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Advertisers dropping Glenn Beck's FNC show like flies

Re: Let's get a few things straight here......

trojanrabbit said:
BRNout said:
raptusregaliter said:
That's pretty easy to do since Fox News is on almost every "basic" cable/satellite package while you have to go up a notch (and pay more) for MSNBC. When MSNBC shows start beating Fox News, then you've got a story.
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That's not true of most cable systems - if it's the case with yours, then it's an anomaly. In the past 3 years, I've lived in 3 states and traveled to dozens and if there was FNC on basic cable, MSNBC and CNN were right next to it. In fact, I have yet to visit a place that doesn't have MSNBC on the same tier as CNN and Fox News. So your statement/assumption is a non-'factor'.

If it were truly an issue, believe me it would be all over the liberal media about how unfair things are to MSNBC. No way - with NBC Universal's clout, big cable providers are muscled into carrying not only MSNBC but CNBC and sometimes tertiary networks like Shop NBC and CNBC International.

willcail said:
The only Fox "News" show that shows up in the cable networks ratings is Bill-0.
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Another inaccurate statement. Fox's entire evening beats everyone else in the cable news racket: http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/ratings/. I will give you 1/2 credit for accurately naming their #1 show, however.
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While Comcast may not be "most" systems, it is definitely not an "anomaly"

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09184/981453-67.stm

No, it's not just Pittsburgh, it's so in the Boston area as well. As well as Portland, OR. And Denver. And CT....
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Yes - but as the article states - it's not some plot to silence liberal (MSNBC) hosts, it's just a greedy marketing ploy by Comcast.
Simply stated - if they migrate more popular channels to the digital tier, more people will decide to pony up the extra $$ for digital. Over the next year or two, many more cable subscribers will buy high-def TVs requiring that they "upgrade" to the digital tier anyway - making this entire controversy moot.
 
Re: Let's get a few things straight here......

trojanrabbit said:
While Comcast may not be "most" systems, it is definitely not an "anomaly"

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09184/981453-67.stm

No, it's not just Pittsburgh, it's so in the Boston area as well. As well as Portland, OR. And Denver. And CT....
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Comcast Atlanta...MSNBC never was on analog. They are going all-digital...but MSNBC will still be on a higher tier.

Comcast Rome, GA...MSNBC is not available. Most smaller systems...complete with digital cable...no MSNBC. However, the former municipal-owned system I had carried MSNBC in analog (Comcast eventually took it over).
 
Didn't Beck do a comedy skit in which he poisons Nancy Pelosi? Do you think anybody on MSNBC ever did that skit about a "conservative" figure? If so , I missed it. As far as I am concerned, Jon Stewart and Colbert are as much hard news as anybody on FOX and maybe the best of all of them. They get political figures to drop their guard because they think it is just a joke. Betsy McCall's performance on the Daily Show is a good example.
 
MsMusicRadio said:
Didn't Beck do a comedy skit in which he poisons Nancy Pelosi? Do you think anybody on MSNBC ever did that skit about a "conservative" figure? If so , I missed it. As far as I am concerned, Jon Stewart and Colbert are as much hard news as anybody on FOX and maybe the best of all of them. They get political figures to drop their guard because they think it is just a joke. Betsy McCall's performance on the Daily Show is a good example.
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I believe you're referring to Betsy McCaughey - the "patient advocate" who reportedly started the controversy about the "death panels" in the Obama health care bill. I don't know if her problem is that she "dropped her guard" so much is that she's a crackpot - scattered and not very credible. When Stewart decides to get serious and take somebody on - he's very good at it - such as his take-down of Jim Cramer some months ago.
 
the topic & posts were started by Liberal seminar bloggers, hired by ACORN.
 
Re: Let's get a few things straight here......

BRNout said:
While Beck definitely has his moments of overwrought dramatics, he's no crank. Yes, he does come off as loony sometimes - I'll give you that. But that's just schtick. His opinions are usually pretty well researched and perhaps a lot of you should do more listening to Beck himself as opposed to what MSNBC is saying about him. In fact, he accurately predicted the stock crash, credit freeze-up and resulting recession more than 6 months before it happened. Got to give credit where it's due on that one because, at the time, I wondered if he was nuts. He was not, actually.

His TV show also gets excellent ratings, particularly when you consider that it's on at 5 ET, which is mid-afternoon for most of the US. Yet he sometimes outdraws Olbermann in raw numbers. He's never said anything "hateful" or illegal. Disagreeing with the president isn't "hateful" - it's an American's right to complain. The left did it loudly for the eight years between 2001 and 2009. And, upon reading the stories about these advertisers, I am sickened by the concept that a leftist political organization (which is what it is) can put a little squeeze on them and they cry like little French girls. Perhaps it is they who should be boycotted for doing what they can to stifle the free exchange of ideas and opinions.
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One thing is for sure, given his increasing (not decreasing) ratings for FNC, Beck isn't going anywhere. New advertisers will replace the old ones - as ratings are ultimately what does the talking.
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This is a smear campaign and most of his core audience is aware of it and many are pretty pissed about it.
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Some smear campaign. In one breath the President is an anti-White racist, and less than a minute later: "I'm not saying he hates White people..." Yes, that is the brilliance you're defending.

People are entitled to free speech under the First Amendment. People are not entitled to a TV platform funded by advertising. So this notion that Color of Change is working to 'stifle the free exchange of ideas and opinions' is just as stupid as someone who openly daydreams of poisoning a U.S. congresswoman.
 
The Neilsen top 15 cable ratings that appears in the McNewspaper (USA Today) have a libreal bias? I don't think so.

Then listen to a former drug addict with his damage brain for news isn't very smart. Remember now drug abuse kills brain cells.

Then watching any cable "news" network will make one dumb. To me MSNBC, FOX, and CNN are the same and don't do any real reporting. Then I don't waste my time or money on worthless cable. I have a Mac Mini connected to a HDTV via the DVI-HDMI cable. If I want to watch something cable related I can just go to the cable show website or hulu and watch on my 32 inch LCD HDTV. The quality is just as good as cable.
 
Re: Let's get a few things straight here......

trojanrabbit said:
While Comcast may not be "most" systems, it is definitely not an "anomaly"

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09184/981453-67.stm

No, it's not just Pittsburgh, it's so in the Boston area as well. As well as Portland, OR. And Denver. And CT....
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Well, you're right about Portland, Oregon - which is strange because that's a very liberal area and I would imagine that the locals would be bitching up a storm over that.

However, when it comes to your other examples - your comment is not so correct. Comcast Boston has FNC on channel 34 and MSNBC on 37. Comcast in the Nashua area (where I'm originally from) is similar. There is a single system out of Westford, MA which originally added MSNBC to digital and which has kept CNBC on basic. It was always that way. However, they seem to be the exception in that market and not the rule.

MSNBC is on expanded basic tier channel 65 in metro Denver just a few channels above Fox News. It's on expanded basic in central CT (channel 63 on the Hartford system). And MSNBC is on expanded basic in metro Philly - just like Fox News and CNN. I can go on and on.

So, you're clearly exaggerating here. About 5 minutes of homework on my part easily revealed that.

Again, if it was a significant handicap, the MSNBC/Olbermann boosters would be out there on a daily basis complaining about how unfair it is. That has not been the case.
 
Whatever the opinions of people who started the thread or are talking about the boycott, Ad Age did an interesting take on the broader questions of the perils of advertising on political talk programs: http://adage.com/mediaworks/article?article_id=138597

The Beck situation provides the hook, but it gets into the bigger questions...like is it worth playing in that space at all as an advertiser if you have to try not to tick off one side or the other.
 
jal41 said:
UPDATE: Now up to 33 sponsors dropping Beck. One (UPS) has dropped Fixed Noise altogether.
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Hmmm, doesn't UPS advertise with Fox Sports? Interesting...

btw Right now, one of the top ten "in the news" terms is "Glenn Beck". Must be doing something right, I guess...

As far as MSNBC carriage: Some may recall a deal Cablevision signed with the new cable network then known as America's Talking. It was for exclusive carriage in areas where Cablevision competes with other systems. I guess part of the deal is that on the Cablevision channel lineups, at least in New York City, MSNBC is the very first (non-shopping) basic cable channel on the list, at 23. Then there's CNBC and CNN, followed by Fox News at channel 26.
 
A point about MSNBC vs Fox News coverage, Comcast Garden State had MSNBC months if not years before Fox News. I would call Comcast every day to request FNC. Now FNC kills all other news stations. In the Comcast system where I live now, ALL analog cable except the local broadcast stations will be gone within 30 days. Comcast is moving to digital only to compete with Verizon and DirecTv with the # of HD channels. Verizon has been digital only for awhile now. They don't even have the local broadcast channels on analog cable anymore. By the way, both Verizon and DirecTv carry the 2 channels really close to each other with the news/business channels.
 
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