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Accurian by Sangean?

Interesting, especially since the last few years "The Shack" has turned to Grundig for their shortwave radios (also excellent, just different. I LOVE my Eton E5, also the Grundig G5).
 
Mike Walker said:
Interesting, especially since the last few years "The Shack" has turned to Grundig for their shortwave radios (also excellent, just different. I LOVE my Eton E5, also the Grundig G5).

Ever since Sangean stopped making the excellent RS DX-440/Sangean ATS803A, their products have been Chinese-made junk. The Grundig/Tecsun/Eton line of products is especially poor quality, as a snippet from my Grundig S350 review on Amazon suggests:

"Million-Dollar Looks for $100"

"I opened up the back of the radio, before returning it to RadioShack - it was mostly hollow inside, very cheap, low grade plastic, and with 1960s-grade electronics. The front filter and band switches and tuning knob are flimsy. Because of the very cheap quality construction, the radio is very light-out-of-the-box, until the 4 "D" size batteries are inserted. The filters do a minimal job and only muffle the very good audio. The RF gain control can always be set on maximum, so it only acts like a DX/LOC switch. Even the newer model drifts off the tuned frequency, despite a kludged fix, that only causes ergonomic problems - once a frequency locks on, it still drifts, causing one to have to retune way past the desired frequency, to break the lock. The S350 has significant tuning backlash, which is partly responsible for the frequency drift. There are images all over the SW bands, being a cheap, single-conversion superhet. There are no station memories, so anytime the band selection changes, the radio has to be retuned to the desired frequency. The speaker grill is plastic, the digital readout is low-resolution, the antenna doesn't lock into place, and the carrying handle is cheap, smelly, imitation-leather. Don't be fooled by the "Grundig" name - it used to be made in Germany, but is now made in China, by Tecsun/Eton. Check out the Tecsun/Eton brand of this radio on Amazon (same junk), and show, "lowest rating first", also, look at the reviews for Grundig G2000A. Tecsun/Eton is becoming known for marketing jazzy, pretty radios that are poor quality/performers; they bought the rights to market products, under the "Grundig" name, hoping consumers will think they are still made in Germany. For just, as little as $30 more, one could purchase the Sony ICF-SW7600GR instead, with digital PLL tuning, dual-conversion, SSB, and synchronous detection; or, for $45 + $20 S&H, off Ebay.com, one could purchase a new Degen 1103 with digital PLL tuning, dual-conversion, and SSB (the S350 has none of the above)."

My excellent $10 Sony hand-held AM/FM radio is superior to the $100 Grundig/Tecsun/Eton S350 garbage:

http://www.radiointel.com/review-sonys10mk2.htm

What some of the experts at rec.radio.shortwave have to say about Sangean radios:

"Junk Radios from Radio Shack"

http://groups.google.com/group/rec....&q=sangean+junk&rnum=4&hl=en#ffa31cc2658effa5

"Sangean radios digital front panels mess up sooner than most other brand
name radios,,, or so I have read a few times before.It cost about fifty
dollars or more (plus shipping and handling charges) to have them
repaired.Only way I would ever own any Sangean radios (I have owned two
of them before,I sent that Sangean JUNK back to Bob Crane too) again
would be if somebody gave me one for free and then I would either sell
it or trade it for something I like better.Stay away from them Tiny
Tennas too,they dont work at all.
cuhulin"

http://groups.google.com/group/rec....&q=sangean+junk&rnum=2&hl=en#4b4ba6bac153b56d

Grundig/Tecsun/Eton products are also way over-priced, especially the E5, which lacks a sync/det - the far superior Sony ICF-7600GR is cheaper (can he had for $125, now), and also has sync/det:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/cu...088763-2025529?ie=UTF8&n=172282&s=electronics

This is how I know, that the RS Accurian HD, with its massive 2" speakers, is Chinese-made junk. ;D
 
Mike Walker said:
Interesting, especially since the last few years "The Shack" has turned to Grundig for their shortwave radios (also excellent, just different. I LOVE my Eton E5, also the Grundig G5).

Along with most of the SWLs in rec.radio.shortwave, I hate shopping at RS - as far as salesmen, there is always one dufuss that knows absolutely nothing, and one unscrupulous jerk, who tries to sell you something more expensive, that isn't really needed (they always try to sell me the more expensive, but not necessarily better, gold-tipped cables). RS has had massive cut-backs and one of their board members was arrested for child pornography charges this year. RS will be out of business in a few years.

"That Grundig was a Christmas gift from my kids as they know I like to listen to distant AM radio stations at night. I have an older S350 that's been dragged, dropped, banged around, etc, and they wanted to replace it for me. I think both they and I learned that Radio Shack leaves a lot to be desired as far as business ethics. As others suggested, I'll probably add a few bucks and go for something from Sony."

http://groups.google.com/group/rec....c8a98ff28b84d?lnk=raot&hl=en#dbbc8a98ff28b84d
 
Yeah, ignore Lawrence Magne's recommendations for both the S350, AND Eton E5. After all he's only reviewed shortwave radio equipment his whole life, and only writes the definitive annual roundup of shortwave equipment. 700WLW knows best. He always knows best. He is, after all, expert in all things.

The S350 has limitations. (Though most, like frequency drift, and lack of stereo to the headphone jack were addressed in the upgraded S350DL, which though much improved, is the same price). It's an inexpensive radio. It's also a single conversion design. Not perfect by any means. But it is a hot rod when it comes to sensitivity (at the cost of "ghost" images on occasion), and the sound quality is simply the best of any inexpensive shortwave portable. For program listening (as opposed to DXing) on shortwave and mediumwave AM, the S350DL is an amazing value.

The Eton E5 is made in the same Chinese factory as many of the BEST new shortwave portables. What 700WLW apparently doesn't know is that Sony, which certainly did make great shortwave radios once upon a time, has been (appreently) racing to eliminate all innovation from their range! Most of their more innovative radios are gone. The ICF-7600GR IS a great radio for shortwave and mediumwave dxing, but it's FM is leagues behind (in terms of sound quality, sensitivity, and selectivity) the Eton E5, and it's "kissing cousin" the Kaito KA1103. Synchronous detection IS lacking on all inexpensive portables (to my knowledge) these days other than the ICF-7600GR (or if you can still find it the ICF-SW77). It CAN be a useful feature under two specific sets of circumstances.

One: there is a strong, interfering signal on a first adjacent channel. Say the station you want to listen to is at 1240, but there's a station not too far away on 1230 which is interfering (which is exactly my situation here in Wilkes County, NC...with 1240 here in the county, and 1230 a few miles away in Newton NC). Turn on the sync detector on the Sony, then select upper sideband. Voila! The radio tunes to the upper sideband, ignoring the lower sideband closest to the interfering (1230) station. Unfortunately, these radios are often (perhaps usually) misaligned at the factory, so that the upper and lower sidebands, which should be identical to one another (though 180 degrees out of phase) sound quite different. On MOST SW7600GRs either the lower, or upper sideband is obviously "brighter" than the other. If the filter was exactly symmetrical, they would sound the same. Perhaps you can easily overlook this. I can't. It's annoying as hell to my ears!)

Two: Synchronous detection locks onto the carrier frequency of the incoming AM (or shortwave) signal, phase locks with it, then replaces it with an internally generated carrier. What is the purpose? There is a particular type of distortion that occurs when the carrier fades, but one or more sidebands doesn't. This distortion can be easily heard on distant stations at night during deep fades. Synchronous detection can greatly reduce this particular type of distortion.

Those are the two things sync detectors do. For most AM listening, in most circumstances (the filters are already rather narrow in most AM portables, so selectable sideband is of limited utility in the vast majority of cases), they make no particular difference. Rather than concentrate on features (useful though they may be, and coveted by "radio geeks") of limited utility (most of the time they make no difference), Eton/Kaito/Grundig decided instead to concentrate on what has always been Grundig's strong suit...SOUND QUALITY. Plug a GOOD pair of headphones into both the Eton E5 and the Sony ICF-SW7600GR, tune to a clean FM stereo station, and you'll quickly see the difference in performance. Bass response falls LIKE A ROCK below 100hz on the Sony, but is rock solid on the Eton/Grundig.

Sound quality on local AM stations (through headphones) is also far superior on the Eton/Grundig. THERE IS BASS RESPONSE on the E5. Local music stations in my area (WKSK 580 West Jefferson, NC...WKBC 800 North Wilkesboro, NC) sound fantastic on the Eton. WKSK, with their new transmitter, tower, and newly tweaked audio is very "fm-like", even given the limited high frequency bandwidth of this, and almost all shortwave portables.

The Eton E5 is quite demonstrably superior in terms of weak signal sensitivity to the Sony. As I write this, the time station on 15000khz is barely audible on my 7600GR, but really "pops" on my E5. Ditto several other weak signals I tried while writing this. So while the Sony has superior ability to deal with deep fades (due to the sync detector), it actually has less sensitivity to weak signals. Advantage: E5.

Don't trust my word? Do a Google search for reviews of the Eton E5 (Grundig G5). Read owner reviews at RadioIntel.com and other sites. A direct link to the RadioIntel review is here http://www.radiointel.com/review-etone5.htm

Here's a summary of their findings about sensitivity. Note they pretty much mirror my own, although my test this morning was apparently a bit more dramatic than theirs "Comparing it with my trusty Sony 7600GR, the E5 proved slightly more sensitive on AM & SW and noticeably more sensitive and selective on FM."

Again, this isn't to say that the SW7600GR is a bad radio. Just that considering it the be-all, and end-all of portable shortwave radios, and the E5 as "cheap junk" is, well, about as well considered as 700WLW's other assertions in these threads.

There was a time when "Chinese" meant "cheap". But that time passed years ago! If 700WLW kept up with radio technology, he'd know that the plant which manufactures the Eton/Grundig radios is now considered to produce among the best radios available. Such as the Eton E10, which is considered by many experts to be the best shortwave portable ever made at any price, beating many much more expensive tabletop communications receivers. It has XM, too. AND a synchronous detector which performs better than the Sony's. It costs 500 bucks, and while not inexpensive, is an incredible bargain.

If you're interested in the truth of what constitutes a quality shortwave portable, pick up a copy of Passport to Worldband Radio, subscribe to Monitoring Times, Popular Communications, or join one of the excellent newsgroups on the subject. You'll find popular opinion from experienced swls (shortwave listeners) and hams quite different from 700WLW's!

I shouldn't even point out that Sangean is considered to make the absolute BEST pocket am/fm stereo headphone radios in the world. In fact, their DT-200V is widely considered THE best pocket radio for AM reception. If you're a talk radio fan, this is what should be in your pocket. I quote from the review at RadioIntel.com "What's To Like?

The DT-200V provides excellent reception of FM stations and is surprisingly effective on AM. It is obvious that Sangean did not consider AM reception to be a mere afterthought as it seems to be on most small radios. Nulling of AM stations is extremely easy and the small size of the radio allows you to manipulate it for maximum reception or maximum null, depending on what you are trying to accomplish. The size and placement of the controls makes this an extremely easy radio to operate in the dark. I have found the DT-200V to be pretty hardy. It can take a lickin' and keep on .... well, you know. Battery life is good. I am pretty bad about turning on a radio, wandering off and then finding it still on hours later. For this reason, I really like the 60-minute auto shut off. This is a good radio to fall asleep to and the auto-shut off is important for that."

Don't take my word. Instead investigate for yourself. You'll find that the world of radio is usually exactly the opposite of what 700WLW would have us believe. But since his (world) is apparently flat, maybe he'll soon fall off it's edge! We can hope.
 
"Conversely, the Sony features a sync circuit which can sometimes reduce the effects of fading and can sometimes enhance adjacent channel selectivity substantially…that is still a strong point in favor of the Sony."

"News of the arrival of the Eton E5 was of great interest to me. After all, I had read that the design is based on the Degen DE1103 / Kaito KA1103. These radios offer a level of performance versus price formerly unheard of in a travel-sized portable SW/AM/FM receiver. The Degen version costs about $65 delivered from China, while the Kaito version goes for around $110 here in the US. The Eton E5 is priced at $169.95 and is generally available for about $150. I ordered mine from Eton directly as they weren't in stock at my favorite retailer…Eton themselves sell it for $150 so it would appear one would have to go out of their way to spend more for it."

http://www.radiointel.com/review-etone5.htm

Why spend $150 on the Eton E5, when you could have gotten the Degen DE1103 for $65 ? Same radio ! :D
 
I missed the part about going out of business. Could you quote that for me?

The article I read was written last February. It forcasted a downturn. That would be the downturn that bottomed out in May. You're behind the times I would suspect.

I'm not going to debate the future of Radio Shack with you. You're posting garbage. When called on it you try to find something that supports your wild claims. Wasting time finding documentation to refute your lunacy is no long worthwhile. Please DON"T quote me the part of where Radio Shack is going out of business. I'm sure you have some source somewhere that can say they are. Readers of the board may accept Radio Shack is going out of business in a few years if they like. After all 700wlw did said so.

Clouseau
 
clouseau said:
I missed the part about going out of business. Could you quote that for me?

The article I read was written last February. It forcasted a downturn. That would be the downturn that bottomed out in May. You're behind the times I would suspect.

I'm not going to debate the future of Radio Shack with you. You're posting garbage. When called on it you try to find something that supports your wild claims. Wasting time finding documentation to refute your lunacy is no long worthwhile. Please DON"T quote me the part of where Radio Shack is going out of business. I'm sure you have some source somewhere that can say they are. Readers of the board may accept Radio Shack is going out of business in a few years if they like. After all 700wlw did said so.

Clouseau

:D
 

The Eton E5 doesn't even have an USB/LSB mode for SSB reception - you should have spent only $65 for the Degen 1103 (same radio), because that is what the over-priced E5 is worth - as we see, the far-superior (and now less expensive) Sony ICF-SW7600GR has both USB/LSB, with sync/det:

"I went in for the sony 7600GR and have been very happy. The synchronous detection helps a lot. You can select between LSB and USB when doing synchronous detection. This helps you with those pesky neighbouring stations. If it is on the Lower freq. choose USB and vice versa."

http://www.amazon.com/Sony-ICF-SW7600GR-Shortwave-Receiver-Reception/dp/B00006IS4X
 
If you'll allow me to make my own buying decisions, 700WLW, my reason for choosing the Eton E5 was that it has a much easier to use interface than the Kaito KA1103. As I am legally blind, this is very important to me. Important enough to pay more for (though there are other differences...including 700 memory presets!) Go ahead, post some linke that shows I'm not really blind, or that simple ergonomics is less important than a sync detector for blind people. People who own both radios also say the E5 is SLIGHTLY superior in fm performance.

If you'd ever used an E5, you'd know that, like all radios without sync detection but with ssb, it uses a tunable bfo (beat frequency oscillator), which can be tuned by hand to replace the carrier just like a sync detector...with a technique called "ECS" or exalted carrier sideband. It works just fine, and also provides excellent SSB reception...on par with my Grundig Yacht Boy 400 (yes, I have lots of radios!)

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Mike Walker said:
If you'll allow me to make my own buying decisions, 700WLW, my reason for choosing the Eton E5 was that it has a much easier to use interface than the Kaito KA1103. As I am legally blind, this is very important to me. Important enough to pay more for (though there are other differences...including 700 memory presets!) Go ahead, post some linke that shows I'm not really blind, or that simple ergonomics is less important than a sync detector for blind people. People who own both radios also say the E5 is SLIGHTLY superior in fm performance.

If you'd ever used an E5, you'd know that, like all radios without sync detection but with ssb, it uses a tunable bfo (beat frequency oscillator), which can be tuned by hand to replace the carrier just like a sync detector...with a technique called "ECS" or exalted carrier sideband. It works just fine, and also provides excellent SSB reception...on par with my Grundig Yacht Boy 400 (yes, I have lots of radios!)

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[EDIT-inflammatory]

After my miserable experience with the S350, I went out and bought some inexpensive Radio Shack digital PLL radios. Well, I compared the digital radios and my digital car radio, with the much over-hyped $100 S350, and they all picked up the same stations. Then, I ran across the excellent $10 Sony ICF-S10MK2 hand-held, analog-tuned radio, and found that it gets the same stations, as the rest of the above mentioned radios (maybe even better, because I got KRLD Dallas, for a minute, from Maryland the other night, which I could never do with the other radios). Unlike the S350, the tuner is very tight and doesn't seem to drift. After $200 bucks, and a year later, my digital radios are sitting on the shelf, the now-returned S350 is probably still sitting on the shelf at RS, and my Sony sits in my pocket, ready to go. Sigh...

Sony rules ! ;)
 
clouseau said:
I missed the part about going out of business. Could you quote that for me?

The article I read was written last February. It forcasted a downturn. That would be the downturn that bottomed out in May. You're behind the times I would suspect.

I'm not going to debate the future of Radio Shack with you. You're posting garbage. When called on it you try to find something that supports your wild claims. Wasting time finding documentation to refute your lunacy is no long worthwhile. Please DON"T quote me the part of where Radio Shack is going out of business. I'm sure you have some source somewhere that can say they are. Readers of the board may accept Radio Shack is going out of business in a few years if they like. After all 700wlw did said so.

Clouseau

I can tell you it ain't pretty at Radio Shack. Likely it will end an isle Sears or Kmart from what I'm hearing...

Remember you heard it first from Audiophile...
 
One thing I agree with 700WLW on. I enjoy good analog tuned radios. Remember the old Panasonic RF-2200 (I believe was the model number, with the rotatable AM antenna)? What a sweet radio. Perhaps the most sensitive AM radio ever sold. It WAS what the CC Radio claims to be! I still hate myself for selling mine.

I got a digital radio (Yacht Boy 400), and thought I didn't need it anymore. STUPID, stupid, stupid! The Yacht Boy still works great, though.

I bought a less deluxe Panasonic at a hamfest a few years ago, and while it works fine, it's just not in the same league. There was a Magnavox/Phillips pocket model that I got in the early 90s that worked very well for years, had great am reception, and even sounded quite nice in stereo on fm (with bass boost available through headphones). Anyone searching for a really nice, analog multiband portable might want to investigate the Kaito KA1107 http://universal-radio.com/catalog/portable/1107.html

It has very wide coverage, an AM band that's not only sensitive, but SOUNDS GOOD, truly nice FM Stereo through the hedphone jack (with bass boost if your 'phones are anemic), and it's CHEAP! It even comes with rechargable batteries, TWO external wire antennas, a cloth carrying pouch, and (pretty bad) earphones (which you'll want to replace with something that actually sounds good!)

Analog is fun, for sure. And I still enjoy it more for dxing. The perfect compromise is analog tuning with a digital display. While the S350 displays frequency accurately (and drift has been conquered on later units), it's much too "fiddly" for dxing. Want some (cheap) fun in your pocket? "Gopher" the Kaito KA1107.
 
I think I'll buy one of those little Sonys just out of curiosity. What have I got to lose? Too bad it doesn't cover expanded band. But there aren't any in my area (I enjoy dxing for them, however).
 
Mike Walker said:
One thing I agree with 700WLW on. I enjoy good analog tuned radios. Remember the old Panasonic RF-2200 (I believe was the model number, with the rotatable AM antenna)? What a sweet radio. Perhaps the most sensitive AM radio ever sold. It WAS what the CC Radio claims to be! I still hate myself for selling mine.

I got a digital radio (Yacht Boy 400), and thought I didn't need it anymore. STUPID, stupid, stupid! The Yacht Boy still works great, though.

I bought a less deluxe Panasonic at a hamfest a few years ago, and while it works fine, it's just not in the same league. There was a Magnavox/Phillips pocket model that I got in the early 90s that worked very well for years, had great am reception, and even sounded quite nice in stereo on fm (with bass boost available through headphones). Anyone searching for a really nice, analog multiband portable might want to investigate the Kaito KA1107 http://universal-radio.com/catalog/portable/1107.html

It has very wide coverage, an AM band that's not only sensitive, but SOUNDS GOOD, truly nice FM Stereo through the hedphone jack (with bass boost if your 'phones are anemic), and it's CHEAP! It even comes with rechargable batteries, TWO external wire antennas, a cloth carrying pouch, and (pretty bad) earphones (which you'll want to replace with something that actually sounds good!)

Analog is fun, for sure. And I still enjoy it more for dxing. The perfect compromise is analog tuning with a digital display. While the S350 displays frequency accurately (and drift has been conquered on later units), it's much too "fiddly" for dxing. Want some (cheap) fun in your pocket? "Gopher" the Kaito KA1107.

As I pointed out in my review, even the newer S350s drift, but to a lesser extent - I know, I had one of the newer models. What was so annoying, is that it would lock on, then a bit later, drift - the KHZ light would start blinking, then the backlight would come on (very annoying, when trying to go to sleep). God, I hated that radio ! It was always a race, with the locking mechanism - if you tuned too slowly, it would lock on, then you would have to fight to get it off the locked station. Yes, analog is definately more fun, once you learn the stations. I've had it with digital ! Definately, try the Sony - it is only worth two trips to McDonalds !

I did forget to mention the other cool feature with the S350 - when you get to the end of the broadcast band, and force the tuner a bit, there would be the whip-lash affect, unlike the Sony, which I believe, uses some sort of tuning strip.
 
My S350 (a late model, just before the DL was introduced) doesn't exhibit much drift at all. In fact, after it's been left on a half hour or so (and the internal temperature stabilizes), there is very close to zero drift. But the tuning "lock" IS a mixed blessing. It tries to "lock" before you've reached the frequency you're after. So if you're trying for 580khz, and it locks on 583, the only option is to give the dial a quick turn to unlock it, then tune back until you get it right. A PAIN! Once locked, though, it stays that way.

Early models got the unfortunate nickname of "S Three Drifty". Probably deservedly so.

Of course every analog radio drifts. Most just don't have a digital frequency counter to show you how much!

The S350 id definitely not for everybody. You either love it or hate it. It IS very sensitive to weak shortwave and am signals, and does sound quite nice (with bass and treble controls, plus dual bandwidth). But if you don't like the way it tunes, you probably never will. I don't mind it so much. I can live with "quirks". Radios have 'em. People too. It's part of what makes us charming. I enjoy my S350 so much, I've considered buying an S350DL. Even with the same speaker and amplifier, it should sound slightly better as the slightly larger cabinet will allow ever so slightly better bass response. Not enough of a difference to spring for now. But in time I will. In time I seem to buy most every popular radio out there. I'm a radio junkie!

Now, about those Sangean HD radios! As they say around these parts "them sure looks purty!"
 
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