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ABC CITADEL AM STATIONS SUSPEND NIGHTTIME IBOC
- Thread starter Savage
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Wow! That is a rather large bomb dropped!! How many AM Citadel stations (besides WLS) does this effect?
If this is the case, WABC/New York and WJR/Detroit would be affected as they are first adjacent to each other. I noticed the strong hash between WABC and WJR on skywave. Both stations are very strong here at night in Massachusetts. It was a real mess just trying to trying listen to either one of them. I live in the Boston area and with both stations fighting it out with their own IBOC's, I simply changed the station. I can't listen to that white noise for long. I was using a Kenwood TS-50 (a rather decent HAM radio transceiver) with a longwire antenna.
According to the internal source, who, in true IBOC-intrigue fashion, "spoke upon condition of anonymity" but is a highly-placed engineering executive:
The order is for ALL Citadel AMs running IBOC at night and is effective immediately. No reason was specified for the order, but obviously the interference issues are the most likely factor. Whether it was mutual interference among co-owned stations or fear of FCC complaints or litigation from outside Citadel is not clear, nor would it be likely that the company would comment to that effect.
The order is for ALL Citadel AMs running IBOC at night and is effective immediately. No reason was specified for the order, but obviously the interference issues are the most likely factor. Whether it was mutual interference among co-owned stations or fear of FCC complaints or litigation from outside Citadel is not clear, nor would it be likely that the company would comment to that effect.
I work at night in the Boston area and am trying to pick up some distant ESPN affiliates (Hartford 1410,
NYC 1050 for example) for some baseball playoff coverage (non Red Sox) as Boston's ESPN stations
(890/1400) are very weak at night. This could be welcome news for me...
NYC 1050 for example) for some baseball playoff coverage (non Red Sox) as Boston's ESPN stations
(890/1400) are very weak at night. This could be welcome news for me...
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Uncle Elbie
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I heard from someone inside Citadel that there was major interference to WSB in Atlanta and that was a big factor in turning off.
Excellent news! Maybe they're figuring out what a mess this could be. I noticed that CBS' KYW 1060 hasn't been transmitting in HD at night lately either - which has been very good for reception of WTIC. I had been battling a high-pitched hash in the background. And, the WABC, WJW issue has been awful. In PA, they were managing to blot each other out almost every night with high-pitched hiss. For the first time in about 2 weeks, WABC came in clearly last night.
Oddly enough, last night WBZ was coming in so well in PA that their IBOC hash was audible on 1020 and 1040. I was getting a bit of hash from WTIC sneaking onto 1090 too.
It's good to see that the pros are waking up to the fact that it's hard to control the hash and that nighttime IBOC only works very close to the actual tx site - to the detriment of everyone outside of that small radius.
Oddly enough, last night WBZ was coming in so well in PA that their IBOC hash was audible on 1020 and 1040. I was getting a bit of hash from WTIC sneaking onto 1090 too.
It's good to see that the pros are waking up to the fact that it's hard to control the hash and that nighttime IBOC only works very close to the actual tx site - to the detriment of everyone outside of that small radius.
What a shock! How could there be a problem? After all, we've been told repeatedly that:
1) The AM IBOC signal not only complies with, but exceeds the requirements of the emissions "mask".
2) Nighttime AM digital operation was heartily endorsed by the NAB, and they certainly know what's best for broadcasters.
3) The NRSC also gave their blessing!
4) The FCC authorized AM IBOC -- it's the Law of the Land!
5) Nobody listens to skywave any more (except DX-ers, but they don't count)
6) The train has already left the station.
7) Receivers are flying off the shelves and we need to be ready!
So this must be an unsubstantiated rumour, just more nonsense from those anti-HD crazies....
1) The AM IBOC signal not only complies with, but exceeds the requirements of the emissions "mask".
2) Nighttime AM digital operation was heartily endorsed by the NAB, and they certainly know what's best for broadcasters.
3) The NRSC also gave their blessing!
4) The FCC authorized AM IBOC -- it's the Law of the Land!
5) Nobody listens to skywave any more (except DX-ers, but they don't count)
6) The train has already left the station.
7) Receivers are flying off the shelves and we need to be ready!
So this must be an unsubstantiated rumour, just more nonsense from those anti-HD crazies....
This is a half-true rumor.
WJR has ceased all night-time IBOC for the past several nights and was off part of the day on Saturday and part of Sunday.
However,
WJR has resumed daytime IBOC only, and was still IBOC as of Noon today.
WJR has ceased all night-time IBOC for the past several nights and was off part of the day on Saturday and part of Sunday.
However,
WJR has resumed daytime IBOC only, and was still IBOC as of Noon today.
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paul vincent zecchino
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Isn't this a good start? Good riddance to bad cess. No combination of receivers, filters, modes, antennas and expertise eliminates iBLOC jamming. HD jams all, both in time and frequency. Isn't that what KronyKasters hoped would jam competitors ruin, listeners into submission, so as to take control of radio?
Some reports say iNiquity will perform further work on HD to reduce night jamming. Work? How can more work straighten that which is intrinsically bent?
What's wrong with them? TV is an appliance. Radio is personal. Listeners won't discard analog sets for HD. They say there's nothing in it for them. And yes, despite absurd, vehement, overblown denials, citizens know jamming when they hear it.
Radio is theater of the mind. That means, KronyKasters, hire back the talent you so callously fired during your gluttonous 90s buying binge. Perhaps they'll still have you. Air compelling programs. Listeners may yet return.
More 'work' on iBLOC? Let's look at it. HD falsely claims you can stuff fifty pounds of hissing, wet, doggy steam-dump into ten pound bags. Not only will bags not burst, they'll gain irresistable cachet. But the bags broke, didn't they? Consumers' carpets bear unsightly stains. They're miffed by your jamming, and they don't wonder why you persist.
Fix what? The HD gang pig-sawed digital 'wings' onto good clean analog signals. The problem wasn't modulation. It was content - or lack thereof. How to fix this mess? Chop off the digital pig-wings? Where will you put them?
Does the Slagheap of Radio History seems a fitting venue? Note to BigRadio: You used all means to gain your ends. As always, the inevitable occurred. Didn't many whom you so rudely dismissed, advise you thusly? You've had your "Top o' The World, Ma!" moment.
Turn it off. Cut your losses. Serve the public interest. Better to save face now, than linger in the public's ear, like a noisy dingbat barnfly, so as to earn their permanent apathy.
Dr. Paul Vincent Zecchino
Manasota Key, Florida
02 October, 2007
Some reports say iNiquity will perform further work on HD to reduce night jamming. Work? How can more work straighten that which is intrinsically bent?
What's wrong with them? TV is an appliance. Radio is personal. Listeners won't discard analog sets for HD. They say there's nothing in it for them. And yes, despite absurd, vehement, overblown denials, citizens know jamming when they hear it.
Radio is theater of the mind. That means, KronyKasters, hire back the talent you so callously fired during your gluttonous 90s buying binge. Perhaps they'll still have you. Air compelling programs. Listeners may yet return.
More 'work' on iBLOC? Let's look at it. HD falsely claims you can stuff fifty pounds of hissing, wet, doggy steam-dump into ten pound bags. Not only will bags not burst, they'll gain irresistable cachet. But the bags broke, didn't they? Consumers' carpets bear unsightly stains. They're miffed by your jamming, and they don't wonder why you persist.
Fix what? The HD gang pig-sawed digital 'wings' onto good clean analog signals. The problem wasn't modulation. It was content - or lack thereof. How to fix this mess? Chop off the digital pig-wings? Where will you put them?
Does the Slagheap of Radio History seems a fitting venue? Note to BigRadio: You used all means to gain your ends. As always, the inevitable occurred. Didn't many whom you so rudely dismissed, advise you thusly? You've had your "Top o' The World, Ma!" moment.
Turn it off. Cut your losses. Serve the public interest. Better to save face now, than linger in the public's ear, like a noisy dingbat barnfly, so as to earn their permanent apathy.
Dr. Paul Vincent Zecchino
Manasota Key, Florida
02 October, 2007
JohnnyElectron said:
The news release I saw said that Citadel is ordering HD off the air nighttime only. I don't see Citadel ordering any restrictions to using it during the daytime.
Every engineer I knew said repeatedly, before the 9/14 effective date for nighttime operation, that whether or not nighttime HD really works would be proven in the next few months, as more stations turn it on at night. The postings I've seen stating that many stations have it on intermittently shows me that they're experimenting. Citadel is most likely dealing with, at least, two of their stations engaging in "mutually assured destruction" (WJR and WABC on first adjacents to each other) at night, so this is not a complete surprise. It also wouldn't surprise me if CBS follows suit, seeing that they have three stations within 20 kHz of each other (WINS, KDKA and WBZ).
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Groove1670
Guest
So I guess the question is in 5 years when HD on FM goes mainstream or not(Just a guess) does AM just quietly fade into the sunset. Yes I love to DX too, but with more talk shows moving to FM, and AM quality getting worse, it is getting harder to be loyal to the AM band. For those who who are glad that nightime HD has been tabled, what solutions do you propose to clean up nighttime IBOC.
musiconradio.com said:
Well, yesterday we saw a sports AM in Detroit migrate to FM, so as this trend picks up, motivated by attracting more salable demos, AM will be left with religious, niche and ethnic stations.
If the night problems with HD are not resolved, many owners wo were hoping for an AM resurgence will be more motivated to sell and dedicate efforts to FM and newer media. It does not bode well for AM.
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paul vincent zecchino
Guest
Dear Clouseau -
I know what I wrote. It's putrid, churlish, adolescent, not to mention bilious, disjoint, rambling, and as well, crepuscular. Without fail, the drivel I belch-up never fails to horrify me upon subsequent readings. So, uh, why you parrot selected silly words?
Is that the best you can do? Aw, you need to get more fun out of life. Go HD!
'Within five years, people won't ask for an HD radio, sez an iBLOC cheasze, 'all radios will be HD'. Wow! Whew! Mustn't judge too harshly, though, at least he has it half right!
good health to all,
Dr. Zecchino
P.V. Zecchino, T.D.
Manasota Key, Florida
02 October, 2007
I know what I wrote. It's putrid, churlish, adolescent, not to mention bilious, disjoint, rambling, and as well, crepuscular. Without fail, the drivel I belch-up never fails to horrify me upon subsequent readings. So, uh, why you parrot selected silly words?
Is that the best you can do? Aw, you need to get more fun out of life. Go HD!
'Within five years, people won't ask for an HD radio, sez an iBLOC cheasze, 'all radios will be HD'. Wow! Whew! Mustn't judge too harshly, though, at least he has it half right!
good health to all,
Dr. Zecchino
P.V. Zecchino, T.D.
Manasota Key, Florida
02 October, 2007
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