nothing' approach at the beginning. The best thing that could have happened with AAR was KPOJ in Portland, which set the tone for most future progressive talkers. Then they realized it would be smarter to offer shows a la carte or in packages. They do have an advantage being a full-service network, thought, in that they offer programming for any daypart that can easily fill a gap in an affiliate's schedule. Plus, they have a very heavy online listenership and a dedicated XM channel.

> Even these days, Jerry Springer's affiliates are counted,
> even though AAR does not produce his show, and only airs it,
> itself, as a "network wide" affiliate. For one, our own
> local WTAM/1100 is certainly not carrying the show through
> AAR...yet AAR has WTAM on the list.
>
> -OA

AAR is the distributor, though the show originates from Chicago (occasionally Cincinnati). I'm still surprised Premiere didn't jump in and syndicate his show. I was sure that they would jump into the liberal talk fray.

I think AAR considers any station airing AAR programming to be an affiliate. Makes sense to me. After all, nobody complains when ESPN, FOX Sports or Sporting News Radio claims a station that only airs certain programs to be an 'affiliate'. Same with NPR or PRI (not every affiliate takes every program). I don't see much difference with AAR's model.<P ID="signature">______________
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