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AAR, Salem - Opposites or Twins?

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Air America Radio and Salem Radio Network appear to have some things in common:
<ul>
[*]Both are owned by for-profit corporations. Piquant LLC (is privately held). Salem Communications (SALM)is publicly held and trades on the NASDAQ.
[*]Both offer programming driven by particular perspectives.
[*]Salem owns 104 stations and provides three formats (Political talk, Religious talk, Religious music). AAR has an LMA for one station and offers one format (Political talk).
[*]Both talk networks operate as "full service networks" under a business model of delivering formats more than individual programs.
[*]Both talk networks tend to be heard on lower power, "under-performing" AM radio stations, some of which use the network in question as a low-cost, turn-key programming solution.
[*]For the most part, talk stations affiliated with either network offer little local content and have little local presence.
[*]With few exceptions, neither networks' talk stations are strong ratings contenders.
[*]Both talk networks have hired at least some hosts based on political credentials rather than broadcast experience.
[*]Both talk networks have received unwelcome attention after hosts made ill-advised comments which have generated controversy and criticism.
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Both Salem and AAR exist to advance the owners' agenda. Political issues may carry more weight in decision-making than programming considerations (and in the case of Salem, religious issues, as well). This is not at all unsual in radio. In the era before corporate radio, local owners often used radio stations to play the music they like, to give themselves greater visibility and postion in the community, and to promote their own viewpoints. All that still happens but not as much with corporate owners whose primary concern is the bottom-line.

But of the two, Salem appears to be the more bottom-line oriented company (not surprising given the legal requirements for publicly-held corporations). They have experienced radio managers who have targeted a specific market segment, which they attempt to serve. AAR has said their purpose it to influence the outcome of elections. Which raises the question, how would AAR be different with experienced radio managers targeting a given market segment and focused on the bottom-line? And how would Salem be different as a completely secular company?
 
> AAR has said
> their purpose it to influence the outcome of elections.

Really? When?

I think a lot of people projected that onto them, but I've never heard it out of their mouth.<P ID="signature">______________
...co-moderator of the Satellite Radio, Phoenix, and San Diego boards...</P>
 
Both would have found a market segment, done extensive reseach on it, and provided programming or personalities to serve it, no matter how the research would have come out politically. Both Salem and AAR seem to be in the mode of building it and hoping the listeners will follow, rather than following the listeners.
 
Air America Radio and Salem Radio Network appear to have few things in common:

• Salem owns all of the stations that carry its programming. AAR syndicates its programming on affiliated stations

• Salem requires its stations to carry all of the Salem's talkers. AAR generally requires that its affiliates carry at least 75% of its programming

• Salem owns 104 stations and provides three formats(Political talk, Religious ta an LMA for one station and offers one format (Political talk).

• Salem offers conservative talk radio in markets that already have at least one or two stations offering conservative talk. AAR offers liberal talk radio in markets that mostly offer no liberal talk.

• AAR uses talkers who use humor to convey their political positions. e.g. Randi Rhodes, Marc Maron, and Sam Sader. Salem talkers are not funny at all.

• Salems best demographic is men 60+. AAR's best demographic is men and women 35 to 54.

• AAR is privately held). Salem Communications (SALM)is publicly
held and trades on the NASDAQ.



> Air America Radio and Salem Radio Network appear to have
> some things in common:
>
> Both are owned by for-profit corporations. Piquant LLC (is
> privately held). Salem Communications (SALM)is publicly
> held and trades on the NASDAQ.
> Both offer programming driven by particular perspectives.
> Salem owns 104 stations and provides three formats
> (Political talk, Religious talk, Religious music). AAR has
> an LMA for one station and offers one format (Political
> talk).
> Both talk networks operate as "full service networks" under
> a business model of delivering formats more than individual
> programs.
> Both talk networks tend to be heard on lower power,
> "under-performing" AM radio stations, some of which use the
> network in question as a low-cost, turn-key programming
> solution.
> For the most part, talk stations affiliated with either
> network offer little local content and have little local
> presence.
> With few exceptions, neither networks' talk stations are
> strong ratings contenders.
> Both talk networks have hired at least some hosts based on
> political credentials rather than broadcast experience.
> Both talk networks have received unwelcome attention after
> hosts made ill-advised comments which have generated
> controversy and criticism.
>
>
> Both Salem and AAR exist to advance the owners' agenda.
> Political issues may carry more weight in decision-making
> than programming considerations (and in the case of Salem,
> religious issues, as well). This is not at all unsual in
> radio. In the era before corporate radio, local owners
> often used radio stations to play the music they like, to
> give themselves greater visibility and postion in the
> community, and to promote their own viewpoints. All that
> still happens but not as much with corporate owners whose
> primary concern is the bottom-line.
>
> But of the two, Salem appears to be the more bottom-line
> oriented company (not surprising given the legal
> requirements for publicly-held corporations). They have
> experienced radio managers who have targeted a specific
> market segment, which they attempt to serve. AAR has said
> their purpose it to influence the outcome of elections.
> Which raises the question, how would AAR be different with
> experienced radio managers targeting a given market segment
> and focused on the bottom-line? And how would Salem be
> different as a completely secular company?
>
<P ID="signature">______________
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> Air America Radio and Salem Radio Network appear to have few
> things in common:
>
> • Salem owns all of the stations that carry its programming.
> AAR syndicates its programming on affiliated stations

No, their talk programs are available to any station that wants to affiliate.
The stations they own may be required to carry all of their programs, but some of them run non-Salem programs, such as Savage on their Minneapolis station.

>
> • Salem requires its stations to carry all of the Salem's
> talkers. AAR generally requires that its affiliates carry
> at least 75% of its programming
>
> • Salem owns 104 stations and provides three
> formats(Political talk, Religious ta an LMA for one station
> and offers one format (Political talk).
>
> • Salem offers conservative talk radio in markets that
> already have at least one or two stations offering
> conservative talk. AAR offers liberal talk radio in markets
> that mostly offer no liberal talk.
>
> • AAR uses talkers who use humor to convey their political
> positions. e.g. Randi Rhodes, Marc Maron, and Sam Sader.
> Salem talkers are not funny at all.
>
> • Salems best demographic is men 60+. AAR's best
> demographic is men and women 35 to 54.
>
> • AAR is privately held). Salem Communications (SALM)is
> publicly
> held and trades on the NASDAQ.


I think Salem's conservative talk stations are but a very small part of Salem.
They make more money on their stations with paid religion and their FMs with contemporary Christian music.

But there's more to Salem... they distribute three Christian music satellite formats to many stations, distribute many preaching and talk programs from other suppliers through their satellite channels, operate their own news network which is syndicated to many non-Salem stations, and they also publish magazines.
According to their web site, they serve in one fashion or another over 1500 radio stations.
 
As I began reading your post, i at first thought you were trying to be funny because your information is so incorrect. I think you started reading this thread and decided to chime in even though you don't have a clue at all about SRN (Salem Radio Network). I am going to try and clear up some of your disimformation.

> Air America Radio and Salem Radio Network appear to have few
> things in common:
>
> • Salem owns all of the stations that carry its programming.
> AAR syndicates its programming on affiliated stations

Salem owns some of the large market stations that carry some of the network's programming.

> • Salem requires its stations to carry all of the Salem's
> talkers. AAR generally requires that its affiliates carry
> at least 75% of its programming

Why are you blatantly making up information? Stop it! Not even all of Salem's owned and operated stations carry all of it's own programming.

> • Salem owns 104 stations and provides three
> formats(Political talk, Religious ta an LMA for one station
> and offers one format (Political talk).

That sentance doesn't even make sense.

> • Salem offers conservative talk radio in markets that
> already have at least one or two stations offering
> conservative talk. AAR offers liberal talk radio in markets
> that mostly offer no liberal talk.

That is sort of misleading. Most talk stations are not purely conservative. Is Rush Limbaugh conservative? Yes. Is Dr. Laura conservative? Yes. That does not mean that the entire station that carries these shows is "conservative talk".

> • AAR uses talkers who use humor to convey their political
> positions. e.g. Randi Rhodes, Marc Maron, and Sam Sader.
> Salem talkers are not funny at all.

It's obvious what political party you agree with. What is humorous is very subjective. I have listened to a lot of Air America and i don't think i have ever laughed once. I am sure there are some conservatives who would say the same thing you have about Michael Medved or Hugh Hewitt. Your sense of humor is not a universal trait.

> • Salems best demographic is men 60+. AAR's best
> demographic is men and women 35 to 54.

Please stop making up demographical information. If you don't know (and it's obvious what orifice you pulled that "data" from), then don't speak.

> • AAR is privately held). Salem Communications (SALM)is
> publicly
> held and trades on the NASDAQ.

True. You finally were factually correct for once. I don't understand someone taking the time to post a comment about a topic they are unfamiliar with, without doing any sort of fact-checking. You are only making yourself look like an idiot. Why don't you strive for excellence next time?

HR
 
>> • Salem requires its stations to carry all of the Salem's
> > talkers. AAR generally requires that its affiliates carry
>
> > at least 75% of its programming
>
> Why are you blatantly making up information? Stop it! Not
> even all of Salem's owned and operated stations carry all of
> it's own programming.
>
They might drop a host or two here and there for some outside product, such as Laura Ingraham or Dr. Laura. When there is a Salem station in town, I don't hear any Salem shows on non-Salem stations. The station in my area carries Bennett,Gallagher, Prager, Medved. I don't see who's left out.

> > • Salem offers conservative talk radio in markets that
> > already have at least one or two stations offering
> > conservative talk. AAR offers liberal talk radio in
> markets
> > that mostly offer no liberal talk.
>
> That is sort of misleading. Most talk stations are not
> purely conservative. Is Rush Limbaugh conservative? Yes.
> Is Dr. Laura conservative? Yes. That does not mean that
> the entire station that carries these shows is "conservative
> talk".

Uh, maybe not ten years ago, but now it does. With rare exceptions (such as WTAM airing Jerry Springer in Cleveland), most talkers that carry Rush since about 1994 have tried to hold onto that cume with ideological Rush-clones all through the day. What I think irritates you about that sentence under the surface is the fact that Salem's brand of conservative talk doesn't do as well as the others in virtually all of its markets, and yet Salem continues to sell ice to Eskimos, a sign of simple pigheadedness, or of putting ideology above the bottom line, a questionable attitude for a publicly traded company.
>
> > • AAR uses talkers who use humor to convey their political
>
> > positions. e.g. Randi Rhodes, Marc Maron, and Sam Sader.
> > Salem talkers are not funny at all.
>
> It's obvious what political party you agree with. What is
> humorous is very subjective. I have listened to a lot of
> Air America and i don't think i have ever laughed once. I
> am sure there are some conservatives who would say the same
> thing you have about Michael Medved or Hugh Hewitt. Your
> sense of humor is not a universal trait.

Generalizing here, Salem talkers are pretty pedantic. Salem talk shows sound like lectures given by conservative intellectuals. Sort of a right wing version of a Marxist re-education camp. When they talk to liberal callers, it doesn't sound like the usual Rush/Hannity shtick. It sounds as if they are genuinely trying to achieve the ideological equivalent of religious conversion with the caller.
 
Re: AAR, Salem - Opposites, Twins or something else?

One might not reasonably expect them to be twins since twins (at least identical twins) tend toward the same disposition.

Opposites, yes, but perhaps "doppelgangers", one good; one evil.
Better question, if they are "doppelgangers", which is which????

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doppelganger


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Re: AAR, Salem - Opposites, Twins or something else?

>
> Opposites, yes, but perhaps "doppelgangers", one good; one
> evil.
> Better question, if they are "doppelgangers", which is
> which????
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doppelganger
>
A no-brainer, here.
The good one is the one that re-enforces my beliefs.
The evil one is the one that challenges them.<P ID="signature">______________
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Re: Another commonality

Another commonality, at least in the Miami FL market.
The word on the street is that they might soon be sharing a directional array.<P ID="signature">______________
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