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salemjedi54 said:
I still don't understand difference between praise and worship and CCM.

My point is made. It infiltrated and took over CCM in the 90's, to the point that it has become what most people think is CCM. It used to be a small part of CCM, and there used to be categories such as AC, hot-AC, CHR, and rock. PW took over AC, and devastated the others to the point that it almost took them down. The problem is that CCM, which used to be making serious inroads into secular radio among youth and young adults became completely irrelevant to both groups, with Christian teens and young professionals abandoning CCM completely in favor of secular radio. This business model has always seemed strange to me, because those are the very demographics coveted by secular stations - competition is fierce for their dollars.

I have never been a fan of focus groups - I let listener requests fill my playlist. Focus groups are too small to be a valid scientific sample, and are almost always formed with individuals who will support a pre-conceived outcome desired by station management. Therefore - invalid and irrelevant to where the audience (and in the case of Christian radio the Lord) is really headed. I didn't give a darn about what the Christian music execs in Nashville wanted me to play, what was being played on KSBJ, etc. I played what the audience requested - new music came directly from CDs we bought with our own money at the local Christian book store - in the Christian rock section. Our staff reviewed the tracks for scriptural integrity, radio worthiness, similarity of sound to secular artists, and similarity to songs the local audience had liked in the past. Perhaps you would call that a focus group of sorts, but we were generally pretty good in finding "hits". Enough so we were playing "Flood" eight months before it was picked up by secular stations, who discovered it in part because a local alternative station in our area heard the song on our show and liked it. My staff did a really good job - I couldn't have done it without them. They were teenagers, from 14 to 17, who also announced - so they knew the format and were faithful to it. And were so good they were getting job offers from other stations. Never underestimate a kid who loves God and is dedicated to the job at hand. We were a true Christian rock show, with ratings that eclipsed the local top-40 station in our time slot. My Christian radio equation has always been: Ratings = donations = potential salvations.

By the way, don't look too deeply into the roots of praise and worship music - Maranatha and groups like "Children of the Day" - you may not like what you discover. I preferred my artists to have walks that matched what they were singing.
 
rbrucecarter5 said:
salemjedi54 said:
I still don't understand difference between praise and worship and CCM.

My point is made. It infiltrated and took over CCM in the 90's, to the point that it has become what most people think is CCM. It used to be a small part of CCM, and there used to be categories such as AC, hot-AC, CHR, and rock. PW took over AC, and devastated the others to the point that it almost took them down. The problem is that CCM, which used to be making serious inroads into secular radio among youth and young adults became completely irrelevant to both groups, with Christian teens and young professionals abandoning CCM completely in favor of secular radio. This business model has always seemed strange to me, because those are the very demographics coveted by secular stations - competition is fierce for their dollars.

I have never been a fan of focus groups - I let listener requests fill my playlist. Focus groups are too small to be a valid scientific sample, and are almost always formed with individuals who will support a pre-conceived outcome desired by station management. Therefore - invalid and irrelevant to where the audience (and in the case of Christian radio the Lord) is really headed. I didn't give a darn about what the Christian music execs in Nashville wanted me to play, what was being played on KSBJ, etc. I played what the audience requested - new music came directly from CDs we bought with our own money at the local Christian book store - in the Christian rock section. Our staff reviewed the tracks for scriptural integrity, radio worthiness, similarity of sound to secular artists, and similarity to songs the local audience had liked in the past. Perhaps you would call that a focus group of sorts, but we were generally pretty good in finding "hits". Enough so we were playing "Flood" eight months before it was picked up by secular stations, who discovered it in part because a local alternative station in our area heard the song on our show and liked it. My staff did a really good job - I couldn't have done it without them. They were teenagers, from 14 to 17, who also announced - so they knew the format and were faithful to it. And were so good they were getting job offers from other stations. Never underestimate a kid who loves God and is dedicated to the job at hand. We were a true Christian rock show, with ratings that eclipsed the local top-40 station in our time slot. My Christian radio equation has always been: Ratings = donations = potential salvations.

By the way, don't look too deeply into the roots of praise and worship music - Maranatha and groups like "Children of the Day" - you may not like what you discover. I preferred my artists to have walks that matched what they were singing.

I see...So Marvin Sapp and Kurt Carr are Praise and Worship....while Kirk Franklin and Deitrick Haddon would be CCM...
 
salemjedi54 said:
I see...So Marvin Sapp and Kurt Carr are Praise and Worship....while Kirk Franklin and Deitrick Haddon would be CCM...

I'm really not familiar with the first two - but then I wouldn't be if they were praise and worship. Looking them up, your assessment is probably correct. The latter two would be more traditional CCM - before praise and worship took over.

Kirk Franklin's "Stomp" was on our playlist - it was a crossover from the local rap station. We prided ourselves on the song sounding better on WAPN - we modified the exciter to take out the ridiculous 50 Hz high pass filter, and the bass went from pathetic to thunderous on our station. I'd swear we got out better, too - we had a call or two from 85 miles away - not bad on 1800W off a 350 foot tower!

During the middle 00's, I would not have played Kirk Franklin due to his pornography addiction. Once he publicly repented, I wouldn't have a problem with him.

We didn't stray too much into the Southern gospel type of artist. Not because there wasn't a market - but Southern gospel and Christian rock are separate and distinct formats, much as rock and hip-hop are today. There isn't a lot of cross audience between Christian rock and Christian hip-hop, but KSBJ makes it work on NGEN somehow. Probably because the Christian hip-hop message isn't repugnant to Christian rock fans.
 
rbrucecarter5 said:
salemjedi54 said:
I see...So Marvin Sapp and Kurt Carr are Praise and Worship....while Kirk Franklin and Deitrick Haddon would be CCM...

I'm really not familiar with the first two - but then I wouldn't be if they were praise and worship. Looking them up, your assessment is probably correct. The latter two would be more traditional CCM - before praise and worship took over.

Kirk Franklin's "Stomp" was on our playlist - it was a crossover from the local rap station. We prided ourselves on the song sounding better on WAPN - we modified the exciter to take out the ridiculous 50 Hz high pass filter, and the bass went from pathetic to thunderous on our station. I'd swear we got out better, too - we had a call or two from 85 miles away - not bad on 1800W off a 350 foot tower!

During the middle 00's, I would not have played Kirk Franklin due to his pornography addiction. Once he publicly repented, I wouldn't have a problem with him.

We didn't stray too much into the Southern gospel type of artist. Not because there wasn't a market - but Southern gospel and Christian rock are separate and distinct formats, much as rock and hip-hop are today. There isn't a lot of cross audience between Christian rock and Christian hip-hop, but KSBJ makes it work on NGEN somehow. Probably because the Christian hip-hop message isn't repugnant to Christian rock fans.

Marvin Sapp.....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWrGjzBheno

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mV6LsR2jCjs

Kurt Carr Singers.....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUaGoS2LW5g

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iv68ruS6DVE

That's what I call Praise and Worship. That's what I hear at Community Missionary Baptist Church every Sunday.
 
salemjedi54 said:
rbrucecarter5 said:
salemjedi54 said:
I see...So Marvin Sapp and Kurt Carr are Praise and Worship....while Kirk Franklin and Deitrick Haddon would be CCM...

I'm really not familiar with the first two - but then I wouldn't be if they were praise and worship. Looking them up, your assessment is probably correct. The latter two would be more traditional CCM - before praise and worship took over.

Kirk Franklin's "Stomp" was on our playlist - it was a crossover from the local rap station. We prided ourselves on the song sounding better on WAPN - we modified the exciter to take out the ridiculous 50 Hz high pass filter, and the bass went from pathetic to thunderous on our station. I'd swear we got out better, too - we had a call or two from 85 miles away - not bad on 1800W off a 350 foot tower!

During the middle 00's, I would not have played Kirk Franklin due to his pornography addiction. Once he publicly repented, I wouldn't have a problem with him.

We didn't stray too much into the Southern gospel type of artist. Not because there wasn't a market - but Southern gospel and Christian rock are separate and distinct formats, much as rock and hip-hop are today. There isn't a lot of cross audience between Christian rock and Christian hip-hop, but KSBJ makes it work on NGEN somehow. Probably because the Christian hip-hop message isn't repugnant to Christian rock fans.

Marvin Sapp.....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWrGjzBheno

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mV6LsR2jCjs

Kurt Carr Singers.....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUaGoS2LW5g

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iv68ruS6DVE

That's what I call Praise and Worship. That's what I hear at Community Missionary Baptist Church every Sunday.

Amen! I'm still wishing for a "Praise" or a "Hallelujah FM" one day in this market...
 
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