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ABC Radio vs. CBS Radio

R

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Just recently, the CBS Radio Network lost two prominent affiliates to ABC News Radio: WTMJ Milwaukee and KSL Salt Lake City. Does anyone know of any plans for CBS to replace both stations? Or will those areas simply be without the CBS Radio Network, like many places around the nation?

Finally, what are the differences between ABC and CBS?
 
ABC was a pioneer in separate networks to serve various formatted-stations, and still does that today (originally Information for the full-service and News/Talkers fed at :00, Contemporary for Top 40s fed at :55, Entertainment for other A/C type stations fed at :30, and "FM" fed at :15, designed at first for beautiful music, but a lot of AOR stations picked it up. Nowadays, I like their flexible breaking news coverage (during a crisis, you can take "status reports" up to every 10 minutes, or long-form coverage. CBS radio, like CBS TV, comes off as a bit "old".<P ID="signature">______________
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ABC still has demographic networks but mostly what is different are the spots. All are branded as ABC News. There are not differences in content or presentation of newscasts listeners can identify.

CBS is one of Westwood One's Networks. Westwood puts different "brands" on their "networks" and the networks do differ some in the presentation of the newscasts. CBS Radio might just as well be called "The Westwood One Information Network."

Both CBS Radio News and ABC Radio News are separate operations from CBS News and ABC News, with their own staffs and managements. They have the right to use audio from CBS News or ABC News, and the right to use the brand name. They also use some TV talent (i.e., TV anchors read PM drive radio news to promote the TV evening news).

Radio network newscasts are a complete anachronism. Both CBS Radio and ABC Radio lag behind AP Radio in providing newsfeeds and text which stations can easily incorporate into local news broadcasts. CBS especially uses newsfeeds as the recycle bin for sound cuts generated for the TOH network news and feeds them on one of the network channels, just as they did in the 60's (no ability to go to a website, see what's available and download on demand).

I'm surprised more stations are not dumping CBS Radio.


> Just recently, the CBS Radio Network lost two prominent
> affiliates to ABC News Radio: WTMJ Milwaukee and KSL Salt
> Lake City. Does anyone know of any plans for CBS to replace
> both stations? Or will those areas simply be without the CBS
> Radio Network, like many places around the nation?
>
> Finally, what are the differences between ABC and CBS?
>
 
> ABC still has demographic networks but mostly what is
> different are the spots. All are branded as ABC News.
> There are not differences in content or presentation of
> newscasts listeners can identify.

This is largely true, though they tend to favor the Information network cast... as it is mainly carried by news/talk stations. For example, if there's a live shot on a big story, chances are the Information feed will get the first crack at it, and the other feeds will have to rely on a pre-recorded piece to start the cast.

Also, as far as I know, the Info network is the only one to occasionally open the cast with the live correspondent hit - even before the anchor starts. The reporter will lock out with something like, "now with more news, here's (anchor name)".

And the Info network has anchor Peter Jennings (or Charles Gibson or whoever's doing TV's "World News Tonight") opening the newscast at 5 PM ET each night, basically serving as anchor/promoter for the TV cast. Dan Rather used to do it on CBS News Radio, but I don't know if Bob Schieffer does now.

Basically, Info is ABC's "flagship" cast, and the other feeds are basically identical to each other. There's no appreciable difference between the "Direction", "Entertainment" and "Contemporary" feeds (among others!).

> CBS is one of Westwood One's Networks. Westwood puts
> different "brands" on their "networks" and the networks do
> differ some in the presentation of the newscasts. CBS Radio
> might just as well be called "The Westwood One Information
> Network."

That's actually not really true...CBS Radio News is a separate entity from the other Westwood One news products. It's run by CBS itself and uses live hits from its own reporters (like Peter King in Orlando, an online radio board regular who used to do stringing for them) and from the TV side when needed. CBS also runs much material from their affiliate stations and their large market all-news O&O's, which basically act as bureaus for them.

It's kind of semantics, since Westwood One is owned/run by Infinity/CBS/Viacom. But perhaps you're thinking of when WW1 started using a rebranded combined "NBC" and "Mutual" product. Since then, the old "Mutual" name died, and "NBC News Radio" got spun off into a different product. And today, Westwood One's "America in the Morning" (the Jim Bohannon morning news magazine which used to be a Mutual show) uses CBS Radio News correspondents.

> Both CBS Radio News and ABC Radio News are separate
> operations from CBS News and ABC News, with their own staffs
> and managements. They have the right to use audio from CBS
> News or ABC News, and the right to use the brand name. They
> also use some TV talent (i.e., TV anchors read PM drive
> radio news to promote the TV evening news).

Right...see above. Is Bob S. still doing the 5 PM anchor/promo slot for CBS?

> I'm surprised more stations are not dumping CBS Radio.

A lot of stations are, to be sure. The Milwaukee change was prompted by Clear Channel's WISN/1130 moving to FOX News Radio, opening up the ABC Info feed for use by WTMJ. Here in Northeast Ohio, I reported on my blog a while back that long-time CBS affiliate talk WNIR/100.1 Kent/Akron will be picking up ABC Info when WTAM/1100 Cleveland and WHLO/640 Akron (CC) pick up FOX News Radio in August.

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> > ABC still has demographic networks but mostly what is
> > different are the spots. All are branded as ABC News.
> > There are not differences in content or presentation of
> > newscasts listeners can identify.

> This is largely true, though they tend to favor the
> Information network cast... as it is mainly carried by
> news/talk stations. For example, if there's a live shot on
> a big story, chances are the Information feed will get the
> first crack at it, and the other feeds will have to rely on
> a pre-recorded piece to start the cast.

> And the Info network has anchor Peter Jennings (or Charles
> Gibson or whoever's doing TV's "World News Tonight") opening
> the newscast at 5 PM ET each night, basically serving as
> anchor/promoter for the TV cast. Dan Rather used to do it
> on CBS News Radio, but I don't know if Bob Schieffer does
> now.
>
> Basically, Info is ABC's "flagship" cast, and the other
> feeds are basically identical to each other. There's no
> appreciable difference between the "Direction",
> "Entertainment" and "Contemporary" feeds (among others!).

Unfortunately, where I am, the Info newscast isn't available, although some of them use different feeds of ABC News.


> > CBS is one of Westwood One's Networks. Westwood puts
> > different "brands" on their "networks" and the networks do
>
> > differ some in the presentation of the newscasts. CBS
> Radio
> > might just as well be called "The Westwood One Information
>
> > Network."
>
> That's actually not really true...CBS Radio News is a
> separate entity from the other Westwood One news products.
> It's run by CBS itself and uses live hits from its own
> reporters (like Peter King in Orlando, an online radio board
> regular who used to do stringing for them) and from the TV
> side when needed. CBS also runs much material from their
> affiliate stations and their large market all-news O&O's,
> which basically act as bureaus for them.
>
> It's kind of semantics, since Westwood One is owned/run by
> Infinity/CBS/Viacom. But perhaps you're thinking of when
> WW1 started using a rebranded combined "NBC" and "Mutual"
> product. Since then, the old "Mutual" name died, and "NBC
> News Radio" got spun off into a different product. And
> today, Westwood One's "America in the Morning" (the Jim
> Bohannon morning news magazine which used to be a Mutual
> show) uses CBS Radio News correspondents.

Funny. I always thought CBS and WW1 were one and the same. Guess I was wrong.


> > Both CBS Radio News and ABC Radio News are separate
> > operations from CBS News and ABC News, with their own
> staffs
> > and managements. They have the right to use audio from
> CBS
> > News or ABC News, and the right to use the brand name.
> They
> > also use some TV talent (i.e., TV anchors read PM drive
> > radio news to promote the TV evening news).

In many ways, many anchors at the local TV stations do some newsbriefs to promote the early evening news, too.

> > I'm surprised more stations are not dumping CBS Radio.
>
> A lot of stations are, to be sure. The Milwaukee change was
> prompted by Clear Channel's WISN/1130 moving to FOX News
> Radio, opening up the ABC Info feed for use by WTMJ. Here
> in Northeast Ohio, I reported on my blog a while back that
> long-time CBS affiliate talk WNIR/100.1 Kent/Akron will be
> picking up ABC Info when WTAM/1100 Cleveland and WHLO/640
> Akron (CC) pick up FOX News Radio in August.

A radio station in my area was a longtime CBS News Radio affiliate, too. Unfortunately, though, a format change last fall ended that affiliation. Still, anyway you look at it, With FOX News Radio flexing its muscle, especially being backed by Clear Channel, it seems as if CBS Radio could be left out in the cold before long, and go the way of Mutual.
 
The feed that starts with the ABC sounder but tends to have announcers like Bob Hardt, who sound a bit younger, probably are the "contemporary" casts. I don't know when they feed.<P ID="signature">______________
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Back in the "old days", CBS was definately known for not being flexible, and loading up your schedule with 5 minute shows like "Dear Abby" (you had to carry the show, not just the spot. They oncetried a young adult product called "RadioRadio" (though that term was never used on-air)..didn't last long.<P ID="signature">______________
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> Funny. I always thought CBS and WW1 were one and the same.
> Guess I was wrong.

Well, as I noted, they kind of "are", as it's all under the Viacom umbrella. (Technically, Viacom/Infinity owns a controlling part of WW1, and operates it under contract.)

But the CBS Radio News product is most assuredly a direct arm of the CBS News operation. If anything, their product now gets recycled elsewhere within WW1 (i.e. "America In The Morning", which used to use Mutual reporters back in the day).

> A radio station in my area was a longtime CBS News Radio
> affiliate, too. Unfortunately, though, a format change last
> fall ended that affiliation. Still, anyway you look at it,
> With FOX News Radio flexing its muscle, especially being
> backed by Clear Channel, it seems as if CBS Radio could be
> left out in the cold before long, and go the way of Mutual.

That won't happen for one reason - it's still an arm of CBS News, as noted. And CBS still operates many major market all-news stations which feed a lot of product to the network, and which use network actualities themselves. (As far as I know, none of the all-news major market CBS stations use the 6 minute TOH cast, but they all use the actualities.)

For this reason alone, it will continue to exist. But with major news/talk station operator Clear Channel mostly moving to FOX News Radio, CBS is losing a lot of clearances from CC competitors scrambling to pick up the more modern sounding ABC product.

This won't happen in some markets - i.e. New York, Los Angeles, San Francisco - where ABC already has its own large news/talk stations, and where CBS' own all-newsers are firmly entrenched.

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> > ABC still has demographic networks but mostly what is
> > different are the spots. All are branded as ABC News.
> > There are not differences in content or presentation of
> > newscasts listeners can identify.

> Basically, Info is ABC's "flagship" cast, and the other
> feeds are basically identical to each other. There's no
> appreciable difference between the "Direction",
> "Entertainment" and "Contemporary" feeds (among others!).

I have noticed that ABC-D (if this is correct) uses different anchors, plus even has a different news sounder from all the others. The ABC-D cast is also usually four minutes long from 6a-12a, and three minutes from 12a-6a, with one minutes of spots for all newscasts.

(From OA's perspective and my perspective, I have heard this ABC feed used by WAKR-Akron, WEOL-Elyria and WFUN-Ashtabula...)

Whatever feed ABC uses for their 24-hour sattelite formats (ABC-FM?) is also delivered differently, if only because of no spot loads on the three-minute cast, and no sounder at all.

When did ABC stop ID'ing the specific feed, as in "From the ABC Infomation Network, I'm Jon Belmont..."?

> > [...] "CBS Radio
> > might just as well be called "The Westwood One Information
> > Network." [...]

> [...] perhaps you're thinking of when
> WW1 started using a rebranded combined "NBC" and "Mutual"
> product. Since then, the old "Mutual" name died, and "NBC
> News Radio" got spun off into a different product. And
> today, Westwood One's "America in the Morning" (the Jim
> Bohannon morning news magazine which used to be a Mutual
> show) uses CBS Radio News correspondents.

Plus, Jimbo's talk show - inherited from Larry King's old MBS show, uses CBS correspondents whenever a major news story occurs.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but NBC has been fed by WW1 in two totally different forms:

First, there's the original "NBC Radio News" - replete with the old '82 era sounder - which is only fed from 5a-11a on weekdays in a five-minute cast. With the same CBS anchor, and just a simple "This is NBC Radio News" at :04:57 past. (CNN Radio News is fed the rest of the day.)

Second, there's "NBC News Radio," which replaced Fox News Radio when Fox parted company with WW1. It's fed from 6a-10p on weekdays in a one-minute cast.

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> > A radio station in my area was a longtime CBS News Radio
> > affiliate, too. Unfortunately, though, a format change last
> > fall ended that affiliation. Still, anyway you look at it,
> > With FOX News Radio flexing its muscle, especially being
> > backed by Clear Channel, it seems as if CBS Radio could be
> > left out in the cold before long, and go the way of Mutual.
>
> That won't happen for one reason - it's still an arm of CBS
> News, as noted. And CBS still operates many major market
> all-news stations which feed a lot of product to the
> network, and which use network actualities themselves. (As
> far as I know, none of the all-news major market CBS
> stations use the 6 minute TOH cast, but they all use the
> actualities.)

MBS was always more of a co-op than an actual network. They had key affils throughout the decades, and were successful with many programming (Larry King, for example) but never had any O&O's to back them up. CBS, via Infinity, does.

Though with the continued use of the MBS sattelite "chirps," and even the use of the old Mutual logo in the WW1 logo, why not just rename WW1 - I dunno - Mutual? ;)

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> > ABC still has demographic networks but mostly what is
> > different are the spots. All are branded as ABC News.
> > There are not differences in content or presentation of
> > newscasts listeners can identify.
>
> This is largely true, though they tend to favor the
> Information network cast... as it is mainly carried by
> news/talk stations. For example, if there's a live shot on
> a big story, chances are the Information feed will get the
> first crack at it, and the other feeds will have to rely on
> a pre-recorded piece to start the cast.

Occasionally there will be two reporters covering a big story with different angles, and one will start live on the I-Net (usually before the anchor: "From ABC News I'm Linda Albin in London") and the E-Net will start and toss it to someone like Anne Compton, then they will switch. But usually, the E-Net and the 60-second news cast will just do a recorded report.


> Also, as far as I know, the Info network is the only one to
> occasionally open the cast with the live correspondent hit -
> even before the anchor starts. The reporter will lock out
> with something like, "now with more news, here's (anchor
> name)".
Yup. CBS News also does this - most frequently with Dan Raviv and Peter Maer during the morning drive. They toss like this "For Dan Raviv, I'm Peter Maer in Washington, now with more news here's Christopher Glenn."



>
> And the Info network has anchor Peter Jennings (or Charles
> Gibson or whoever's doing TV's "World News Tonight") opening
> the newscast at 5 PM ET each night, basically serving as
> anchor/promoter for the TV cast. Dan Rather used to do it
> on CBS News Radio, but I don't know if Bob Schieffer does
> now.

I personally haven't heard Schieffer do it. Also, ABC isn't doing it any more, since Jennings went off the air. It seems on both ABC and CBS, that 5PM ET cast is being done with the on duty anchor instead of the TV person (Bill Whitney on CBS, Cheri Preston on ABC).



> Basically, Info is ABC's "flagship" cast, and the other
> feeds are basically identical to each other. There's no
> appreciable difference between the "Direction",
> "Entertainment" and "Contemporary" feeds (among others!).

Just different anchors...


> Right...see above. Is Bob S. still doing the 5 PM
> anchor/promo slot for CBS?

As above, I don't think so.
 
> > > ABC still has demographic networks but mostly what is
> > > different are the spots. All are branded as ABC News.
>
> > > There are not differences in content or presentation of
> > > newscasts listeners can identify.
>
> > Basically, Info is ABC's "flagship" cast, and the other
> > feeds are basically identical to each other. There's no
> > appreciable difference between the "Direction",
> > "Entertainment" and "Contemporary" feeds (among others!).
>
> I have noticed that ABC-D (if this is correct) uses
> different anchors, plus even has a different news sounder
> from all the others. The ABC-D cast is also usually four
> minutes long from 6a-12a, and three minutes from 12a-6a,
> with one minutes of spots for all newscasts.

That newscast is actually the ABC Entertainment newscast. It has the kinda "rock n roll" sounder and starts with "Here's the Latest From ABC News I'm..."

Regular anchors on weekdays are:
Morning: Michael Barr (M-W), Liz White (Th-F)
Midday: Bob Schmidt (M-Th), Karen Chase (F) - regular Fill-In, Pam Coulter
Evenings: Clarissa Douglass (M-Th, I think), can't remember who does Fridays, either Chuck Sivertson or Steve Taylor
Overnights: Gil Fox 3 days a week, and it was Marcia Salter the other 4 days, but I haven't heard here in a while, instead its been Dave Schreiber.

Weekends are kinda hard to track but:
Morning: Barr, White, or Joan Bennett
Middays: Lauren Rodgers
Evenings: Clarissa Douglass or Steve Taylor
Overnights: Marcia Salter (or, if she's gone, Dave Schreiber)




> First, there's the original "NBC Radio News" - replete with
> the old '82 era sounder - which is only fed from 5a-11a on
> weekdays in a five-minute cast. With the same CBS anchor,
> and just a simple "This is NBC Radio News" at :04:57 past.
> (CNN Radio News is fed the rest of the day.)

That NBC Radio News cast died about a year ago.
 
> The feed that starts with the ABC sounder but tends to have
> announcers like Bob Hardt,

Bob Hardt has been retired for a year and a half.


> who sound a bit younger, probably
> are the "contemporary" casts. I don't know when they feed.


I think these are the newscasts that are about 2 minutes long and they feed at :45 after the hour.

They have the Information Network sounder (though I've heard you can pick up the same feed, sans sounder) and start with a headline, then the anchor's name (Example: London Police Shoot Suspect I'm Larry Jacbos). They end with "This is ABC News"

They are anchored by the same folks who do the TOH newscast that is only a minute long.

Weekdays anchors for this are Richard Davies (mornings), Larry Jacobs (middays) and I think, Richard Cantu (evenings).

Overnights, this cast is done by the Entertainment network anchor (Gil Fox, Marcia Salter / Dave Schreiber).
 
> The feed that starts with the ABC sounder but tends to have
> announcers like Bob Hardt, who sound a bit younger, probably
> are the "contemporary" casts. I don't know when they feed.
>

Here's a run down of the feeds from ABC as per what was answered on this board when I asked two years ago or so.

:00 Information Network, 5 minutes, "From ABC News..."
:00 Entertainment Network, 4 Minutes (3 at night) "Here's the Latest From ABC News"
:00:30 Status Report, one minute, signs off with "Anchor Name, ABC News" Same sounder as bottom of the hour one minute newscast
:30:30 Status Report, one minute, signs off with "Anchor Name, ABC News" Anchored by Information Network Anchor.
:45 Two Minutes. ABC News I-Net Sounder. Starts with headline, then anchor name. ABC News identification at the sign off.

Are there others?
 
Mutual's O&O's

For its first couple of decades, Mutual was owned by its key stations, principally WOR, WGN and KHJ-Don Lee. In way, the network was the O&O not the stations. Then the network went through a series of owners: Hal Roach, RKO General, 3M and finally Amway. RKO General owned six stations which were in effect Mutual O&O's, including WOR and KHJ. When RKO General sold the network, the stations dropped Mutual. Towards the end, Mutual once again had an O&O when Amway also bought WHN 1050 New York (now WEPN).

>
> MBS was always more of a co-op than an actual network. They
> had key affils throughout the decades, and were successful
> with many programming (Larry King, for example) but never
> had any O&O's to back them up. CBS, via Infinity, does.
>
 
Re: Mutual's O&O's

> For its first couple of decades, Mutual was owned by its key
> stations, principally WOR, WGN and KHJ-Don Lee. In way, the
> network was the O&O not the stations. Then the network
> went through a series of owners: Hal Roach, RKO General, 3M
> and finally Amway. RKO General owned six stations which
> were in effect Mutual O&O's, including WOR and KHJ. When
> RKO General sold the network, the stations dropped Mutual.
> Towards the end, Mutual once again had an O&O when Amway
> also bought WHN 1050 New York (now WEPN).

Mutual also had an O&O in Chicago for awhile, I think during the same period as their ownership of WHN. They had 1000-WCFL. They tried a sort-of "lifestyle talk" format that didn't work, then changed to a MOR music format before selling it off.

>
> >
> > MBS was always more of a co-op than an actual network.
> They
> > had key affils throughout the decades, and were successful
>
> > with many programming (Larry King, for example) but never
> > had any O&O's to back them up. CBS, via Infinity, does.
> >
>
 
> > > > ABC still has demographic networks but mostly what is
> > > > different are the spots. All are branded as ABC
> News.
> >
> > > > There are not differences in content or presentation
> of
> > > > newscasts listeners can identify.
> >
> > > Basically, Info is ABC's "flagship" cast, and the other
> > > feeds are basically identical to each other. There's no
>
> > > appreciable difference between the "Direction",
> > > "Entertainment" and "Contemporary" feeds (among
> others!).
> >
> > I have noticed that ABC-D (if this is correct) uses
> > different anchors, plus even has a different news sounder
> > from all the others. The ABC-D cast is also usually four
> > minutes long from 6a-12a, and three minutes from 12a-6a,
> > with one minutes of spots for all newscasts.
>
> That newscast is actually the ABC Entertainment newscast. It
> has the kinda "rock n roll" sounder and starts with "Here's
> the Latest From ABC News I'm..."

Well, it also is the ABC Direction newscast. ABC-D affiliates have a choice of two newscasts... the TOH E-net cast without the sounder and with different spots... or the :50 newscast, which for the lack of a better name, I'll call ABC's third hourly newscast.

This third newscast is fed at :45 as a two-minute cast. This is apparently for the ABC Contemporary network. The same cast is then fed as a two-minute cast followed by one minute of spots at :50 for the ABC Direction network.

This third newscast is also used at the top of the hour on some of the ABC 24-hour satellite music formats. I think it's on the AC, country, and Stardust channels. I know it's not fed on the Real Country format, which covers the top of the hour break with music, but those affiliates can pick it up from another satellite channel if they want to carry it. On the satellite music feeds, this newscast has an optional third minute of news during the daytime, and of sports nights and weekends. The sports is done by the news anchor, not a seperate sports anchor.

I don't know how the one-minute newscasts fit into all of this, except the one for ABC Entertainment is fed at :57, done by the same anchor as the TOH E-net cast.


>
> Regular anchors on weekdays are:
> Morning: Michael Barr (M-W), Liz White (Th-F)
> Midday: Bob Schmidt (M-Th), Karen Chase (F) - regular
> Fill-In, Pam Coulter
> Evenings: Clarissa Douglass (M-Th, I think), can't remember
> who does Fridays, either Chuck Sivertson or Steve Taylor
> Overnights: Gil Fox 3 days a week, and it was Marcia Salter
> the other 4 days, but I haven't heard here in a while,
> instead its been Dave Schreiber.
>
> Weekends are kinda hard to track but:
> Morning: Barr, White, or Joan Bennett
> Middays: Lauren Rodgers
> Evenings: Clarissa Douglass or Steve Taylor
> Overnights: Marcia Salter (or, if she's gone, Dave
> Schreiber)
>
>
>
>
> > First, there's the original "NBC Radio News" - replete
> with
> > the old '82 era sounder - which is only fed from 5a-11a on
>
> > weekdays in a five-minute cast. With the same CBS anchor,
> > and just a simple "This is NBC Radio News" at :04:57 past.
>
> > (CNN Radio News is fed the rest of the day.)
>
> That NBC Radio News cast died about a year ago.
>
 
> That won't happen for one reason - it's still an arm of CBS
> News, as noted. And CBS still operates many major market
> all-news stations which feed a lot of product to the
> network, and which use network actualities themselves. (As
> far as I know, none of the all-news major market CBS
> stations use the 6 minute TOH cast, but they all use the
> actualities.)
>
> For this reason alone, it will continue to exist. But with
> major news/talk station operator Clear Channel mostly moving
> to FOX News Radio, CBS is losing a lot of clearances from CC
> competitors scrambling to pick up the more modern sounding
> ABC product.
>
> This won't happen in some markets - i.e. New York, Los
> Angeles, San Francisco - where ABC already has its own large
> news/talk stations, and where CBS' own all-newsers are
> firmly entrenched.

So, basically, unless you can manage to get powerhouse stations like WCBS New York, or WBBM Chicago at night over the air, or 24/7 online, or even be fortunate enough to get a local affiliate near you, you can't CBS News On The Hour, am I right?
 
Re: Mutual's O&O's

WCFL's time as a Mutual O&O was also during the Amway era (this is you..these are two of your friends who own businesses who can buy commercials. They get three more businesses to buy commercials....then everyone brings ten more advertisers to the seminar and rally..) I'm not sure what the format was during AMway's ownership, at one point WCFL had a talk format where they wouldn't stay with a topic longer than 20 minutes (9/11 happened..well, we have to move on!).<P ID="signature">______________
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Re: Mutual's O&O's

> WCFL's time as a Mutual O&O was also during the Amway era
> (this is you..these are two of your friends who own
> businesses who can buy commercials. They get three more
> businesses to buy commercials....then everyone brings ten
> more advertisers to the seminar and rally..) I'm not sure
> what the format was during AMway's ownership, at one point
> WCFL had a talk format where they wouldn't stay with a topic
> longer than 20 minutes (9/11 happened..well, we have to move
> on!).
>
Yes, that was the format Mutual tried on WCFL. They even intended to syndicate it somehow. Of course, it didn't quite get that far. I think WCFL's next owner may have been the one to turn it into a religious station.
 
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