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AGain the predictions are right on.

Re: Again the predictions are right on.

Where in this article does it say that HD is failing? If anything, it's showing that a manufacturer is offering an update to one of it's products after hearing customer feedback. Personally, I like the HDT-1 but it could have used a few features that are apparently going to be offered in the newer model. Now if I could only get the damned clock to turn off....
 
Sarcasm my friend. Locking analog only mode is a good start in the redesign of the receiver. I am still hesitant about a portable from a reception POV.
 
R.F. Burns said:
http://digital-am-fm.com/2007/05/sangean_announces_hdt1x_compon.html


HD radio fails and Sangean reports that another HD radio will be released next year as well as a portable as soon as the new HD chip is released.

Just because Sangean issued a new model to CORRECT the defective HDT-1 does not mean HD products are rolling off the assembly lines because consumers are buying them, they're doing what any manufacturer would do (to gain some honor) given 95% of the consumer complaints and returns, the other 5% are the radio geeks that profess these tuners are 'top notch' as they are. LOL

Radiopilot
 
R.F. Burns said:
http://digital-am-fm.com/2007/05/sangean_announces_hdt1x_compon.html

HD radio fails and Sangean reports that another HD radio will be released next year as well as a portable as soon as the new HD chip is released.

"Sangean is Here to Answer Questions"

"Hello all. I work for Sangean, maker of the mostly popular HDT-1 and the not as popular HDR-1 as well as other world famous radios. I have been active on other message boards including AVS Forum and found this board and figured I like the quality and knowledge of its members so I am here to help answer any questions you may have about our products, HD Radio, and other technologies. Feel free to ask and I will feel free to answer. I will be as honest and blunt as I am allowed. Thanks for your support of Sangean and HD Radio. . . We can use it."

http://tinyurl.com/26u2bf

"Why I like HD Radio Technology"

"You have all seen me posting up here in the shameless attempt to get people to buy my companies radios, but this post is to see whay you like about HD Radio. We have seen many place reasons they don't like it, but for those of you who do, tell the public why you like it! Is it the sound, the extra programing, or simply that it is new technology."

http://tinyurl.com/yvovt8

A childish, desperate attempt to shill HD Radio to the public - just like this thread, an act of desperation.
 
Nobody who owns an HDT-1 considers it defective!

Analog lock is useful perhaps .02 percent of the time when the signal won't lock, but bops back and forth from digital to analog. After thousands of hours of listening, I've only heard this a couple of times...and then very briefly, during bad weather, on VERY distant stations.
 
Funny, I've begged for it on my Accurian. It's in and out quite often on AM.. and with WABC in NY on Rewound... with the signal a second or two out of sync on Monday during Rewound, it was time to whip out the Zenith Transoceanic (aka a real radio) that had no issues. Actually, the whole presentation sounded better in analog than in HD... and you can be sure the audio quality on the Zenith surpassed the Accurian in HD just because the audio stage in the Zenith itself blows the Accurian out of the water.
 
wgliradio said:
Funny, I've begged for it on my Accurian. It's in and out quite often on AM.. and with WABC in NY on Rewound... with the signal a second or two out of sync on Monday during Rewound, it was time to whip out the Zenith Transoceanic (aka a real radio) that had no issues. Actually, the whole presentation sounded better in analog than in HD... and you can be sure the audio quality on the Zenith surpassed the Accurian in HD just because the audio stage in the Zenith itself blows the Accurian out of the water.

Ok, someone tell ABC to get their #$%#%#%$ together. Can't a 50KW get it right? It's part of the licensing agreement also.

How about it?

I hate to see stuff like this. It actually works relatively well if you set it up right. Rewound on WABC would be cool in stereo.


Clouseau
 
clouseau said:
wgliradio said:
Funny, I've begged for it on my Accurian. It's in and out quite often on AM.. and with WABC in NY on Rewound... with the signal a second or two out of sync on Monday during Rewound, it was time to whip out the Zenith Transoceanic (aka a real radio) that had no issues. Actually, the whole presentation sounded better in analog than in HD... and you can be sure the audio quality on the Zenith surpassed the Accurian in HD just because the audio stage in the Zenith itself blows the Accurian out of the water.

Ok, someone tell ABC to get their #$%#%#%$ together. Can't a 50KW get it right? It's part of the licensing agreement also.

How about it?

I hate to see stuff like this. It actually works relatively well if you set it up right. Rewound on WABC would be cool in stereo.


Clouseau

A little angry are we today?

Maybe you, Mike, and RFBurns with all your collective broadcast experience can go fix WABC and get their ACT together instead of cussing them on these boards!

DEFECTIVE HD RADIO = 15 years too late!

Radiopilot
 
clouseau said:
wgliradio said:
Funny, I've begged for it on my Accurian. It's in and out quite often on AM.. and with WABC in NY on Rewound... with the signal a second or two out of sync on Monday during Rewound, it was time to whip out the Zenith Transoceanic (aka a real radio) that had no issues. Actually, the whole presentation sounded better in analog than in HD... and you can be sure the audio quality on the Zenith surpassed the Accurian in HD just because the audio stage in the Zenith itself blows the Accurian out of the water.

Ok, someone tell ABC to get their #$%#%#%$ together. Can't a 50KW get it right? It's part of the licensing agreement also.

How about it?

I hate to see stuff like this. It actually works relatively well if you set it up right. Rewound on WABC would be cool in stereo.


Clouseau

I met the rewound producer last year and asked him about perhaps producing a HD broadcast. I guess the feeling is that the original was in stereo so they had no immediate plans. What you can hear when WABC does rewound in HD is the segues between the aircheck and the song. All of a sudden the high end increases when the aircheck ends and the song begins. The problem with Rewound is that they play way too many commercials. If top 40 radio had so many spots it would have failed. I can post some Rewound recordd in HD is anyone is truly interested to hear what it sounded like.
 
R.F. Burns said:
I met the rewound producer last year and asked him about perhaps producing a HD broadcast. I guess the feeling is that the original was in stereo so they had no immediate plans.

According to Peter Kanze (co-producer of Rewound) and Rob Frankel (who restores the airchecks), they're all produced in mono.

R.F. Burns said:
What you can hear when WABC does rewound in HD is the segues between the aircheck and the song. All of a sudden the high end increases when the aircheck ends and the song begins.

Not universally. A lot of the airchecks they get are from studio-quality feeds (including all the airchecks donated by the jocks and other WABC staffers, and about six hours worth donated by me), from the studio skimmer or the in-house feeds (which were pre-processing and pre-reverb), so there is no quality loss when the songs are edited back in.

R.F. Burns said:
The problem with Rewound is that they play way too many commercials. If top 40 radio had so many spots it would have failed.

WABC, in its music-radio days, had just as many commercials as they have now, but they were distributed differently throughout the hour, and the programming rules were such that you didn't notice the commercials nearly as much. Eighteen commercial minutes an hour was not uncommon during morning drive. Also, they had a rule that every commercial had to be "adjacent to program matter," meaning that you could not segue more than two commercials without some non-commercial programming element running (even if it was just a station jingle). I will say, however, that commercials were far more inventive and memorable in those days (just about every New Yorker over the age of 40 remembers, and can probably even sing, the Palisades Amusement Park song, the Schafer and Rhinegold beer jingles and the Castro Convertible ad). To tickle your memory: http://www.musicradio77.com/images/palsdspcm.ram (requires Real Player)
 
radiopilot said:
Ok, someone tell ABC to get their #$%#%#%$ together. Can't a 50KW get it right? It's part of the licensing agreement also.

How about it?

I hate to see stuff like this. It actually works relatively well if you set it up right. Rewound on WABC would be cool in stereo.


Clouseau

A little angry are we today?

Not overall. I just hate when things are setup incorrectly and therfore sound BAD.

Maybe you, Mike, and RFBurns with all your collective broadcast experience can go fix WABC and get their ACT together instead of cussing them on these boards!

I would be willing to bet we could fix that problem relatively easily. I would also suggest that WABC/WPLJ has people on staff who are MORE than qualified to correct this. I would bet they do NOT need my help. :)

Should I take from your post that you think broadcast experience is a bad thing?

DEFECTIVE HD RADIO = 15 years too late!

Still hoping if you post it often enough someone will believe it, huh?

Clouseau
 
"According to Peter Kanze (co-producer of Rewound) and Rob Frankel (who restores the airchecks), they're all produced in mono."



Yes I misstyped I meant that they are all produced in mono. I met Peter Kanze at the WOR tower demolition event earlier this year.




" A lot of the airchecks they get are from studio-quality feeds (including all the airchecks donated by the jocks and other WABC staffers, and about six hours worth donated by me), from the studio skimmer or the in-house feeds (which were pre-processing and pre-reverb), so there is no quality loss when the songs are edited back in."

Believe it or not years ago I made a trip to Lodi and the engineer at the facility let us hear the incoming feed which was sanse reverb. AT the time (using Harris MW 50's) they introduced the reverb at the transmiter site. Not only can I hear Rewound on the air, I have access and have recorded past Rewound broadcasts over a broadcast line onto Dat. Normally aitrchecks of that vintage were recorddd on a soundscribe or metrotech which ran at very slow speeds and so the quality was marginal at best. I'm now going to transfer some of this years rewound which I recorded from a Sangean HD radio on dat to my hard drive. I'll upload a demo for you to hear what I am talking about.





"WABC, in its music-radio days, had just as many commercials as they have now, but they were distributed differently throughout the hour, and the programming rules were such that you didn't notice the commercials nearly as much. Eighteen commercial minutes an hour was not uncommon during morning drive. Also, they had a rule that every commercial had to be "adjacent to program matter," meaning that you could not segue more than two commercials without some non-commercial programming element running (even if it was just a station jingle). I will say, however, that commercials were far more inventive and memorable in those days (just about every New Yorker over the age of 40 remembers, and can probably even sing, the Palisades Amusement Park song, the Schafer and Rhinegold beer jingles and the Castro Convertible ad). "

They didn't run anywhere near as many spots years ago. There were limits which the FCC set that have since been losened to the detriment of the broadcaster. As to how many it slips my mind but I will get a number if you need specifics. I know that in the past 15 years or so, the numbers of spots per hour has gotten way out of hand. When I used to do a nationally syndicated music program (Top 30 over 3 hours) we had 8 minutes of spots per hour. Now there are 8 minutes of commecial content per 20 minutes. As far as memorable spots are concerned, every generation has memories as they age. To us it might have been Palisades park, or Robert Hall. Time will tell what this generation will remember. When you run 10 minute stop sets it just becomes a wall of noise.
 
R.F. Burns said:
Here's a short Rewound in HD sample. If you listen closely you'll hear the top end disappear as the Ingram aircheck segs to and from the music. This isn't apparent on the typical non wide band AM radio. The recording was made using the Sangean HDT-1 tuner and a Tascam DA 40 dat machine.


http://download.yousendit.com/B80559C27A873E9D

Music sounds nice. Maybe someday we'll have AM music again.

Clouseau
 
R.F. Burns said:
There were limits which the FCC set that have since been losened to the detriment of the broadcaster. As to how many it slips my mind but I will get a number if you need specifics.

A common misconception, but there were no FCC-imposed limits. The NAB advised an 18-minutes-per-hour limit, and the FCC would frown on a station which ran more than that...but there were no specific rules against it. The idea was that the marketplace would self-regulate stations' commercial loads...and we're now seeing the result. As I stated, WABC ran some very heavy commercial loads, but the way they were programmed you'd probably not realize it.
 
R.F. Burns said:
Here's a short Rewound in HD sample. If you listen closely you'll hear the top end disappear as the Ingram aircheck segs to and from the music. This isn't apparent on the typical non wide band AM radio. The recording was made using the Sangean HDT-1 tuner and a Tascam DA 40 dat machine.

Yes, I've heard this one before. That was an aircheck made from a wideband tuner...much better than average, but considering that Rob Frankel reconstructs the music from CD copies, there will be a noticeable quality difference unless the original aircheck was made from the console or the studio switcher. Listening on analog AM to this particular aircheck, one would probably not notice the difference.
 
dumber than a box of hair said:
R.F. Burns said:
Here's a short Rewound in HD sample. If you listen closely you'll hear the top end disappear as the Ingram aircheck segs to and from the music. This isn't apparent on the typical non wide band AM radio. The recording was made using the Sangean HDT-1 tuner and a Tascam DA 40 dat machine.

Yes, I've heard this one before. That was an aircheck made from a wideband tuner...much better than average, but considering that Rob Frankel reconstructs the music from CD copies, there will be a noticeable quality difference unless the original aircheck was made from the console or the studio switcher. Listening on analog AM to this particular aircheck, one would probably not notice the difference.


Yes because the analog hides these differences. The audio on the aircheck doesn't sound like a wideband recording to me. There is litttle if any high end and of course the heavy proccessing which WABC used is missing from the added music. You can hear the "loudnes" caused by the compression drop from the aircheck to the reinserted music. Of course I'm being critical but it's quite obvious to anyone who listens to the file. As far as spot load is concerned 18 minutes an hour sounds about right and today we might have 15 minutes every half hour ofr some of these shows.
 
R.F. Burns said:
As far as spot load is concerned 18 minutes an hour sounds about right and today we might have 15 minutes every half hour ofr some of these shows.

OK. Where are we getting 15 minutes every half hour?

Seriously, this would be allowable now, but who actually does it?

And I could be wrong, but I'm almost certain there were legal limits in the 60's-70's. IIRC a certain AM top 40 in Wildwood NJ used to have to get a waiver to "Annualize" their spotload so they could oversell the summers. That's 2nd had from a colloege roomate who worked there, but I have always assumed it was accurate.

Clouseau
 
R.F. Burns said:
Here's a short Rewound in HD sample. If you listen closely you'll hear the top end disappear as the Ingram aircheck segs to and from the music. This isn't apparent on the typical non wide band AM radio. The recording was made using the Sangean HDT-1 tuner and a Tascam DA 40 dat machine.


http://download.yousendit.com/B80559C27A873E9D

HD Mono sounds nice. They could have bled over the 'hifi' music into the segue overlay. That way, the voice isn't full frequency but the overlayed music masks the lofi music. I guess there are pitch concerns as well that would have to be addressed.
 
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