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jayedwards
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Is Air America trying to get on in Philly and other cities OR have their given up for now?
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fred flintstone
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They have an affiliate relations sales staff that calls on potential stations. So do the other syndicators, networks and distributors. Right now they don't have that good of a story to pitch to stations.
In Philadelphia, none of the stations with decent signals is likely to be receptive. The CBS Radio AM stations are doing well. The Salem stations are ideologically opposed to progressive talk radio. That leaves only Greater Media's WPEN. Maybe had AAR had better timing and pitched them when they dropped Standards or Real Oldies - maybe. Instead, AAR put themselves on low power AM with a poor signal over much of the market - in a hodge-podge Urban talk-progressive talk-gospel non-format with almost no promotion, and they struck out. That does not improve their chances of getting back in.
They are actually better off not coming back to Philly for the time being. If they came back now, they would almost certainly repeat the AAR time-tested formula for failure:
Get on a bad stick.
Automate and just take the AAR feed.
Don't do local programming; run Reilly/Maddow instead.
Don't take Steph in late morning; run Jerry instead.
They could continue to pitch Greater Media but Greater Media has screwed up every format it has tried lately. AAR doesn't need another failure. They need carefully to pick their targets.
Or maybe the Drobnys will get an LMA on one of the bottom feeders for them. I notice in Phoenix, the new Drobny LMA isn't even showing up in the Trends (although the earlier progressive talk station was doing OK and showing audience growth before the owners sold out).
In Philadelphia, none of the stations with decent signals is likely to be receptive. The CBS Radio AM stations are doing well. The Salem stations are ideologically opposed to progressive talk radio. That leaves only Greater Media's WPEN. Maybe had AAR had better timing and pitched them when they dropped Standards or Real Oldies - maybe. Instead, AAR put themselves on low power AM with a poor signal over much of the market - in a hodge-podge Urban talk-progressive talk-gospel non-format with almost no promotion, and they struck out. That does not improve their chances of getting back in.
They are actually better off not coming back to Philly for the time being. If they came back now, they would almost certainly repeat the AAR time-tested formula for failure:
Get on a bad stick.
Automate and just take the AAR feed.
Don't do local programming; run Reilly/Maddow instead.
Don't take Steph in late morning; run Jerry instead.
They could continue to pitch Greater Media but Greater Media has screwed up every format it has tried lately. AAR doesn't need another failure. They need carefully to pick their targets.
Or maybe the Drobnys will get an LMA on one of the bottom feeders for them. I notice in Phoenix, the new Drobny LMA isn't even showing up in the Trends (although the earlier progressive talk station was doing OK and showing audience growth before the owners sold out).
fred flintstone said:
Actually KPHX did show up in the ratings on Monday. I think we are allowed to quote the 12+ number. If not I'll just say it was about a 1. Not quite where it was , but not bad for a first rating. The station they used to be on didn't even show up in the ratings this time. I wonder how all the naysayers will spin that.
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fred flintstone
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You're right, jk3. I mis-read the list.
KXXT's AQH shares in the last two full survey periods before the flip were 20% and 50% higher.
KPHX was an asterix before it flipped.
KPHX has managed to retain most of the former station's share, which is pretty good considering the new station does not have as good a signal - especially East and Northeast of the city - and also has a less desirable dial position.
KXXT's AQH shares in the last two full survey periods before the flip were 20% and 50% higher.
KPHX was an asterix before it flipped.
KPHX has managed to retain most of the former station's share, which is pretty good considering the new station does not have as good a signal - especially East and Northeast of the city - and also has a less desirable dial position.
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raydofan
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fred flintstone said:
Perhaps it was a deal of convenience. WLIB and WHAT were both ICBC owned/managed at the time. (What is up with WLIB? Are they changing management or doing an LMA with other programs?)
As a person who was an 'early converter', I really don't care what happens to them, but they really screwed the pooch with Sirius and the podcasts. I'm not getting xm until a dual receiver is out, and I ain't paying for a low-bitrate cast.
Lionel is by far the best out of any of the so-called left-wing talent. He's really about common sense.
But I did love The Majority Report...ah well.
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fred flintstone
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Screwing Sirus was another "deal of convenience," too. Some have said it was just business (since when are liberals OK with companies taking a public-be-damend attitude). Some said AAR got in bed with XM to get studio space in DC (which I haven't heard them use and which is easily available by other means - they don't have a problem getting facilities in Atlanta, Minneapolis or Palm Beach).raydofan said:
My basic point is everytime AAR makes one of these "deals of convenience" - these bad deals or dumb deals, they discredit the progressive talk format within the broadcasting industry. Every time they strike out in a market they make it harder to persuade stations to adopt the format. The broadcasting industry doubted progressive talk radio could work and could be successful going in. AAR (and Jones) need to keep demonstrating the format is viable; they need wins, not deals. All these "deals of convenience" accomplish is give Maloney something to talk about.
fred flintstone said:
Who says AAR did the XM deal for studio space in DC? I think AAR got a lot more than studio space in DC for the XM exclusivity deal. The way the satcasters are throwing money around. (Didn't they just put million bucks out for Oprah on the radio?) it only make sense for AAR to do a sat-radio deal. Afterall, AAR is far and away the most popular on-line political broadcaster. I think they got a lot more than studio time in DC for the XM deal.
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fred flintstone
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People posting on this board (or - more precisely - this board's former incarnation).
At the time, Sirius was carrying AAR full time; XM Radio was not. People (like raydofan) had bought Sirius receivers and subscribed to Sirius to listen to AAR. And they got shafted when AAR bailed on them. The short-coming to running a liberal talk radio network is people might expect you to display the qualities liberals espouse.
The good news is XM and Sirius are so busy trying to one-up each other by making deals that they are mostly shooting themselves in the foot and discouraging people from signing up for one service or the other. If they thought more about creating value for the customer, they'd have more customers. And if AAR were more focused on doing good radio for their listeners, they might have more listeners, as well.
As to this assertion that KXXT dropped out of the 12+ share, so what? When was the last time Salem's KPXQ or 1010's sister KXEG showed up? I haven't seen KMIK before. Yet these companies are making pretty decent money. They don't care about ratings. That's how we spin it
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