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Al Wilson/Paul Davis

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allenv

It has not been a good last few days in the music world. A couple of days we lost Al Wilson of "Show & Tell", "The Snake" & I've Got A Feeling(We'll Be Seeing Each Other Again") fame.He was a great singer with a smooth,manly delivery.You dont hear that much on the radio anymore.Also, one of my favorites from the 70's and 80's Paul Davis died today one day after his 60th birthday.He was a fabulous talent.
I loved most all his stuff."Sweet Life","Cool Night", "I Go Crazy", "65 Love Affair","Ride em Cowboy", "Do Right",Darlin", :I Use The Soap" and a great remake of "Love or Let Me Be Lonely".He also had some country hits with Tayna Tucker & Paul Overstreet & Marie Osmond.He was simply a very gifted singer-songwriter who had the gift of beautiful
medley and arrangement.Two guys that I loved.. Dan Fogelberg & Paul Davis die 5 months apart.I have spent many hours listening to Paul Davis.The sad part is no one will do a proper tribute to Paul because some consultant says most of his songs don't test well.Millions of people bought his records... that's all the TEST
you need.Music has lost a treasure in Paul Davis. I'll love his tunes forever...


Allen
 
I would love to do that but unfortunately like the great majority of my radio brothers and sisters I have no say so in what I play except when I do John's sockhop or Steve's beach show...

Allen
 
i'm sure the station would back you,the artist are what you play....i remember the elvis thing.that went well..why not al and paul at least...throw in some calls and history of the artist...bet they could sale it
 
I wish I could but I'm not in the loop in making those decisions but again the music world has lost two great artists.Thanks for the nice words PeeWee.
I appreciate it...

Allen
 
i'm sure bbgi,if presented with the idea (and i'm sure you know sponsors that would be interested to back the show)..would give you a slot...shoot dude..put the show together,sale it yourself and pick up some extra cash(something we all can use)..just an idea..it would be a win win...heck the way the old artist are falling make it as monthly special..call it "im memory of"...just a thought..rock on
 
Peewee... I'm actually working on a couple of things and if all goes well I'll have my ducks in a row by June and we'll see how it all shakes out.

Allen
 
allenv said:
Peewee... I'm actually working on a couple of things and if all goes well I'll have my ducks in a row by June and we'll see how it all shakes out.

Allen
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Hey Allen I'd love to be a part of a tribute to these artists or whatever you're working on just give me a call and we'll talk about it. All great music and you are right though, consutant's would look the other way or laugh in your face, but great music is great music and it HAS already been tested. The charts don't lie. It's a true shame that so much music doesn't get played anymore. Now on Jammin we do play "Show and Tell" but I think that's the only one from Al we play.

Paul's "Do Right" is a true forgotten treasure that went to #23 on the Billboard Charts, a respectable position, but naturally due to it's religious premise have made stations turn away from it. Now this is interesting they (Al and Paul) were born in the same town.
 
allenv said:
John,
I know you love Paul Davis like I do.You have great taste in music sir....
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So do you sir. It's sad that great music is missing from radio or can only be heard on "Wal-Mart Radio". Management really doesn't care about the product anymore just the bottom line and how much $$$$$ thay can fill their own back pockets with.
 
Double J said:
Management really doesn't care about the product anymore just the bottom line and how much $$$$$ thay can fill their own back pockets with.
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And please tell me in what industry is this NOT the case? Would you buy a station to lose money and run it as a charity case?

It's not 1975 anymore and some of you need to understand this. Lifestyles have changed. When you are competing with portable music players that can personalize your own 10,000 songs, do you really need to be playing a song that maybe 5% of your audience will identify with? Or should you play songs that appeal to 95% of the audience so they keep listening to you? I implore you to please answer that question with what you believe is correct. I'm kind of afraid what the answer will be.
 
w00t said:
Double J said:
Management really doesn't care about the product anymore just the bottom line and how much $$$$$ thay can fill their own back pockets with.
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And please tell me in what industry is this NOT the case? Would you buy a station to lose money and run it as a charity case?

It's not 1975 anymore and some of you need to understand this. Lifestyles have changed. When you are competing with portable music players that can personalize your own 10,000 songs, do you really need to be playing a song that maybe 5% of your audience will identify with? Or should you play songs that appeal to 95% of the audience so they keep listening to you? I implore you to please answer that question with what you believe is correct. I'm kind of afraid what the answer will be.
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Oh I agree every business is that way I understand that point, but I believe that some of the things that radio did in 1975 can still be done. Everything cycles around again and it's time for it to recycle back to things that made radio what it once was in order for it to survive the new media onslaught. Radio WILL survive, but it takes someone with vision and balls to actually DO it.

Again this is consultant's propoganda that has been force fed to every GM/PD/MD over the last 30+ years. That's just the point. The average listener is TIRED of listening to the same songs over and over and over and .... that the 95% of the audience appeals to as you say. That's WHY they have turned to the portable music players and internet because THEY CAN'T GET IT ON THEIR LOCAL FAVORITE STATION ANYMORE becuase the consultant's say the songs they really want to hear doesn't "test" well and the station refuses to play them. The research has already been done. Pick up a copy of Joel Whitburn's Book of Top 40 Hits and that should be all the music research you need, period. It's there in black and white where a song placed on the charts and how popular it was. Hell, even a song that was at #40 for one week HAD to be POPULAR SOMEWHERE enough to make it on to the chart. With people so scattered across the nation there WILL be enough to remember it. I garuntee<sp> it.
 
Double J has a point.. Paul was charting much higher in the south and southwest, and to a point the lower midwest... Funny? Billy Joel's trademark is "Piano Man"... PEAKED AT #25.... Whaaaaa? Hunnnh? Yep! It became more marketable as a classic and oldie, than a current Top-40 hit.... Paul's music tests for us (A/C strong in recall....Even his #20 plus tunes).... Can't always tell by the run as a single on the chart... 8)
 
Just because a song charted 30 years ago doesn't mean everyone remembers it. There are songs on the chart right now that will probably still get play years from now and those that probably won't. Most of these songs you say should be played don't have staying power. A PD in a top 50 market (Bill Campbell) tried to explain this in a past thread but nobody listened (or understood). Apparently he understands it.

Outside of oldies/classic hits/soft rock, you're out of touch. Radio can't please anyone under 25 anymore. Because of the internet, acts that would have been obscure regional acts years ago are now popular artists around the country. Some people like what another doesn't. The daily newspaper is going bye-bye for the same set of reasons.

That said, I still listen to radio and subscribe to the N&O. There are exceptions. But I understand that a very different future for both is imminent.
 
No radio can't please the under 25 crowd and that's NOT the target audience I'm talking about. I'm talking about my crowd, the 40+ ers. They will remember most of those songs especially if the really listened to the radio back then. Heck back then I was a "casual" listener and I remember them, but I'm a -.000001% of the population so I don't count. Heck I don't think radio can please anyone anmore. I have even turned to my own personal music collection because so many of the songs I like and remember that actually PLAYED on the radio aren't played anymore on radio. Yes current Top 40 songs will probably be played 30+ from now, but I highly doubt it since what is currently on the Top 40 charts is crap. But take songs from 30+ years ago, some are still being played because it was good CLEAN music. Yes there were references to sex and drugs and all back then, but by today's standards much cleaner. The songs back then were much more listenable and you could actually hear the lyrics. I don't think you could do that with today's music.
 
Well.. For the most part, I could agree... But then I remember "THE HAPPY ORGAN" that got banned on a lot of early Top-40 radio... Dave "Baby" Cortez..... "Long Tall Sally" was infidelity at its best.. Uncle John and Long Tall Sally saw Mary coming and jumped back into the alley.....Wew!... Just having some fun... Don't take me too seriously.. The tight turnonver to looser play of 'wow I havn't heard that in years' comes and goes... ;)
 
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Well.. For the most part, I could agree... But then I remember "THE HAPPY ORGAN" that got banned on a lot of early Top-40 radio... Dave "Baby" Cortez..... "Long Tall Sally" was infidelity at its best.. Uncle John and Long Tall Sally saw Mary coming and jumped back into the alley.....Wew!... Just having some fun... Don't take me too seriously.. The tight turnonver to looser play of 'wow I havn't heard that in years' comes and goes... ;)
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The Happy Organ was an instrumental. The only way I see that it would have been banned was either 1. it was by a black performer but many other songs of that era wre performed by blacks so that would throw out that one or 2. the title. Long Tall Sally which one? Pat Boone or Little Richard's version. Probably Little Richard's, but after listening to both, I can't see how even back then these were banned or taboo for radio airplay and certainly not now with what's being played today. Tame by today's music.
 
White Bread owners of early pop stations thought the title was offensive... They looked at titles in those days..... Pat's was the Billboard hit, but we remember Richards original play by the night jocks on the big powerhouses (as they had the control and the payola).... Remember many called early R&R "Race" music... ;)
 
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