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There are many sources for The Hot 100 of each year from last year, back to the fifties. Does anyone know of a source for AC Charts from the 70's and 80's?

Thanks,
Brian
 
> There are many sources for The Hot 100 of each year from
> last year, back to the fifties. Does anyone know of a
> source for AC Charts from the 70's and 80's?
>
> Thanks,
> Brian
>


R&R magazine if you can get or find them. (back Issues). I have a book I once bought back in 1990, that had AC charts dating back to '68. Bu that publication no longer exists. (Gaven Report).
 
At one time Joel Whitburn an AC book based on Billboard Mag, like his other publications. Don't know if its still available or not.

> > There are many sources for The Hot 100 of each year from
> > last year, back to the fifties. Does anyone know of a
> > source for AC Charts from the 70's and 80's?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Brian
> >
>
>
> R&R magazine if you can get or find them. (back Issues). I
> have a book I once bought back in 1990, that had AC charts
> dating back to '68. Bu that publication no longer exists.
> (Gaven Report).
>
 
> At one time Joel Whitburn an AC book based on Billboard Mag,
> like his other publications. Don't know if its still
> available or not.

It probably is available. I have the edition that's updated through 2001, which may be the most recent (1961-2001). For ordering: 1-800-827-9810 or www.recordresearch.com. (The chart took on the name 'Adult Contemporary' in 1979; previously called 'Easy Listening').
 
That sounds like what I need, Blue. Thanks a million. I will try to get it ordered tomorrow. Do you know what chart source they used?...Billboard probably!


Thanks again!
Brian
At one time Joel Whitburn an AC book based on Billboard
> Mag,
> > like his other publications. Don't know if its still
> > available or not.
>
> It probably is available. I have the edition that's updated
> through 2001, which may be the most recent (1961-2001). For
> ordering: 1-800-827-9810 or www.recordresearch.com. (The
> chart took on the name 'Adult Contemporary' in 1979;
> previously called 'Easy Listening').
>
 
> That sounds like what I need, Blue. Thanks a million. I
> will try to get it ordered tomorrow. Do you know what chart
> source they used?...Billboard probably!

Yes, Brian, it's Billboard. No reproductions of the charts, but it lists every song by artist as well as a cross reference to song titles. All number ones are listed in chronological order, and there's also a summary of Easy Listening songs by year for 1955-60 (before the debut of the Easy Listening charts), based on their Hot 100 position.

In the artist section there's also a reference to each song's highest position on the Hot 100. This is rather neat because you can see which charted Easy Listening hits never made the pop charts at all.
 
> Yes, Brian, it's Billboard. No reproductions of the charts,
> but it lists every song by artist as well as a cross
> reference to song titles. All number ones are listed in
> chronological order, and there's also a summary of Easy
> Listening songs by year for 1955-60 (before the debut of the
> Easy Listening charts), based on their Hot 100 position.
>
> In the artist section there's also a reference to each
> song's highest position on the Hot 100. This is rather neat
> because you can see which charted Easy Listening hits never
> made the pop charts at all.
>

What did Billboard base its AC/EZ listening charts on? Strictly airplay I'd imagine...while most of these songs were undoubtedly released as singles for broadcast use I doubt many stores carried them (nor was that demo likely to buy 45s in the first place). What did the stations reporting the airplay base their charts on?

I have the 1961-93 Whitburn AC book...interesting reading and a great reference but there's a lot of relatively high-charting stuff I've never heard of.
 
While air play was a major factor in deciding chart position, remember that many of these songs were played on both Top 40 and MOR/AC stations. A look at the WABC weekly surveys, posted on www.musicradio77.com shows, that a lot of Sinatra, Jack Jones, Robert Goulet, Andy Willams, Al Martino, etc. material was on the surveys, based on record sales only. Yes, most of the adults who liked this music bought albums. But many also bought 45's and some teens liked this music also. I've bought quite a few record collections over the years. Its amazing how many teens, especially females, bought music we now think of as easy listening. And it was the 45's they bought.


> > Yes, Brian, it's Billboard. No reproductions of the
> charts,
> > but it lists every song by artist as well as a cross
> > reference to song titles. All number ones are listed in
> > chronological order, and there's also a summary of Easy
> > Listening songs by year for 1955-60 (before the debut of
> the
> > Easy Listening charts), based on their Hot 100 position.
> >
> > In the artist section there's also a reference to each
> > song's highest position on the Hot 100. This is rather
> neat
> > because you can see which charted Easy Listening hits
> never
> > made the pop charts at all.
> >
>
> What did Billboard base its AC/EZ listening charts on?
> Strictly airplay I'd imagine...while most of these songs
> were undoubtedly released as singles for broadcast use I
> doubt many stores carried them (nor was that demo likely to
> buy 45s in the first place). What did the stations
> reporting the airplay base their charts on?
>
> I have the 1961-93 Whitburn AC book...interesting reading
> and a great reference but there's a lot of relatively
> high-charting stuff I've never heard of.
>
 
> While air play was a major factor in deciding chart
> position, remember that many of these songs were played on
> both Top 40 and MOR/AC stations. A look at the WABC weekly
> surveys, posted on www.musicradio77.com shows, that a lot of
> Sinatra, Jack Jones, Robert Goulet, Andy Willams, Al
> Martino, etc. material was on the surveys, based on record
> sales only. Yes, most of the adults who liked this music
> bought albums. But many also bought 45's and some teens
> liked this music also. I've bought quite a few record
> collections over the years. Its amazing how many teens,
> especially females, bought music we now think of as easy
> listening. And it was the 45's they bought.

Johnny Mathis might be a good example of this type of music popular with teenage girls who bought 45s. Later in the 70s, probably an artist like Bread.

> > What did Billboard base its AC/EZ listening charts on?
> > Strictly airplay I'd imagine...while most of these songs
> > were undoubtedly released as singles for broadcast use I
> > doubt many stores carried them (nor was that demo likely
> > to buy 45s in the first place). What did the stations
> > reporting the airplay base their charts on?


The book states the 7-in 45 vinyl single was the standard for the AC charts for 1961-89, but also mentions that the label & number are from the original commercial releases. Do radio stations get special promotional copies not available for sale?

Also mentioned in the updated book is the new chart methodology introduced in 1993. Stations are continuously monitored for airplay electronically by Broadcast Data Systems, a subsidiary of Billboard. So I guess before this, stations reported their own airplay, perhaps, based on listener requests.
 
> I have the 1961-93 Whitburn AC book...interesting reading
> and a great reference but there's a lot of relatively
> high-charting stuff I've never heard of.

Here's one: In November 1966 Margaret Whiting was No. 1 for 4 weeks with "The Wheel Of Hurt" (also hit No. 26 on the pop chart), but I have never heard of it. I wonder if it's one of those tunes I probably do know and just don't recognize the title.
 
> > While air play was a major factor in deciding chart
> > position, remember that many of these songs were played on
>
> > both Top 40 and MOR/AC stations. A look at the WABC
> weekly
> > surveys, posted on www.musicradio77.com shows, that a lot
> of
> > Sinatra, Jack Jones, Robert Goulet, Andy Willams, Al
> > Martino, etc. material was on the surveys, based on record
>
> > sales only. Yes, most of the adults who liked this music
> > bought albums. But many also bought 45's and some teens
> > liked this music also. I've bought quite a few record
> > collections over the years. Its amazing how many teens,
> > especially females, bought music we now think of as easy
> > listening. And it was the 45's they bought.
>
> Johnny Mathis might be a good example of this type of music
> popular with teenage girls who bought 45s. Later in the 70s,
> probably an artist like Bread.
>
> > > What did Billboard base its AC/EZ listening charts on?
> > > Strictly airplay I'd imagine...while most of these songs
>
> > > were undoubtedly released as singles for broadcast use I
>
> > > doubt many stores carried them (nor was that demo likely
>
> > > to buy 45s in the first place). What did the stations
> > > reporting the airplay base their charts on?
>
>
> The book states the 7-in 45 vinyl single was the standard
> for the AC charts for 1961-89, but also mentions that the
> label & number are from the original commercial releases. Do
> radio stations get special promotional copies not available
> for sale?
>
> Also mentioned in the updated book is the new chart
> methodology introduced in 1993. Stations are continuously
> monitored for airplay electronically by Broadcast Data
> Systems, a subsidiary of Billboard. So I guess before this,
> stations reported their own airplay, perhaps, based on
> listener requests.
>
It used to be that stations reported airplay and stores reported sales. Elvis had the longest running #1 song in the Rock era with "Don't Be Cruel/Houndog" until they began accurately measuring airplay and sales in the early 90s. Before long, everyone and their dog(or at least Boyz to Men)had beaten Presley's longevity record. At the same time, Paula Abdul, at the height of her career, while flying up the chart, with the new methodology, dropped like a stone and was basically never heard from again!(until recently)
 
I remember hearing the Whiting song a lot. It was mostly on the MOR stations, but I believe WAMS had it charted and in rotation during mid-days.

> > I have the 1961-93 Whitburn AC book...interesting reading
> > and a great reference but there's a lot of relatively
> > high-charting stuff I've never heard of.
>
> Here's one: In November 1966 Margaret Whiting was No. 1 for
> 4 weeks with "The Wheel Of Hurt" (also hit No. 26 on the pop
> chart), but I have never heard of it. I wonder if it's one
> of those tunes I probably do know and just don't recognize
> the title.
>
 
In many casses the radio stations received the "Promotional-Not For Sale" copies. Often, the same song (the one the record company wanted played) was on both sides of the 45. As the stereo 45 was born, and FM stations started to play pop hits, it was not unusual for one side of the 45 to be mono and other side stereo. This first came to my attention with the 5th Dimension's "Aquarius/Let the Sunshine In". One side was the edited mono version (about a minute shorter) the other side stereo and full length. Even with the old equipment we were using at WSER, the stereo version sounded better, with the bass more pronounced.

As for airplay, most stations sent their weekly Top 40 or Top 30 charts to the trade mags. It would be assumed that song #1 got the most airplay, song #2 a little less, etc. Even MOR/AC stations such as WNRK in the late 60's produced a weekly survey for this purpose.


> > While air play was a major factor in deciding chart
> > position, remember that many of these songs were played on
>
> > both Top 40 and MOR/AC stations. A look at the WABC
> weekly
> > surveys, posted on www.musicradio77.com shows, that a lot
> of
> > Sinatra, Jack Jones, Robert Goulet, Andy Willams, Al
> > Martino, etc. material was on the surveys, based on record
>
> > sales only. Yes, most of the adults who liked this music
> > bought albums. But many also bought 45's and some teens
> > liked this music also. I've bought quite a few record
> > collections over the years. Its amazing how many teens,
> > especially females, bought music we now think of as easy
> > listening. And it was the 45's they bought.
>
> Johnny Mathis might be a good example of this type of music
> popular with teenage girls who bought 45s. Later in the 70s,
> probably an artist like Bread.
>
> > > What did Billboard base its AC/EZ listening charts on?
> > > Strictly airplay I'd imagine...while most of these songs
>
> > > were undoubtedly released as singles for broadcast use I
>
> > > doubt many stores carried them (nor was that demo likely
>
> > > to buy 45s in the first place). What did the stations
> > > reporting the airplay base their charts on?
>
>
> The book states the 7-in 45 vinyl single was the standard
> for the AC charts for 1961-89, but also mentions that the
> label & number are from the original commercial releases. Do
> radio stations get special promotional copies not available
> for sale?
>
> Also mentioned in the updated book is the new chart
> methodology introduced in 1993. Stations are continuously
> monitored for airplay electronically by Broadcast Data
> Systems, a subsidiary of Billboard. So I guess before this,
> stations reported their own airplay, perhaps, based on
> listener requests.
>
 
> As for airplay, most stations sent their weekly Top 40 or
> Top 30 charts to the trade mags. It would be assumed that
> song #1 got the most airplay, song #2 a little less, etc.
> Even MOR/AC stations such as WNRK in the late 60's produced
> a weekly survey for this purpose.

I still have some of the old "Boss 30" surveys from WFIL. One thing I remember was that they seemed to be further ahead in time than the national charts. A song could be No. 1 locally and not hit the Top 5 on Casey Kasem's American Top 40 until a month or two later. Guess back in those days it took time to compile the various markets for the trade magazines.
 
> It used to be that stations reported airplay and stores
> reported sales. Elvis had the longest running #1 song in
> the Rock era with "Don't Be Cruel/Houndog" until they began
> accurately measuring airplay and sales in the early 90s.
> Before long, everyone and their dog(or at least Boyz to
> Men)had beaten Presley's longevity record. At the same
> time, Paula Abdul, at the height of her career, while flying
> up the chart, with the new methodology, dropped like a stone
> and was basically never heard from again!(until recently)

"Don't Be Cruel/Hound Dog" is an exception, but have you noticed the difference in the chart life of songs from 30 or 40 years ago compared to the '90s and today? Back then a song would race up the chart, have a stay at No. 1 for maybe a couple weeks, then drop off in 10 or 12 weeks. Then in the 90s you had Boyz II Men, Whitney Houston, Mariah Carey, the "Macarena" and "Smooth" spending over 12 weeks at No. 1. A song like "How Do I Live" by LeAnn Rimes spends well over a year on the chart. Another anomaly is the song which debuts at No. 1 such as Celine Dion's "My Heart Will Go On." I wonder how different the charts would had looked over the years had today's methodology been used back then.
 
> I
> wonder how different the charts would had looked over the
> years had today's methodology been used back then.
>

Especially when it came to songs that were never released as singles, but received lots of airplay as album cuts...many Beatles tunes, especially "Michelle" and several tracks from Sgt. Pepper along with "Stairway To Heaven".
 
> There are many sources for The Hot 100 of each year from
> last year, back to the fifties. Does anyone know of a
> source for AC Charts from the 70's and 80's?
>
> Thanks,
> Brian
>

Brian,

The best and definitive collection are the R&R charts from the 70's and 80's. I bought the complete package a few years back and it really came in handy quite a few times. Just get in touch with Radio and Records thru their website radioandrecords.com
 
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