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ALABAMA VOICES: Time to bring back Fairness Doctrine

There were talk radio stations and most of them had more local content than the average talk radio station does today.

And, most of the local content on talk radio stations in the city where I listened to the radio was lightweight banter and chit-chat, or discussions who which quarterback should start the game on Sunday. Maybe there were exceptions in other markets, but in the days before the internet and listening to out-of-market stations on-line, talk radio listeners heard what was on their local stations, and that's all.

There's not a lot of political controversy calling for equal time when the discussions on local talk radio were about whether a local street should be made one-way or not.

If however, it terminates the career of a fourth-string Rush wannabe who adopted the conservative line to get a gig, well, that would be a nice fringe benefit, not because the fourth-stringer is conservative, but because he or she lacks talent or originality.

First stringers start out as fourth stringers, and move up the depth chart as they gain experience. Not all of them make it, but if you eliminate all of the entry level positions (which syndication as pretty much done anyway), where does the next generation of skilled talk hosts come from?

And remember, as has been pointed out in this forum repeatedly, this is about a new "Fairness" Doctrine or "Fairness" Law. Whatever the old Fariness Doctrine might have said, this will be a new one. The fact that the old Fairness Doctrine might not have had that much impact on content doesn't mean that a new one won't be far more draconian.
 
This is just more of the right wing asking not to be thrown in that Briar patch! THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT THE RIGHT WING WANTS! They want the fairness doctrine back, and with a vengeance. That means no ownership caps, no local control, just more easily manipulated government dupes (FCC etc.) to issue paltry fines that can be avioded by playing left of center talk from midnight to 5 AM on a 1000 watt AM station just outside of town. Then they can complain complain complain about it, take it to court and before you know it...it's determined to be unconstitional! Problem solved for the right wing and their corporate cronies. This is exactly what broadcasters are doing with "indecency". They don't mind the FCC handing out the fines and are keeping all there lawyers on retainer for the day they slap back. You heard it here first!
 
Robbb, May I please see the paperwork that appointed YOU the spokesperson for the "right wing?"

Sorry, but I never read that in the WSJ!
 
Look hammando, it's just my two cents but every time someone talks about ownership caps the right comes back with some talk about the Fairness Doctrine (see the George Will discussion elsewhere). Do you disagree, is the Firness Doctrine unconstitutional? I say so. Would the Firness doctrine impact radio stations? Marginally at best. Very easy to work around IMHO. Why all the complaints about such a silly, outdated, unconstitutional and inconsequential rule when ownership caps and local control would accomplish more and truly change media? It makes one a bit conspiratorial to hear all the talk on the right about the fairness doctrine. It's easy to dismiss. Of couse you'll find the occaisional newspaperman talking about bringing it back (if you look hard enough you'll find anyone supporting anything IMHO).

As for who made me spokesman for the right wing, I suppose the same folks who made Rush and Hannity spokesmen for the left.
 
Marginally? Obviously, you are not in media ownership or management - and wold have to go through the burden (and it is a burden) of keeping track of the time - and who said WHAT, when.

You said; "ownership caps and local control would accomplish more and truly change media".

With THAT I agree 100%. Thanks.
 
Ultimtely the audience will make the choice of what they listen to or watch..and there are a myriad of choices...no matter if there's an FD or a different ownership scheme.
 
gr8oldies said:
Ultimtely the audience will make the choice of what they listen to or watch..and there are a myriad of choices...no matter if there's an FD or a different ownership scheme.

Yes, a "myriad" of choices if you want to listen to right wing talk radio.

  • On average about three right wing talk radio stations in all of the almost 400 radio markets
  • Only one lib talk station in 60the markets (that's one out seven)
  • Thirteen hours of conservative talk for every one hour lib talk

And don't say that's what the market wants. That's what Clear Channel and the other right wing companies that control the radio business want.
 
And don't say that's what the market wants.

Why shouldn't we say it? It's true!

Clear Channel isn't in business to promote a political agenda, it's in business to make money. They have no scruples about anything. They'll air anything that they think will make them more money.

I can't believe that a liberal would claim that Clear Channel puts anything ahead of making more profits.
 
Clear Channel put more liberal talk on the air than any company..and in most cases it failed. If Al Franken could have put a serious dent into Rush Limbaugh's numbers, Rush would have been replaced by Al Franken on CC's big talkers. The only way liberal talk succeeds is if a liberal host gets a big enough audience. That can't be forced.
 
I said this about radio station owners

don't say that's what the market wants. That's what Clear Channel and the other right wing companies that control the radio business want.

Then RR said
Clear Channel isn't in business to promote a political agenda, it's in business to make money. They have no scruples about anything. They'll air anything that they think will make them more money.

So that's why CC gives 95% of their political donations to Republicans (more than any other media company.) And CC Vice Chairman Tom Hicks was George Bush's primary sugar daddy when he ran for Gov. of Texas and for the Republican Presidential nomination in 2000.
 
So that's why CC gives 95% of their political donations to Republicans (more than any other media company.) And CC Vice Chairman Tom Hicks was George Bush's primary sugar daddy when he ran for Gov. of Texas and for the Republican Presidential nomination in 2000.

Exactly! Clear Channel puts whatever makes them the most profit on the air to enable them to make money that they can spend any way that they want to spend it. The advance their political agenda through campaign contributions. They broadcast whatever makes them the most profit. And they don't mix the two up.

Here in the market where I live, the Clear Channel classic rock station is the #1 in town. They're the flagship station for the Steelers. They also have, as most top rated stations do, a morning show full of a cast of zany people. And those zany folks on the 'DVE Morning Show frequently make jokes about the current President that are both very, very funny and about as far left as any jokes can be. They also own a talk station on 104.7 which features the right-wing talk team of Quinn and Rose.

If they were in business to push an agenda, they would have told the 'DVE Morning Show to stop making Bush the butt of so many jokes. But they don't do that because 'DVE is #1 in the Pittsburgh ratings, thanks in large measure to their morning show.
 
Radio_Realist said:
So that's why CC gives 95% of their political donations to Republicans (more than any other media company.) And CC Vice Chairman Tom Hicks was George Bush's primary sugar daddy when he ran for Gov. of Texas and for the Republican Presidential nomination in 2000.

Exactly! Clear Channel puts whatever makes them the most profit on the air to enable them to make money that they can spend any way that they want to spend it. The advance their political agenda through campaign contributions. They broadcast whatever makes them the most profit. And they don't mix the two up.

Exactly! "the [sic] advance their political agenda" by giving 95% of their political contributions to Republicans while most other media companies are closer to 50/50. CC is far and away the most politically active media company in the U.S. Over 90% of their news/talk stations are conservative, they offer Fox News on virtually all their stations, they dropped lib talk on five of their stations over the past few months and each of those stations has plumetted in the ratings since that time, they own Premiere Radio Networks which only syndicates conservative talkers like Limbaugh, Beck, Dr. Laura, McConnell and Drudge, and their top management is closer to George Bush than Condoleeza Rice. Do I need to say more.
 
Of course before they droppe all that liberal talk they added it. I know there's no way to convince anyone here that Al Franken wouldn't be number one if CC wasn't what they were. If I was in charge of CC I'd probably be greasing both parties' wheels, however.

Cox is known for being a liberal company...their newspapers largely editorialize to the left and they launched the careers of several liberal commentators. Yet WSB and WHIO carry mostly conservative talkers. Why? Because they want Republicans to win? No, becaue THESE SHOWS DELIVER THE MOST AUDIENCE. If they Randi Rhodes could beat Sean Hannity in markets like Atlanta and Dayton, Randi Rhodes would be doing afternoon drive tommorrow. Same with CC. And yes, you have to look at CC and Premiere's non-talk radio offerings. Are Bob and Tom right wing? Do they always praise the President. Are there no morning shows in all of CC that portray Bush as a doofus? Do they play only right-wing artists on their alternative stations (assuming they coul find any?).

There is only one way to grow "liberal talk" (though I don't believe there's really such a thing as "conservative talk", just talk show hosts who lean conservative). A liberal host gets solid numbers in a market consistently. Then he or she is syndicated to other markets, often on smaller stations. There is enough of a ratings bump to make the larger news/talker take notice and begin to think about replacing an existing show. That's how it works, folks, and it always has worked that way.
 
gr8oldies said:
Cox is known for being a liberal company...their newspapers largely editorialize to the left and they launched the careers of several liberal commentators.

C'mon Cox Enterprises is hardly a liberal company. It's a privately owned company by some billionaires from Atlanta and gives 80% of their political contributions to Republicans. When right wing wingnuts complain about the liberal print media, they talk about the New York and LA Times, and the Washington Post-- not the Atlanta Journal-Constitution.

I don't believe there's really such a thing as "conservative talk", just talk show hosts who lean conservative

This might be the most ridiculous statement that I have ever seen posted on this board.
 
I love that the same libs that praised Clear Channel on thier openmindeness, are now coming to the conclusion that

A: they were duped from the beginning, and used as political cover
B: maybe, just maybe, there's not enough libs around willing to listen to that stuff, and CC is cleaning house.

Of course, it's most usually 'A', but then what can you expect from the side that believes Bush did 9-11, and all the elections they lose are somehow 'stolen' ::)
 
OK..I'll rephrase. People listen to talk show hosts who are conservative and happen to entertain them. They aren't (OK maybe a few are) listening to conservatives just because they're conservative. That's what AA never got.
 
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