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Adobe 5.5
- Thread starter salchris
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How kind of you to put a soapbox down and invite comments.
Full Disclosure: I am an audio editing FREAK! If you go down into some artsy-fartsy part of a city and find the area where people sell antique furniture, you might find two craftsmen with shops where they will prepare your newly purchased furniture item or picture fram for you house. One craftsman gives your antique a quick, light sand-blasting and spray paint it with some funky current day tint of paint. The other shop owner has a wall full of fine tools. He will start by completely disassembling your piece of furnture, disolving all the glue that held it together, give it a fine sanding, and then reassemble your little jewel using varnish that lets the fine wood show through, but maybe give a nod to the contemporary times with interesting shades or color.
Both shops offer a legitimate service. By personality and skill-sets, when it comes to audio, I have a can of glue solvent and a wall full of well chosen hand tools. I disassemble a sound clip and then reassemble it. I don't use a lot of automation.
O.K. Now you understand my biases. I downloaded a trial copy of CS5.5 and part of it thrills me and part of it leaves me gasping for air. I think they have improved the quality of some of the processes like noise reduction. They have some added features (purchased plug-ins?) like the "tube style compression" that probably make it worth the price of an upgrade.
But the new interface leaves me gasping for air!!!! (So does the current versions of Microsoft Office. My wrinkled, ageing brain just cannot gracefully make the conversion from classic menus to what I think they are calling "The Ribbon" screen display. If you are younger, grew up on video games, the Ribbon may tickle your pallet very well.
Here is where we are as I see it: The market for pure-play serious audio software is a small, small market. Here is my evidence: Go to Barnes and Noble and check out the books. How many books are available, on the shelves, ready to carry out the door, after you thumb through them to see if the author speaks in a way you understand. HUNDREDS!!! Books on still photo editing? HUNDREDS!!! And how many books will you find on how to seriously edit audio? How many books do you find on AUDITION? The audio market is flea-sized in comparison.
The business managers at Adobe are not stupid. They are making a program out of Audition that a video editing person can love. And many of the video people are like my furniture shop that does a light sandblasting and sprays a quick coat of color that hides the blemishes and scars in the wood. They will love the increased automation that CS5.5 offers.
By the way, my Audition 2.0 will swallow up a video and let met do marvelous (but highly MANUAL) adjustment to the video audio. So that part of CS5.5 is not radically new.
Come back and ask me in six months if I decided to buy the CS5.5 upgrade.... and have I learned how to the damn thing to let me do the hand crafting of audio that is my style. I suspect the answer will be: Yup. I bought it. And after six months I am confident that some day I will become comfortable with getting the program to do what *** I *** want it to do... not what some video nut thinks is cool. ;D
FULL DISCLOSURE: In recent months I decided to learn to edit video. Who knows. In six months I may have switched sides and joined the enemy camp.
BOTTOM LINE: As of today I don't like CS5.5 but I am willing to try to understand the beast and hopefully become fond of it.
Full Disclosure: I am an audio editing FREAK! If you go down into some artsy-fartsy part of a city and find the area where people sell antique furniture, you might find two craftsmen with shops where they will prepare your newly purchased furniture item or picture fram for you house. One craftsman gives your antique a quick, light sand-blasting and spray paint it with some funky current day tint of paint. The other shop owner has a wall full of fine tools. He will start by completely disassembling your piece of furnture, disolving all the glue that held it together, give it a fine sanding, and then reassemble your little jewel using varnish that lets the fine wood show through, but maybe give a nod to the contemporary times with interesting shades or color.
Both shops offer a legitimate service. By personality and skill-sets, when it comes to audio, I have a can of glue solvent and a wall full of well chosen hand tools. I disassemble a sound clip and then reassemble it. I don't use a lot of automation.
O.K. Now you understand my biases. I downloaded a trial copy of CS5.5 and part of it thrills me and part of it leaves me gasping for air. I think they have improved the quality of some of the processes like noise reduction. They have some added features (purchased plug-ins?) like the "tube style compression" that probably make it worth the price of an upgrade.
But the new interface leaves me gasping for air!!!! (So does the current versions of Microsoft Office. My wrinkled, ageing brain just cannot gracefully make the conversion from classic menus to what I think they are calling "The Ribbon" screen display. If you are younger, grew up on video games, the Ribbon may tickle your pallet very well.
Here is where we are as I see it: The market for pure-play serious audio software is a small, small market. Here is my evidence: Go to Barnes and Noble and check out the books. How many books are available, on the shelves, ready to carry out the door, after you thumb through them to see if the author speaks in a way you understand. HUNDREDS!!! Books on still photo editing? HUNDREDS!!! And how many books will you find on how to seriously edit audio? How many books do you find on AUDITION? The audio market is flea-sized in comparison.
The business managers at Adobe are not stupid. They are making a program out of Audition that a video editing person can love. And many of the video people are like my furniture shop that does a light sandblasting and sprays a quick coat of color that hides the blemishes and scars in the wood. They will love the increased automation that CS5.5 offers.
By the way, my Audition 2.0 will swallow up a video and let met do marvelous (but highly MANUAL) adjustment to the video audio. So that part of CS5.5 is not radically new.
Come back and ask me in six months if I decided to buy the CS5.5 upgrade.... and have I learned how to the damn thing to let me do the hand crafting of audio that is my style. I suspect the answer will be: Yup. I bought it. And after six months I am confident that some day I will become comfortable with getting the program to do what *** I *** want it to do... not what some video nut thinks is cool. ;D
FULL DISCLOSURE: In recent months I decided to learn to edit video. Who knows. In six months I may have switched sides and joined the enemy camp.
BOTTOM LINE: As of today I don't like CS5.5 but I am willing to try to understand the beast and hopefully become fond of it.
Delicious analogy, thanks for the insight, having been weened on AA1.0 (which I still use faithfully) I explored 3.0 (hated it), now that I too have succumbed to the video editing/producing plateau of my career, I found this of great interest. You have provided me with a great insight on how it may aggravate, disturb, confound and annoy me, but I will probably fall victim and accept it, like you when I can master its idiosyncrasies and the most annoying tiny little icons that suddenly appear everywhere in the mixing/production windows. Thanks for the commentary 8)
Larson
Larson
what is it that you don't like about 3.0? i jumped from 1.5 to 3 when i moved to image Alice in denver and have found it incredibly powerful compared to it's predecessor (2.0 which i hated). however, i recently moved the home studio from AA to PT8 and i'm starting to utilize some things from PT in AA, which is probably why i'm enjoying audition a whole heap more.
as far as AA5 goes, i'm not a super big fan of it. the interface is throwing me off and i'm not too happy about the fact that some of the old standard plugs have been taken away. for me, it looks too much like mac's soundtrack which definitely bothers me. as a pure audio editing system, i'll pass and stick to 3.0 (or protools). like GRC said, the guys at adobe are definitely thinking long term integrating audition with their video editor, so i can't be mad at that.
as far as AA5 goes, i'm not a super big fan of it. the interface is throwing me off and i'm not too happy about the fact that some of the old standard plugs have been taken away. for me, it looks too much like mac's soundtrack which definitely bothers me. as a pure audio editing system, i'll pass and stick to 3.0 (or protools). like GRC said, the guys at adobe are definitely thinking long term integrating audition with their video editor, so i can't be mad at that.
Well one of my MACs with PT 8 on it took a dump, and after fooling around with a new internal drive putting a new system disc together and having Pro Tools decide to not play well with any of it..I dumped it. Too much time spent trying to figure out what version of PT would interact with what version of OSX..then which MBox was compatable with what version of PT which you had to upgrade and replace but be sure and uninstall first, which you can not do because the MAC thinks that something is using the Digidesign hardware..etc..etc..gaaaaaaaaah!
So I took down a fresh dual core Win XP machine and decided to spring for a hundred clams and get an upgrade version of CS5.5.
Really pretty interesting. It works well. Not one problem downloading the program and registering it..tossed in a Delta 44 sound card..and I was in business! It is a little different, it seems, for the sake of being different. But it looks as though it will be a winner for Adobe in as much as it does a beautiful job of importing a video file, and allowing me to revoice a spot, and sync the VO to the exact frame so the new VO can be literally dropped in at the post house. Very handy. And smoother than previous versions of AA. And I still like AA 3.0.1 as a good to go to editing tool.
A few things are either missing or I just can't find it. Biggest one so far.. Where is the "generate tones" utility? That was really useful in marking tracks approved by the client etc.
Also is it possible to add VST effect plugins in the same way as other versions?
Btw the AA 5.5 "effects rack" is cool the way it is laid out on this version. You can literally browse and insert effects in any order and adjust them in a cascading fashion..then save the entire rack for future use...naming it "car dealer effects" "concert spot effects" etc.
A long weekend of working with this system should make me a believer.
So I took down a fresh dual core Win XP machine and decided to spring for a hundred clams and get an upgrade version of CS5.5.
Really pretty interesting. It works well. Not one problem downloading the program and registering it..tossed in a Delta 44 sound card..and I was in business! It is a little different, it seems, for the sake of being different. But it looks as though it will be a winner for Adobe in as much as it does a beautiful job of importing a video file, and allowing me to revoice a spot, and sync the VO to the exact frame so the new VO can be literally dropped in at the post house. Very handy. And smoother than previous versions of AA. And I still like AA 3.0.1 as a good to go to editing tool.
A few things are either missing or I just can't find it. Biggest one so far.. Where is the "generate tones" utility? That was really useful in marking tracks approved by the client etc.
Also is it possible to add VST effect plugins in the same way as other versions?
Btw the AA 5.5 "effects rack" is cool the way it is laid out on this version. You can literally browse and insert effects in any order and adjust them in a cascading fashion..then save the entire rack for future use...naming it "car dealer effects" "concert spot effects" etc.
A long weekend of working with this system should make me a believer.
Week 2..not liking it much..finding too many features that were taken out, and not enough familiarity with the "new" stuff yet to be totally sold on it.
Switch to Vegas. Just sayin'.
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