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doc9464
Guest
His latest book is out....a little promo video is posted below
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2005/10/20.html#a5471
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2005/10/20.html#a5471
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Al Franken non existant in Wash D.C.
> His latest book is out....a little promo video is posted
> below
>
> http://www.crooksandliars.com/2005/10/20.html#a5471
>
This was posted below but I'd thought you might want to review and comment:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/19/AR2005101902345.html
At the bottom of the article, the words: "non-existant"
described Err Amerika's ratings
Also, Doc, won't you help Err Amerika?
http://larslarson.com/LinksNStuff/LarsSpoofs/Attachment_GetAttachment.aspx?id=1466&fd=0
<P ID="signature">______________
We send you a $1 every other day. Please fill out your diaries.
Please help Err Amerika: http://larslarson.com/LinksNStuff/LarsSpoofs/Attachment_GetAttachment.aspx?id=1466&fd=0
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> His latest book is out....a little promo video is posted
> below
>
> http://www.crooksandliars.com/2005/10/20.html#a5471
>
This was posted below but I'd thought you might want to review and comment:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/19/AR2005101902345.html
At the bottom of the article, the words: "non-existant"
described Err Amerika's ratings
Also, Doc, won't you help Err Amerika?
http://larslarson.com/LinksNStuff/LarsSpoofs/Attachment_GetAttachment.aspx?id=1466&fd=0
<P ID="signature">______________
We send you a $1 every other day. Please fill out your diaries.
Please help Err Amerika: http://larslarson.com/LinksNStuff/LarsSpoofs/Attachment_GetAttachment.aspx?id=1466&fd=0
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Re: Al Franken non existant in Wash D.C.
> This was posted below but I'd thought you might want to
> review and comment:
>
http://www.washingtonpos> t.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/19/AR2005101902345.html
Of course it's a little hard to get ratings on a station that can't be heard in most of the market (and which uses Don Imus as its morning drive show).
Air America's affiliates are actually doing pretty well in markets where they have fair to good signals, such as Portland and Miami -- and even in conservative markets such as San Diego and Cincinnati. In Cincinnati, Clear Channel's WCKY, is up more than 60 percent since its first full book in the spring -- and beats thirteen other rated stations in the market, including four other stations owned by Clear Channel.
<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by Scribbler on 10/21/05 02:48 AM.</FONT></P>
> This was posted below but I'd thought you might want to
> review and comment:
>
http://www.washingtonpos> t.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/19/AR2005101902345.html
Of course it's a little hard to get ratings on a station that can't be heard in most of the market (and which uses Don Imus as its morning drive show).
Air America's affiliates are actually doing pretty well in markets where they have fair to good signals, such as Portland and Miami -- and even in conservative markets such as San Diego and Cincinnati. In Cincinnati, Clear Channel's WCKY, is up more than 60 percent since its first full book in the spring -- and beats thirteen other rated stations in the market, including four other stations owned by Clear Channel.
<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by Scribbler on 10/21/05 02:48 AM.</FONT></P>
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JohnnyMorganWXJX
Guest
Re: Al Franken non existant in Wash D.C.
> > This was posted below but I'd thought you might want to
> > review and comment:
> >
> http://www.washingtonpos>
> t.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/19/AR2005101902345.html
>
>
> Of course it's a little hard to get ratings on a station
> that can't be heard in most of the market (and which uses
> Don Imus as its morning drive show). Air America's affiliate
> in Cincinnati, Clear Channel's WCKY, is up more than 60
> percent from its spring 12+ rating and beats thirteen other
> rated stations in the market, including four other stations
> owned by Clear Channel.
>
It's about time. That 50kw signal was starting to look wasted. Nice to see lib talk is making in roads SOMEWHERE.
> > This was posted below but I'd thought you might want to
> > review and comment:
> >
> http://www.washingtonpos>
> t.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/19/AR2005101902345.html
>
>
> Of course it's a little hard to get ratings on a station
> that can't be heard in most of the market (and which uses
> Don Imus as its morning drive show). Air America's affiliate
> in Cincinnati, Clear Channel's WCKY, is up more than 60
> percent from its spring 12+ rating and beats thirteen other
> rated stations in the market, including four other stations
> owned by Clear Channel.
>
It's about time. That 50kw signal was starting to look wasted. Nice to see lib talk is making in roads SOMEWHERE.
Re: Al Franken non existant in Wash D.C.
> > > This was posted below but I'd thought you might want to
>
> > > review and comment:
> > >
> > http://www.washingtonpos>
> >
> t.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/19/AR2005101902345.html
>
> >
> >
> > Of course it's a little hard to get ratings on a station
> > that can't be heard in most of the market (and which uses
> > Don Imus as its morning drive show). Air America's
> affiliate
> > in Cincinnati, Clear Channel's WCKY, is up more than 60
> > percent from its spring 12+ rating and beats thirteen
> other
> > rated stations in the market, including four other
> stations
> > owned by Clear Channel.
> >
>
> It's about time. That 50kw signal was starting to look
> wasted. Nice to see lib talk is making in roads SOMEWHERE.
>
Huh? There are several markets where lib talk has been doing better than it's doing so far in Cincinnati, most notably Portland, where KPOJ is the number one talk station and the number one AM station in 25-54. And it's no coincidence that Portland is the ONLY market where lib talk is on a great, low frequency signal (620).
> > > This was posted below but I'd thought you might want to
>
> > > review and comment:
> > >
> > http://www.washingtonpos>
> >
> t.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/19/AR2005101902345.html
>
> >
> >
> > Of course it's a little hard to get ratings on a station
> > that can't be heard in most of the market (and which uses
> > Don Imus as its morning drive show). Air America's
> affiliate
> > in Cincinnati, Clear Channel's WCKY, is up more than 60
> > percent from its spring 12+ rating and beats thirteen
> other
> > rated stations in the market, including four other
> stations
> > owned by Clear Channel.
> >
>
> It's about time. That 50kw signal was starting to look
> wasted. Nice to see lib talk is making in roads SOMEWHERE.
>
Huh? There are several markets where lib talk has been doing better than it's doing so far in Cincinnati, most notably Portland, where KPOJ is the number one talk station and the number one AM station in 25-54. And it's no coincidence that Portland is the ONLY market where lib talk is on a great, low frequency signal (620).
Re: Al Franken non existant in Wash D.C.
> Huh? There are several markets where lib talk has been
> doing better than it's doing so far in Cincinnati, most
> notably Portland, where KPOJ is the number one talk station
> and the number one AM station in 25-54. And it's no
> coincidence that Portland is the ONLY market where lib talk
> is on a great, low frequency signal (620).
In general, the proponents of liberal talk are a bit too quick to go to the "they have a bad signal" defense when the ratings aren't what they'd like.
But in the case of WWRC/1260, it's quite a valid defense. The signal shoots into DC from the northern Maryland suburbs, and even the daytime signal missed a LARGE part of the DC market's growth area - i.e. Northern Virginia.
-OA<P ID="signature">______________
Ohio Media Watch - <a target="_blank" href=http://ohiomedia.blogspot.com>http://ohiomedia.blogspot.com</a></P>
> Huh? There are several markets where lib talk has been
> doing better than it's doing so far in Cincinnati, most
> notably Portland, where KPOJ is the number one talk station
> and the number one AM station in 25-54. And it's no
> coincidence that Portland is the ONLY market where lib talk
> is on a great, low frequency signal (620).
In general, the proponents of liberal talk are a bit too quick to go to the "they have a bad signal" defense when the ratings aren't what they'd like.
But in the case of WWRC/1260, it's quite a valid defense. The signal shoots into DC from the northern Maryland suburbs, and even the daytime signal missed a LARGE part of the DC market's growth area - i.e. Northern Virginia.
-OA<P ID="signature">______________
Ohio Media Watch - <a target="_blank" href=http://ohiomedia.blogspot.com>http://ohiomedia.blogspot.com</a></P>
Re: Al Franken non existant in Wash D.C.
> But in the case of WWRC/1260, it's quite a valid defense.
> The signal shoots into DC from the northern Maryland
> suburbs, and even the daytime signal missed a LARGE part of
> the DC market's growth area - i.e. Northern Virginia.
Man, talk about a crappy signal... I was staying in Greenbelt (about 10 miles due west of the transmitter) about a month ago, and couldn't pull it in at all on my DX-396 in the hotel room! I saw zero promotion of the station around D.C.
I'm surprised anyone listens to it.<P ID="signature">______________
also known as tombetz.</P>
> But in the case of WWRC/1260, it's quite a valid defense.
> The signal shoots into DC from the northern Maryland
> suburbs, and even the daytime signal missed a LARGE part of
> the DC market's growth area - i.e. Northern Virginia.
Man, talk about a crappy signal... I was staying in Greenbelt (about 10 miles due west of the transmitter) about a month ago, and couldn't pull it in at all on my DX-396 in the hotel room! I saw zero promotion of the station around D.C.
I'm surprised anyone listens to it.<P ID="signature">______________
also known as tombetz.</P>
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doc9464
Guest
Re: Al Franken non existant in Wash D.C.
> > But in the case of WWRC/1260, it's quite a valid defense.
>
> > The signal shoots into DC from the northern Maryland
> > suburbs, and even the daytime signal missed a LARGE part
> of
> > the DC market's growth area - i.e. Northern Virginia.
>
> Man, talk about a crappy signal... I was staying in
> Greenbelt (about 10 miles due west of the transmitter) about
> a month ago, and couldn't pull it in at all on my DX-396 in
> the hotel room! I saw zero promotion of the station around
> D.C.
>
> I'm surprised anyone listens to it.
>
Ive got the same prob in Boston......Simulcast on two weak stations
> > But in the case of WWRC/1260, it's quite a valid defense.
>
> > The signal shoots into DC from the northern Maryland
> > suburbs, and even the daytime signal missed a LARGE part
> of
> > the DC market's growth area - i.e. Northern Virginia.
>
> Man, talk about a crappy signal... I was staying in
> Greenbelt (about 10 miles due west of the transmitter) about
> a month ago, and couldn't pull it in at all on my DX-396 in
> the hotel room! I saw zero promotion of the station around
> D.C.
>
> I'm surprised anyone listens to it.
>
Ive got the same prob in Boston......Simulcast on two weak stations
M
mwebster
Guest
Re: Al Franken non existant in Wash D.C.
I know you think your little pun is clever. But a real radio broadcaster know "err" is pronounced "ur."
Maybe somewhere this is a 12 step program you could join: Cheap Shot Anonymous.
Step 1. Admit you are helpless to resist sticking cheap shots into threads whether they have anything to do with the topic or not.
The beauty contest numbers posted online and in newspapers don't mean anything. Real Arbitron subscribers get county-by-county numbers. Hint to whoever is research or promotion manager for WWRC and other poor-stick progressive talk stations. Get your Arbitron data. Spend a little time at the computer. Generate numbers that correspond to where your station can actually be heard. Give it to your sales people. Send out a press release.
>
>
> At the bottom of the article, the words: "non-existant"
> described Err Amerika's ratings
>
> Also, Doc, won't you help Err Amerika?
>
>
I know you think your little pun is clever. But a real radio broadcaster know "err" is pronounced "ur."
Maybe somewhere this is a 12 step program you could join: Cheap Shot Anonymous.
Step 1. Admit you are helpless to resist sticking cheap shots into threads whether they have anything to do with the topic or not.
The beauty contest numbers posted online and in newspapers don't mean anything. Real Arbitron subscribers get county-by-county numbers. Hint to whoever is research or promotion manager for WWRC and other poor-stick progressive talk stations. Get your Arbitron data. Spend a little time at the computer. Generate numbers that correspond to where your station can actually be heard. Give it to your sales people. Send out a press release.
>
>
> At the bottom of the article, the words: "non-existant"
> described Err Amerika's ratings
>
> Also, Doc, won't you help Err Amerika?
>
>
Re: Al Franken non existant in Wash D.C.
> > His latest book is out....a little promo video is posted
> > below
> >
> > http://www.crooksandliars.com/2005/10/20.html#a5471
> >
>
> This was posted below but I'd thought you might want to
> review and comment:
>
http://www.washingtonpos> t.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/19/AR2005101902345.html
>
>
> At the bottom of the article, the words: "non-existant"
> described Err Amerika's ratings
The conservative media is jumping all over the Post bit. Heck, I knew all of that before I even saw it in the Post, since all I had to do was go over to R&R's website and look at the 12+. Yes, I noticed that WWRC wasn't in the overalls. They weren't in the last book either. Guess those 'radio experts' at Human Events and World Nut Daily didn't know how to do that, huh? They also don't even know how to read the ratings. Just because it's not listed in the overalls does not mean nobody at all is litening.
Of course, the naysayers always spin it like they think their readers want it, and leave out some important information. For one, WWRC didn't get ratings when they were a FOX Sports affiliate. Does that mean nobody in the D.C. area likes sports?
These 'radio experts' also don't tell their readers that WWRC's signal is pretty poor. Or that WWRC's main area of coverage has a majority non-white population. Or that the wisdom of simulcasting Don Imus' morning drive show on TWO stations is one of the dumbest ideas ever encountered. Clear Channel also does virtually no promotion for the station.
All in all, WWRC isn't a powerhouse, and likely never will be. It's a cheap format to run, as it's all syndicated talk, so it probably won't go away unless the opportunity arises for a better affiliate.
Interesting that the conservative media doesn't talk about progressive talk success stories in other markets. WCKY made huge gains in the Cincinnati market. Portland, San Diego, Miami, Denver and Seattle, are just a few success stories. Stations in Minneapolis and Chicago are seeing ratings for practically the first time ever. And there are some slow success stories coming around in San Francisco, Los Angeles and other markets. Of course, you won't hear much about it if you get your news from World Nut Daily. <P ID="signature">______________
The Liberal Talk Radio Update</P>
> > His latest book is out....a little promo video is posted
> > below
> >
> > http://www.crooksandliars.com/2005/10/20.html#a5471
> >
>
> This was posted below but I'd thought you might want to
> review and comment:
>
http://www.washingtonpos> t.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/19/AR2005101902345.html
>
>
> At the bottom of the article, the words: "non-existant"
> described Err Amerika's ratings
The conservative media is jumping all over the Post bit. Heck, I knew all of that before I even saw it in the Post, since all I had to do was go over to R&R's website and look at the 12+. Yes, I noticed that WWRC wasn't in the overalls. They weren't in the last book either. Guess those 'radio experts' at Human Events and World Nut Daily didn't know how to do that, huh? They also don't even know how to read the ratings. Just because it's not listed in the overalls does not mean nobody at all is litening.
Of course, the naysayers always spin it like they think their readers want it, and leave out some important information. For one, WWRC didn't get ratings when they were a FOX Sports affiliate. Does that mean nobody in the D.C. area likes sports?
These 'radio experts' also don't tell their readers that WWRC's signal is pretty poor. Or that WWRC's main area of coverage has a majority non-white population. Or that the wisdom of simulcasting Don Imus' morning drive show on TWO stations is one of the dumbest ideas ever encountered. Clear Channel also does virtually no promotion for the station.
All in all, WWRC isn't a powerhouse, and likely never will be. It's a cheap format to run, as it's all syndicated talk, so it probably won't go away unless the opportunity arises for a better affiliate.
Interesting that the conservative media doesn't talk about progressive talk success stories in other markets. WCKY made huge gains in the Cincinnati market. Portland, San Diego, Miami, Denver and Seattle, are just a few success stories. Stations in Minneapolis and Chicago are seeing ratings for practically the first time ever. And there are some slow success stories coming around in San Francisco, Los Angeles and other markets. Of course, you won't hear much about it if you get your news from World Nut Daily. <P ID="signature">______________
The Liberal Talk Radio Update</P>
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k9ez
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k9ez
Guest
Re: Al Franken non existant in Wash D.C.
> > > But in the case of WWRC/1260, it's quite a valid
> defense.
> >
> > > The signal shoots into DC from the northern Maryland
> > > suburbs, and even the daytime signal missed a LARGE part
>
> > of
> > > the DC market's growth area - i.e. Northern Virginia.
> >
> > Man, talk about a crappy signal... I was staying in
> > Greenbelt (about 10 miles due west of the transmitter)
> about
> > a month ago, and couldn't pull it in at all on my DX-396
> in
> > the hotel room! I saw zero promotion of the station
> around
> > D.C.
> >
> > I'm surprised anyone listens to it.
> >
>
> Ive got the same prob in Boston......Simulcast on two weak
> stations
>
But wouldnt you agree.. SOMETHING is better than NOTHING?
> > > But in the case of WWRC/1260, it's quite a valid
> defense.
> >
> > > The signal shoots into DC from the northern Maryland
> > > suburbs, and even the daytime signal missed a LARGE part
>
> > of
> > > the DC market's growth area - i.e. Northern Virginia.
> >
> > Man, talk about a crappy signal... I was staying in
> > Greenbelt (about 10 miles due west of the transmitter)
> about
> > a month ago, and couldn't pull it in at all on my DX-396
> in
> > the hotel room! I saw zero promotion of the station
> around
> > D.C.
> >
> > I'm surprised anyone listens to it.
> >
>
> Ive got the same prob in Boston......Simulcast on two weak
> stations
>
But wouldnt you agree.. SOMETHING is better than NOTHING?
J
JohnnyMorganWXJX
Guest
Re: Al Franken non existant in Wash D.C.
> > > > This was posted below but I'd thought you might want
> to
> >
> > > > review and comment:
> > > >
> > > http://www.washingtonpos>
> > >
> >
> t.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/19/AR2005101902345.html
>
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Of course it's a little hard to get ratings on a station
>
> > > that can't be heard in most of the market (and which
> uses
> > > Don Imus as its morning drive show). Air America's
> > affiliate
> > > in Cincinnati, Clear Channel's WCKY, is up more than 60
> > > percent from its spring 12+ rating and beats thirteen
> > other
> > > rated stations in the market, including four other
> > stations
> > > owned by Clear Channel.
> > >
> >
> > It's about time. That 50kw signal was starting to look
> > wasted. Nice to see lib talk is making in roads
> SOMEWHERE.
> >
> Huh? There are several markets where lib talk has been
> doing better than it's doing so far in Cincinnati, most
> notably Portland, where KPOJ is the number one talk station
> and the number one AM station in 25-54. And it's no
> coincidence that Portland is the ONLY market where lib talk
> is on a great, low frequency signal (620).
>
Sorry, that last statement was a toss-off meant more to show that some of the non-regulars are starting to make a mark. I consider KPOJ a regular, since it was successful almost from the get-go.
But, as I said, WCKY took a long time to finally come around. We were getting worried.
> > > > This was posted below but I'd thought you might want
> to
> >
> > > > review and comment:
> > > >
> > > http://www.washingtonpos>
> > >
> >
> t.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/19/AR2005101902345.html
>
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Of course it's a little hard to get ratings on a station
>
> > > that can't be heard in most of the market (and which
> uses
> > > Don Imus as its morning drive show). Air America's
> > affiliate
> > > in Cincinnati, Clear Channel's WCKY, is up more than 60
> > > percent from its spring 12+ rating and beats thirteen
> > other
> > > rated stations in the market, including four other
> > stations
> > > owned by Clear Channel.
> > >
> >
> > It's about time. That 50kw signal was starting to look
> > wasted. Nice to see lib talk is making in roads
> SOMEWHERE.
> >
> Huh? There are several markets where lib talk has been
> doing better than it's doing so far in Cincinnati, most
> notably Portland, where KPOJ is the number one talk station
> and the number one AM station in 25-54. And it's no
> coincidence that Portland is the ONLY market where lib talk
> is on a great, low frequency signal (620).
>
Sorry, that last statement was a toss-off meant more to show that some of the non-regulars are starting to make a mark. I consider KPOJ a regular, since it was successful almost from the get-go.
But, as I said, WCKY took a long time to finally come around. We were getting worried.
Re: Al Franken non existant in Wash D.C.
> But wouldnt you agree.. SOMETHING is better than NOTHING?
Here's the thing - for a station that's trying to make money, missing half the market with your signal is not, as Martha would say, a "Good Thing".
Not that a decent signal automatically means success - for libtalk or any format.
Our first local liberal talk station was, as I've put it, an "east suburban rimshot daytimer" that struggled to reach our market's main city. In fact, it can't even be heard in half of this county! It didn't stay with the libtalk format long enough to see if the station got any ratings with it, but as far as I know, that station has NEVER appeared in the book.
The current liberal talker is a much stronger, full-market signal. It blows the doors off every radio in this house, under a mile away
You can see the towers from my nearest post office.
The most recent ratings just came out (Summer '05), and this station nudged up slightly, though still within the margin of error and still lower than it was as a sports talker. It's still early, though.
-OA<P ID="signature">______________
Ohio Media Watch - <a target="_blank" href=http://ohiomedia.blogspot.com>http://ohiomedia.blogspot.com</a></P>
> But wouldnt you agree.. SOMETHING is better than NOTHING?
Here's the thing - for a station that's trying to make money, missing half the market with your signal is not, as Martha would say, a "Good Thing".
Not that a decent signal automatically means success - for libtalk or any format.
Our first local liberal talk station was, as I've put it, an "east suburban rimshot daytimer" that struggled to reach our market's main city. In fact, it can't even be heard in half of this county! It didn't stay with the libtalk format long enough to see if the station got any ratings with it, but as far as I know, that station has NEVER appeared in the book.
The current liberal talker is a much stronger, full-market signal. It blows the doors off every radio in this house, under a mile away
You can see the towers from my nearest post office.The most recent ratings just came out (Summer '05), and this station nudged up slightly, though still within the margin of error and still lower than it was as a sports talker. It's still early, though.
-OA<P ID="signature">______________
Ohio Media Watch - <a target="_blank" href=http://ohiomedia.blogspot.com>http://ohiomedia.blogspot.com</a></P>
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doc9464
Guest
Re: Al Franken non existant in Wash D.C.
> It's about time. That 50kw signal was starting to look
> wasted. Nice to see lib talk is making in roads SOMEWHERE.
The growth is slow and steady Johnny as many have been stating.....I hope we move gradually up the ladder kinda like Seinfeld....did on NBC during the "must see tv" days ...for a year and a half..this show struggled mightly but there was some support from NBC and it was given a shot and it obviously paid off.
There were some pumped-up expectations that Franken and the other AAR hosts would "hit one out of the park" but the business has taught them you can't recapture 20+ years of conservative dominance in talk radio in a very short time. I think after the big stumbles, that lesson has been learned...I HOPE SO!!!
So far, a strong majority of the stations that have signed on have been hanging in there and doing well or are just starting to "light up". Only WHJJ in Providence (IMHO) vocally bailed based on disappointments. They still carry some of the AAR broadcasts in a "mismash" of various programs..but they still didn't bail completely.
Im hoping that Liberal/Progressive radio will grow in the same way...gradual but reliable growth. Im curious to see what could happen if the government leadership changes to the left....will the hosts do better when there is no Bush to target or will Progressive/Liberal Radio be a novelty?
I doubt it but one has to be honest enough to give it consideration....so i did.
The stations that have been lost have not been very powerful, very significant, or critical to the survival of Progressive / Liberal radio....
..other stations have come and go..but I don't think it was "AAR has failed."
Progessive radio has gotten over the intial hump of being able to survive...the real challenge now is to go out and see what its going to take to penetrate other markets....the Northern LA's, the Missouri's, Kansas, Southern Alabama, and parts of the west....thats all part of the game of building slowly and delivering. The other part is the list that mwebster posted the other day, that was a nice long list of new and current progressives outside of AAR...that too shows that Progressive/Liberal radio has a life...
Guess the new talking points will have to be distributed now.....what do you think there Johnny....agree, or other thoughts?
> It's about time. That 50kw signal was starting to look
> wasted. Nice to see lib talk is making in roads SOMEWHERE.
The growth is slow and steady Johnny as many have been stating.....I hope we move gradually up the ladder kinda like Seinfeld....did on NBC during the "must see tv" days ...for a year and a half..this show struggled mightly but there was some support from NBC and it was given a shot and it obviously paid off.
There were some pumped-up expectations that Franken and the other AAR hosts would "hit one out of the park" but the business has taught them you can't recapture 20+ years of conservative dominance in talk radio in a very short time. I think after the big stumbles, that lesson has been learned...I HOPE SO!!!
So far, a strong majority of the stations that have signed on have been hanging in there and doing well or are just starting to "light up". Only WHJJ in Providence (IMHO) vocally bailed based on disappointments. They still carry some of the AAR broadcasts in a "mismash" of various programs..but they still didn't bail completely.
Im hoping that Liberal/Progressive radio will grow in the same way...gradual but reliable growth. Im curious to see what could happen if the government leadership changes to the left....will the hosts do better when there is no Bush to target or will Progressive/Liberal Radio be a novelty?
I doubt it but one has to be honest enough to give it consideration....so i did.
The stations that have been lost have not been very powerful, very significant, or critical to the survival of Progressive / Liberal radio....
..other stations have come and go..but I don't think it was "AAR has failed."
Progessive radio has gotten over the intial hump of being able to survive...the real challenge now is to go out and see what its going to take to penetrate other markets....the Northern LA's, the Missouri's, Kansas, Southern Alabama, and parts of the west....thats all part of the game of building slowly and delivering. The other part is the list that mwebster posted the other day, that was a nice long list of new and current progressives outside of AAR...that too shows that Progressive/Liberal radio has a life...
Guess the new talking points will have to be distributed now.....what do you think there Johnny....agree, or other thoughts?
D
doc9464
Guest
Re: Al Franken non existant in Wash D.C.
> > Huh? There are several markets where lib talk has been
> But in the case of WWRC/1260, it's quite a valid defense.
> The signal shoots into DC from the northern Maryland
> suburbs, and even the daytime signal missed a LARGE part of
> the DC market's growth area - i.e. Northern Virginia.
>
Regrettable too in Boston. I have been begging the Newton City council...to please let WKOX/WKXS upgrade. This has been a golden moment to step in and take over and its being missed...and bad signal is the catalyst for failure to take advantage of an opportunity.
WTKK and WRKO have publically going through some awkward transitions with their hosts (especially reviled host Jay Severin - IMHO). If WKOX/WKXS was going to try for the knock out this would have been the time....putting Randi into the drive time slot...and promoting the hell out it would have been cool....a Severin/Hannity - Carr - Rhodes battle royale.....would have been good for Boston...
Instead we have Ed Schultz - Carr - Hannity => a yawner at best....oh well, one can dream for better days in the future....
> > Huh? There are several markets where lib talk has been
> But in the case of WWRC/1260, it's quite a valid defense.
> The signal shoots into DC from the northern Maryland
> suburbs, and even the daytime signal missed a LARGE part of
> the DC market's growth area - i.e. Northern Virginia.
>
Regrettable too in Boston. I have been begging the Newton City council...to please let WKOX/WKXS upgrade. This has been a golden moment to step in and take over and its being missed...and bad signal is the catalyst for failure to take advantage of an opportunity.
WTKK and WRKO have publically going through some awkward transitions with their hosts (especially reviled host Jay Severin - IMHO). If WKOX/WKXS was going to try for the knock out this would have been the time....putting Randi into the drive time slot...and promoting the hell out it would have been cool....a Severin/Hannity - Carr - Rhodes battle royale.....would have been good for Boston...
Instead we have Ed Schultz - Carr - Hannity => a yawner at best....oh well, one can dream for better days in the future....
Re: Al Franken non existant in Wash D.C.
> WCKY going from a .8 to a 1.3 is a HUGE gain????? Talk
> about low expectations.....
60% gain in share in one book. Not too bad. Is it only a success to you if it's top five overall in the market?
> Also, 850 WCPT in Chicago was carying a 3+ when they were
> Adult Standards. Their .7 now kind of pales, no?
In what century was this? WCPT hasn't shown up in the overall ratings for years.
> And... KQKE stil had higher ratings when Adudlt Standards
> than they hold now.
Because we all know that adult standards is a monster billing format. Ratings have been going up. They're not at the top of the books, but nobody expected it to be.
> San Diegos KLSD has gone from a 2.6 to a 1.8.... again down.
Lots of talk stations are down since the election (the 2.6 was from last summer). Still, it's going back toward the 2.0 range, so it has some staying power. Solidity is good for the format.
> KKZN Denver has done some increases. As has Minneapolis
> KTNF.
AM 950 in Minneapolis hasn't been in the ratings books for years until it flipped. KKZN wasn't doing much with sports.
> My point is that you can wear rose colored glasses as much
> as you want. But please try to be a little more accurate.
> You are making it sound like AAR is burning up the air
> waves. Obviously it is not.
Where in my post did I say that? All I said is that there are some modest success stories in the format.
> Yes yes, I am talking about 12+ but that is all most of us
> are able to work with.
>
> And why must you call everything you disagree with a name?
I dunno. Did you ask the guy who referred to it as "Err Amerika"? Of course not. And since he started it, once you ask him, I'll answer this question.<P ID="signature">______________
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> WCKY going from a .8 to a 1.3 is a HUGE gain????? Talk
> about low expectations.....
60% gain in share in one book. Not too bad. Is it only a success to you if it's top five overall in the market?
> Also, 850 WCPT in Chicago was carying a 3+ when they were
> Adult Standards. Their .7 now kind of pales, no?
In what century was this? WCPT hasn't shown up in the overall ratings for years.
> And... KQKE stil had higher ratings when Adudlt Standards
> than they hold now.
Because we all know that adult standards is a monster billing format. Ratings have been going up. They're not at the top of the books, but nobody expected it to be.
> San Diegos KLSD has gone from a 2.6 to a 1.8.... again down.
Lots of talk stations are down since the election (the 2.6 was from last summer). Still, it's going back toward the 2.0 range, so it has some staying power. Solidity is good for the format.
> KKZN Denver has done some increases. As has Minneapolis
> KTNF.
AM 950 in Minneapolis hasn't been in the ratings books for years until it flipped. KKZN wasn't doing much with sports.
> My point is that you can wear rose colored glasses as much
> as you want. But please try to be a little more accurate.
> You are making it sound like AAR is burning up the air
> waves. Obviously it is not.
Where in my post did I say that? All I said is that there are some modest success stories in the format.
> Yes yes, I am talking about 12+ but that is all most of us
> are able to work with.
>
> And why must you call everything you disagree with a name?
I dunno. Did you ask the guy who referred to it as "Err Amerika"? Of course not. And since he started it, once you ask him, I'll answer this question.<P ID="signature">______________
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JohnnyMorganWXJX
Guest
Re: Al Franken non existant in Wash D.C.
> > It's about time. That 50kw signal was starting to look
> > wasted. Nice to see lib talk is making in roads
> SOMEWHERE.
>
>
> The growth is slow and steady Johnny as many have been
> stating.....I hope we move gradually up the ladder kinda
> like Seinfeld....did on NBC during the "must see tv" days
> ...for a year and a half..this show struggled mightly but
> there was some support from NBC and it was given a shot and
> it obviously paid off.
> There were some pumped-up expectations that Franken and the
> other AAR hosts would "hit one out of the park" but the
> business has taught them you can't recapture 20+ years of
> conservative dominance in talk radio in a very short time. I
> think after the big stumbles, that lesson has been
> learned...I HOPE SO!!!
>
> So far, a strong majority of the stations that have signed
> on have been hanging in there and doing well or are just
> starting to "light up". Only WHJJ in Providence (IMHO)
> vocally bailed based on disappointments. They still carry
> some of the AAR broadcasts in a "mismash" of various
> programs..but they still didn't bail completely.
>
> Im hoping that Liberal/Progressive radio will grow in the
> same way...gradual but reliable growth. Im curious to see
> what could happen if the government leadership changes to
> the left....will the hosts do better when there is no Bush
> to target or will Progressive/Liberal Radio be a novelty?
>
> I doubt it but one has to be honest enough to give it
> consideration....so i did.
>
> The stations that have been lost have not been very
> powerful, very significant, or critical to the survival of
> Progressive / Liberal radio....
> ..other stations have come and go..but I don't think it was
> "AAR has failed."
> Progessive radio has gotten over the intial hump of being
> able to survive...the real challenge now is to go out and
> see what its going to take to penetrate other markets....the
> Northern LA's, the Missouri's, Kansas, Southern Alabama, and
> parts of the west....thats all part of the game of building
> slowly and delivering. The other part is the list that
> mwebster posted the other day, that was a nice long list of
> new and current progressives outside of AAR...that too shows
> that Progressive/Liberal radio has a life...
>
> Guess the new talking points will have to be distributed
> now.....what do you think there Johnny....agree, or other
> thoughts?
>
Doc, that is probably the most reasoned (and reasonable) response about lib talk on this board.
I don't know if new talking points will be issued, but I have always been on G. Gordon Liddy's side in this whole thing: let liberals have talk shows. The conservatives will beat them by and with ideas anyway. And that's how I feel. The discussion on both sides is important to national discourse.
And, as I mentioned below, the "somwhere" comment was a toss-off, meaningless. I think WCKY's successful book is very important to lib talk success because of its location, signal strength, and line-up. It may well be a benchmark.
> > It's about time. That 50kw signal was starting to look
> > wasted. Nice to see lib talk is making in roads
> SOMEWHERE.
>
>
> The growth is slow and steady Johnny as many have been
> stating.....I hope we move gradually up the ladder kinda
> like Seinfeld....did on NBC during the "must see tv" days
> ...for a year and a half..this show struggled mightly but
> there was some support from NBC and it was given a shot and
> it obviously paid off.
> There were some pumped-up expectations that Franken and the
> other AAR hosts would "hit one out of the park" but the
> business has taught them you can't recapture 20+ years of
> conservative dominance in talk radio in a very short time. I
> think after the big stumbles, that lesson has been
> learned...I HOPE SO!!!
>
> So far, a strong majority of the stations that have signed
> on have been hanging in there and doing well or are just
> starting to "light up". Only WHJJ in Providence (IMHO)
> vocally bailed based on disappointments. They still carry
> some of the AAR broadcasts in a "mismash" of various
> programs..but they still didn't bail completely.
>
> Im hoping that Liberal/Progressive radio will grow in the
> same way...gradual but reliable growth. Im curious to see
> what could happen if the government leadership changes to
> the left....will the hosts do better when there is no Bush
> to target or will Progressive/Liberal Radio be a novelty?
>
> I doubt it but one has to be honest enough to give it
> consideration....so i did.
>
> The stations that have been lost have not been very
> powerful, very significant, or critical to the survival of
> Progressive / Liberal radio....
> ..other stations have come and go..but I don't think it was
> "AAR has failed."
> Progessive radio has gotten over the intial hump of being
> able to survive...the real challenge now is to go out and
> see what its going to take to penetrate other markets....the
> Northern LA's, the Missouri's, Kansas, Southern Alabama, and
> parts of the west....thats all part of the game of building
> slowly and delivering. The other part is the list that
> mwebster posted the other day, that was a nice long list of
> new and current progressives outside of AAR...that too shows
> that Progressive/Liberal radio has a life...
>
> Guess the new talking points will have to be distributed
> now.....what do you think there Johnny....agree, or other
> thoughts?
>
Doc, that is probably the most reasoned (and reasonable) response about lib talk on this board.
I don't know if new talking points will be issued, but I have always been on G. Gordon Liddy's side in this whole thing: let liberals have talk shows. The conservatives will beat them by and with ideas anyway. And that's how I feel. The discussion on both sides is important to national discourse.
And, as I mentioned below, the "somwhere" comment was a toss-off, meaningless. I think WCKY's successful book is very important to lib talk success because of its location, signal strength, and line-up. It may well be a benchmark.
Re: Al Franken non existant in Wash D.C.
> Regrettable too in Boston. I have been begging the Newton
> City council...to please let WKOX/WKXS upgrade. This has
> been a golden moment to step in and take over and its being
> missed...and bad signal is the catalyst for failure to take
> advantage of an opportunity.
If I recall, WKOX has a construction permit for Newton, but Newton won't let them put up a tower there.
I'm sure if they could, CC would probably drop the WXKS simulcast. The new WKOX would certainly put out some serious power:
http://www.radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/finder?call=wkox&is_unl=Y&is_lic=Y&is_cp=Y&sr=Y&s=C&sid=
50kw directional. Looks like it would have some pretty good city coverage.
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> Regrettable too in Boston. I have been begging the Newton
> City council...to please let WKOX/WKXS upgrade. This has
> been a golden moment to step in and take over and its being
> missed...and bad signal is the catalyst for failure to take
> advantage of an opportunity.
If I recall, WKOX has a construction permit for Newton, but Newton won't let them put up a tower there.
I'm sure if they could, CC would probably drop the WXKS simulcast. The new WKOX would certainly put out some serious power:
http://www.radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/finder?call=wkox&is_unl=Y&is_lic=Y&is_cp=Y&sr=Y&s=C&sid=
50kw directional. Looks like it would have some pretty good city coverage.
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