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Adult Standards for new KTRB?

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With the slow, painful death of KABL, could it be a smart void to fill for Pappas to program new Bay-Area based 860am with adult standards format?

Any word on if there's progress on the move from Modesto?
 
> With the slow, painful death of KABL, could it be a smart
> void to fill for Pappas to program new Bay-Area based 860am
> with adult standards format?
>
> Any word on if there's progress on the move from Modesto?
>

I thought the whole point of moving was that he wanted to become a player in the right-wing news/talk wars?
 
> > With the slow, painful death of KABL, could it be a smart
> > void to fill for Pappas to program new Bay-Area based
> 860am
> > with adult standards format?
> >
> > Any word on if there's progress on the move from Modesto?
> >
>
> I thought the whole point of moving was that he wanted to
> become a player in the right-wing news/talk wars?
>
Nope News/Talk maybe, English..mmmm nope...guess again.

Bill H.
 
> With the slow, painful death of KABL, could it be a smart
> void to fill for Pappas to program new Bay-Area based 860am
> with adult standards format?
>
> Any word on if there's progress on the move from Modesto?
>
I think KTRB will be a talker. I don't know how many talk stations can survive here.
 
Re: Adult Standards on Clear Channel HD

Couldn't Clear Channel put Adult Standards on one of their HD streams? That would make seniors happy.
 
Re: Adult Standards on Clear Channel HD

How many seniors have HD radios? They're still figuring out this new FM thing.

> Couldn't Clear Channel put Adult Standards on one of their
> HD streams? That would make seniors happy.
>
 
Re: Adult Standards on Clear Channel HD?

paulsecic wrote:

> Couldn't Clear Channel put Adult Standards on one of their
> HD streams? That would make seniors happy.


On the whole, would your "average senior" be any more tech savvy about operating an HD radio than they would, say, listening to the audio stream on the Internet, or tuning it in on satellite radio?

My mom, who would fit squarely in that "average senior" demographic has DirecTV with hundreds of channels to watch. What does she tune to? Channels 2, 4, 5, 7, 9 and 11, just like back in the Sixties.

I'm making an educated guess here, but I'm sure that if she had her choice of listening to a plain old everyday AM station playing Adult Standards, she'd rather do that than try to figure out how to find the station using an HD radio.

DJ
 
Re: Speaking of HD Radio...

> How many seniors have HD radios? They're still figuring out
> this new FM thing.


I agree. Here's Ibiquity's list of stations already on the air or licensed to go HD in California, along with those that will multicast:

California HD Radio Licensed Stations

I count 20 stations in San Francisco/San Jose on the list. Only two aren't on the air yet (KLOK/1170 and KMZT/1510), and not one of the twenty will be multicasting.

KCBS is the only other HD station listed on AM, and the only Infinity station in the Bay Area listed in HD -- does it make that much of a difference to hear the news in FM-like quality?
 
Re: Adult Standards on Clear Channel HD?

I'm 57 and I have Dishnetwork & I watch a variety of channels. I hardly watch locals. Why? Nothing but garbage, ET, The Insider. A current affair. I've got HBO and don't waste my time watching nonsense as above! Teach your mother how to use her remote, I'm sure she'd enjoy it.

take care
 
Re: Speaking of HD Radio...

Yes but how many have different content. Different content on HD Side will help. No body will listen to the same content!


How many seniors have HD radios? They're still figuring
> out
> > this new FM thing.
>
>
> I agree. Here's Ibiquity's list of stations already on the
> air or licensed to go HD in California, along with those
> that will multicast:
>
> California HD Radio Licensed Stations
>
> I count 20 stations in San Francisco/San Jose on the list.
> Only two aren't on the air yet (KLOK/1170 and KMZT/1510),
> and not one of the twenty will be multicasting.
>
> KCBS is the only other HD station listed on AM, and the only
> Infinity station in the Bay Area listed in HD -- does it
> make that much of a difference to hear the news in FM-like
> quality?
>
 
Re: Adult Standards on Clear Channel HD?

> I'm 57 and I have Dishnetwork & I watch a variety of
> channels. I hardly watch locals. Why? Nothing but
> garbage, ET, The Insider. A current affair. I've got HBO
> and don't waste my time watching nonsense as above! Teach
> your mother how to use her remote, I'm sure she'd enjoy it.

My mother is just shy of 90 and has cable. She watches more Discovery Channel, Fox Movie Channel, and Turner Classic Movies than anything else.

Only watches the locals for news.
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Re: Speaking of HD Radio...

> Yes but how many have different content. Different content
> on HD Side will help. No body will listen to the same
> content!

AM HD is only, at present, capable of one content stream. The way the sytem works, AM or FM, is to have the radio fall back to analog if the digital signal drops out. This means most stations will just offer HD as an improved, digital option for clearer reception and, supposedly better quality.

The second FM channel would have different programming if and when it is offered by stations. I would assume this would come after the marketplace sees affordable HD radios.
 
Re: Speaking of HD Radio...

Mr. Eduardo wrote:

> The second FM channel would have different programming if
> and when it is offered by stations. I would assume this
> would come after the marketplace sees affordable HD radios.


My knowledge of HD radio is (as with most things) not very deep. If a station does not intend to "multicast," do I assume correctly that they will only transmit their "legacy" signal (for standard radios) and an HD signal (for HD-capable radios), with both signals generally carrying the same broadcast feed?

In the same vein, only stations with multicast capability would be able to air (for example) Adult Standards, Oldies and Country on the same HD signal.

On the other hand, the HD signal will also carry an "info feed" that shows song title and artist, station info, etc., much like XM and Sirius do (but more than basic RDS does).

Correct?

DJ
 
Re: Speaking of HD Radio...

> Mr. Eduardo wrote:
>
> > The second FM channel would have different programming if
> > and when it is offered by stations. I would assume this
> > would come after the marketplace sees affordable HD
> radios.
>
>
> My knowledge of HD radio is (as with most things) not very
> deep. If a station does not intend to "multicast," do I
> assume correctly that they will only transmit their "legacy"
> signal (for standard radios) and an HD signal (for
> HD-capable radios), with both signals generally carrying the
> same broadcast feed?
>
> In the same vein, only stations with multicast capability
> would be able to air (for example) Adult Standards, Oldies
> and Country on the same HD signal.
>
> On the other hand, the HD signal will also carry an "info
> feed" that shows song title and artist, station info, etc.,
> much like XM and Sirius do (but more than basic RDS does).

I do not think you can do three separate audio sources, as my understanding is that one of them is the digital version of the analog signal's audio... and the whole system was designed to have automatic fallback to analog if the digital has a drop out.

I could not find anything about defeating the fallback feature at the iBiquity site, so am assuming that one HD channel must be the same content as the analog carrier.

Yes, the HD channel or channels can do texting and such... remember, RDS was not designed for texting; it was designed to automatically find the same station on multiple channels in accordance with the European model of being on dozens up to hundreds of frequencies with the same programming in a specific nation.
 
Re: Speaking of HD Radio...

> I do not think you can do three separate audio sources, as
> my understanding is that one of them is the digital version
> of the analog signal's audio... and the whole system was
> designed to have automatic fallback to analog if the digital
> has a drop out.

I am installing an HD importer in an existing HD radio system on Monday. We are starting out with one extra stereo program service, and can add up to three, but we will see how bad the companded audio sounds first before we decide how many extra program channels to add.

> I could not find anything about defeating the fallback
> feature at the iBiquity site, so am assuming that one HD
> channel must be the same content as the analog carrier.

The Kenwood Car radios can be set to receive analog only, HD only, SAC (multicast) only, or do an automatic fall back to analog as the HD signal falls apart. Which it does after being only slightly outside of the typical 70 dbu FM contour. The FCC R&O states that stations must do a simulcast of the analog broadcast on the main HD system, and the SAC (multicast system has no such requirement.


> Yes, the HD channel or channels can do texting and such...
> remember, RDS was not designed for texting; it was designed
> to automatically find the same station on multiple channels
> in accordance with the European model of being on dozens up
> to hundreds of frequencies with the same programming in a
> specific nation.

The RDS system can scroll mesages of any nature, and can be set to scroll many different mesages, streamed from a computer. That is the text feature of RDS. The new feature that is being used by many is creating dynamic messages on the ID portion of the RDS signal, which is what most car radios show when tuning into an RDS-equipped station. Some felt that it was a distraction for drivers, but it is common in Europe, and now fairly common here in the US.

What drives me crazy is the "feature" of the HD radios I have that disconnect the RDS when you install the HD tuner box. It's an either/or thing. I would rather have both.

So far, that is the way it is..
 
Re: Speaking of HD Radio...

Seniors won't buy these. Much too complicated.

I do not think you can do three separate audio sources, as
>
> > my understanding is that one of them is the digital
> version
> > of the analog signal's audio... and the whole system was
> > designed to have automatic fallback to analog if the
> digital
> > has a drop out.
>
> I am installing an HD importer in an existing HD radio
> system on Monday. We are starting out with one extra stereo
> program service, and can add up to three, but we will see
> how bad the companded audio sounds first before we decide
> how many extra program channels to add.
>
> > I could not find anything about defeating the fallback
> > feature at the iBiquity site, so am assuming that one HD
> > channel must be the same content as the analog carrier.
>
> The Kenwood Car radios can be set to receive analog only, HD
> only, SAC (multicast) only, or do an automatic fall back to
> analog as the HD signal falls apart. Which it does after
> being only slightly outside of the typical 70 dbu FM
> contour. The FCC R&O states that stations must do a
> simulcast of the analog broadcast on the main HD system, and
> the SAC (multicast system has no such requirement.
>
>
> > Yes, the HD channel or channels can do texting and such...
>
> > remember, RDS was not designed for texting; it was
> designed
> > to automatically find the same station on multiple
> channels
> > in accordance with the European model of being on dozens
> up
> > to hundreds of frequencies with the same programming in a
> > specific nation.
>
> The RDS system can scroll mesages of any nature, and can be
> set to scroll many different mesages, streamed from a
> computer. That is the text feature of RDS. The new feature
> that is being used by many is creating dynamic messages on
> the ID portion of the RDS signal, which is what most car
> radios show when tuning into an RDS-equipped station. Some
> felt that it was a distraction for drivers, but it is common
> in Europe, and now fairly common here in the US.
>
> What drives me crazy is the "feature" of the HD radios I
> have that disconnect the RDS when you install the HD tuner
> box. It's an either/or thing. I would rather have both.
>
> So far, that is the way it is..
>
 
> With the slow, painful death of KABL, could it be a smart
> void to fill for Pappas to program new Bay-Area based 860am
> with adult standards format?
>
> Any word on if there's progress on the move from Modesto?


I listen to KABL on line and wondering is CC gonna dump the format?
Painful death? I think they do a nice job with the format. I also listen
to Fabulous 690 XETRA that CC LMA's and I think it's going away in Sept.
when XETRA is sold. Say it isn't so!
>
 
> I listen to KABL on line and wondering is CC gonna dump the
> format?
> Painful death? I think they do a nice job with the format. I
> also listen
> to Fabulous 690 XETRA that CC LMA's and I think it's going
> away in Sept.
> when XETRA is sold. Say it isn't so!
> >

FYI, LA already has a new standards station (in anticpation of XETRA's demise), Saul's oldies station has switched:

http://www.oldies.am
 
> > I listen to KABL on line and wondering is CC gonna dump
> the
> > format?
> > Painful death? I think they do a nice job with the format.
> I
> > also listen
> > to Fabulous 690 XETRA that CC LMA's and I think it's going
>
> > away in Sept.
> > when XETRA is sold. Say it isn't so!
> > >
>
> FYI, LA already has a new standards station (in anticpation
> of XETRA's demise), Saul's oldies station has switched:
>
> http://www.oldies.am

Thanks for the link!
>
 
> I
> also listen
> to Fabulous 690 XETRA that CC LMA's and I think it's going
> away in Sept.
> when XETRA is sold. Say it isn't so!

It's so. The new LMA holders are planning Spanish language talk.
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