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Air America in the toilet

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In New York, Air America flagship WLIB again showed a flat 1.0 audience share, for 24th place.

In Los Angeles its KTLK tie at 30th with two other stations.

Chicago's Air America affilate WCPT-AM tied for last place.

On Long Island, the liberal network's WLIB for 29th place overall.<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by mevans on 09/26/05 06:10 AM.</FONT></P>
 
Rush Limbaugh was once an unknown talent on stations like WILB and KTLK.

It would be foolish to say AAR will eventually achieve Limbaugh status, but they are still figuring things out.


> In New York, Air America flagship WLIB again showed a flat
> 1.0 audience share, for 24th place.
>
> In Los Angeles its KTLK fell slightly from 0.9 to 0.8, to
> tie at 30th with two other stations.
>
> Chicago's Air America affilate WCPT-AM tied for last place
> with a 0.4.
>
> On Long Island, the liberal network's WLIB offerings fell
> from 1.3 to 0.9, for 29th place overall.
>
 
> In New York, Air America flagship WLIB again showed a flat
> 1.0 audience share, for 24th place.
>
> In Los Angeles its KTLK fell slightly from 0.9 to 0.8, to
> tie at 30th with two other stations.
>
> Chicago's Air America affilate WCPT-AM tied for last place
> with a 0.4.
>
> On Long Island, the liberal network's WLIB offerings fell
> from 1.3 to 0.9, for 29th place overall.
>
Since this is the Seattle board, what was the gain (or loss ) of Airamerica radio in the seattle market this cycle??

Since you failed to mention it.
 
> Since this is the Seattle board, what was the gain (or loss
> ) of Airamerica radio in the seattle market this cycle??
>
> Since you failed to mention it.

I'm pretty sure it was up. I don't have the numbers infront of me right this moment. 2.xx sounds familiar. Don't quote me on that.<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by mevans on 09/26/05 06:12 AM.</FONT></P>
 
> I'm pretty sure it was up. I don't have the numbers infront
> of me right this moment. 2.xx sounds familiar. Don't quote
> me on that.

Go here: <http://www.radioandrecords.com/RRRatings/> and click on the link for Seattle-Tacoma. KPTK came in with a 2.0, so your memory was pretty good...
 
> > I'm pretty sure it was up. I don't have the numbers
> infront
> > of me right this moment. 2.xx sounds familiar. Don't quote
>
> > me on that.
>
> Go here: and click on the link for Seattle-Tacoma. KPTK
> came in with a 2.0, so your memory was pretty good...
>
Second or third time in a row that the numbers were up if i'm not mistaken
 
> Rush Limbaugh was once an unknown talent on stations like
> WILB and KTLK.
>
> It would be foolish to say AAR will eventually achieve
> Limbaugh status, but they are still figuring things out.


What we know as "conservative talk radio" had something like a 30-year gestation period, from the beginnings of the first all-talk stations (KABC and KMOX),

to the appearance of the first combative proto-conservative hosts
(Joe Pyne, Bob Grant, and their counterparts around the country),

to the decisions by hurting AM medium-market music stations in the 70s to experiment with talk shows at night, to the arrival of satellites,

to the wholesale abandonment of AM by music listeners,

to the arrival of cheap satellite time
in the mid-80s making ad hoc (one show) networks possible and creating a business opportunity for people like Ed McLaughlin and the so-called "EIB network",

to the move by "full service" AMs to leap into the lifeboat of talk in the late 1980s before the A.M. Titanic sank entirely,

to the relentless efforts by Ed McLaughlin to get his boy Rush on those big-stick AMs that were just jumping into talk,

to the conclusion by some of those program directors that they could keep some of Rush's audience by filling the day with people who sounded just like him.

If the so-called liberal media had scrutinized and microanalyzed talk radio during this 30-year maturation period the way the blogosphere has microanalyzed Air America in its 18 months of existence, it would have dissolved into dust before Limbaugh could rattle his first sheet of paper in his formerly nicotine-stained fingers before the golden EIB microphone.
 
There is alot of truth to what you say - there is so much zeal in the voices of those who announce the demise of air america that their analysis might not be that helpful. AA will likely be around for a long time, not because they're doing much of anything right, but simply because they are there, and they are a well-financed propoganda arm of the Dems, and because there will be an increasing need for content as new infrastructure comes online over the next few years.

Its true that AA is failing right now by traditional standards - Clear Channel Providence, one of their big market affiliates, is also dropping them after a year which saw half their audience disappear - but that doens't mean that in time they won't learn the format and start doing a better job. And their gameplan might not care much about traditional standards, ie audience and revenue, during the period that they're being funded by political interests.

But the world is big enough for all of us. Whether the fringe is occupied by AA or Salem (which also doesn't use (solely) traditional standards to judge success), its good to see the business growing, isn't it?



> > Rush Limbaugh was once an unknown talent on stations like
> > WILB and KTLK.
> >
> > It would be foolish to say AAR will eventually achieve
> > Limbaugh status, but they are still figuring things out.
>
>
> What we know as "conservative talk radio" had something like
> a 30-year gestation period, from the beginnings of the first
> all-talk stations (KABC and KMOX),
>
> to the appearance of the first combative proto-conservative
> hosts
> (Joe Pyne, Bob Grant, and their counterparts around the
> country),
>
> to the decisions by hurting AM medium-market music stations
> in the 70s to experiment with talk shows at night, to the
> arrival of satellites,
>
> to the wholesale abandonment of AM by music listeners,
>
> to the arrival of cheap satellite time
> in the mid-80s making ad hoc (one show) networks possible
> and creating a business opportunity for people like Ed
> McLaughlin and the so-called "EIB network",
>
> to the move by "full service" AMs to leap into the lifeboat
> of talk in the late 1980s before the A.M. Titanic sank
> entirely,
>
> to the relentless efforts by Ed McLaughlin to get his boy
> Rush on those big-stick AMs that were just jumping into
> talk,
>
> to the conclusion by some of those program directors that
> they could keep some of Rush's audience by filling the day
> with people who sounded just like him.
>
> If the so-called liberal media had scrutinized and
> microanalyzed talk radio during this 30-year maturation
> period the way the blogosphere has microanalyzed Air America
> in its 18 months of existence, it would have dissolved into
> dust before Limbaugh could rattle his first sheet of paper
> in his formerly nicotine-stained fingers before the golden
> EIB microphone.
>
 
Does it really matter?

> > In New York, Air America flagship WLIB again showed a flat
They're still writing checks..(Well, their backers are writing checks) to stations just to get them on the air.

They started out as those early Saturday Morning shows where they take calls from people who are so unbelievably happy with Snake Oil but never give out the number people are supposedly calling on....INFOMERCIALS....Pre Paid Radio.

Don't believe that's changed yet in 90% of the very few markets they're in.

Seattle already has hysterical liberals but at least Mike Webb, Erin Hart, and Dave Ross can articulate a thought without going into spin cycle...er..well...ok..I'll retract that last part about Hart..she does tend toward screeching and caterwalling..But at least I've never heard her call, on air, for the assissination of the President. (Randi Rhodes about 18 months ago)
 
Re: Does it really matter?

I've never heard her call, on
> air, for the assissination of the President. (Randi Rhodes
> about 18 months ago)
>

That is a lie, buddy. A plain and simple lie. I heard the show, I heard the numerous re-plays of the show, and she didn't call for the anybody's assassination.
 
Just as beauty is in the eye of the beholder

what you hear is often what you want to hear and don't call me a liar.
You don't know me well enough.
She said what she said:

"Like Fredo, somebody ought to take him out fishing and phuw. "
Rhodes then imitated the sound of a gunshot.

In "Godfather II," Fredo Corleone is executed by brother Michael at the end of the film.

Don't have to be a Rhodes Scholor (No pun intended) to understand that reference.

You can sing and dance the liberal two step all you want but her words speak for themselves....Listen again and tell me how she never said what she says here:
Rhodes audio calling for Bush to be killed
 
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