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All Access reporting R&R to close Friday

temporarily or for good?????
 
Hunter said:
Difficult times.
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I remember collecting the 70's Radio and Records, and referring to them often as thought starters for promotions and such. The early conventions were fun, almost a club-like environment.

More than a sign of the times, it says something about what radio is today versus what it was in the 70's and 80's. There is a message there, although I am not sure what it is... and, of course, it says something about the sorry state of the music business, too.
 
Back in the day, you waited for R&R to arrive in the mail and read it cover to cover to check the adds, the openings, the features, the formats and the latest industry hype. The demise of [size=12pt]R&R points to bigger issues and unanswered and record business has become as risky as the broadcasting and record business itself. I wish the staff and those who will be out of work Godspeed and good luck. Your hard work and efforts were appreciated by many and you will be missed.[/size]
 
Doesn't it really just speak to the fact that nearly everything in the magazine could be found elsewhere, and for free? Unless you're really jonesing for some pictures of musicians with small market PDs, it didn't have much exclusive content. Maybe it was important in the 70s, but not today.
 
TODAY is the last day of the electronic version (website) for R&R. It will be soon taken down per their website.

In the early 80's I'd go on a Wednesday night just after it was delivered to a 24-hour news stand in Hollywood on Cahuenga or Van Nuys and read it there. I didn't want to wait to read it at the station the next day. I'd hate it on those rare occasions that it wasn't delivered to the news stand at its normal time. When I got my first subscription, I'd pick it up at R&R's offices in Century City just before they closed on Wednesday evening.

I use to keep stacks, in order, of old Radio & Records copies for years in the 80's until it got to be too much to store them. They were great reference material for careers of people you wanted to contact, too.

Whenever Radio & Records copies came into whichever station I was at, especially in the 80's or early 90's, whoever got them first, usually management, would drop whetever they were doing to read it. I can remember so many times when someone in management would come around showing off with pride something they got placed in Steet Talk or how we were mentioned in an article.
 
radi0active said:
Doesn't it really just speak to the fact that nearly everything in the magazine could be found elsewhere, and for free? Unless you're really jonesing for some pictures of musicians with small market PDs, it didn't have much exclusive content. Maybe it was important in the 70s, but not today.
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Only in the last 10 years or so has R&R lost its importance (since the development of websites like this). Prior to that, Radio and Records was the bible of the ENTIRE radio industry, no matter the size of market. Every executive, including CEO's of radio companies, air personalities and most others on the programming side of the station that I knew wanted to get their hands on it as soon as it came out. They would drop whatever they were doing and read it nearly from cover to cover. Radio and Records was the one and only true source of news about the radio industry for decades. If you don't understand that, you haven't lived radio. PERIOD.
 
DavidEduardo said:
Hunter said:
Difficult times.
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I remember collecting the 70's Radio and Records, and referring to them often as thought starters for promotions and such. The early conventions were fun, almost a club-like environment.

More than a sign of the times, it says something about what radio is today versus what it was in the 70's and 80's. There is a message there, although I am not sure what it is... and, of course, it says something about the sorry state of the music business, too.
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All it says to me is R&R got beat at the game they built. They didn't adapt to the electronic delivery of news, charts, ratings analysis, etc. fast enough or deep enough. I know they've been downsized in staff but they haven't been much of a news breaker as of late, either. Other sites, such as All Access, have been much friendlier and easier to contact in publishing rumors and providing constant news updates no matter the size of the market. They just got boring and were not providing content you could not find elsewhere as of late. There will be a sentimental loss or miss of what they provided but in reality, there are so many others out there, including this site, that are much more interesting and on the cutting edge vs. what they were offering.
 
David,

Do you still have those issues from the 1970s?

The old Tanner/Media General company here in Memphis would give me the back issues at the end of the year when I was still a teenager. I have almost a complete collection from 1982 to 1989 when Media General sold that division to TM Century in Dallas.

The only library I know of that has a complete run of Radio & Records is the Country Music Foundation Library in Nashville.
 
briancraig said:
David,

Do you still have those issues from the 1970s?

The old Tanner/Media General company here in Memphis would give me the back issues at the end of the year when I was still a teenager. I have almost a complete collection from 1982 to 1989 when Media General sold that division to TM Century in Dallas.

The only library I know of that has a complete run of Radio & Records is the Country Music Foundation Library in Nashville.
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Radio and Records also has a complete run of their own news magazine. They were begging for 70's and 80's issues a number of years ago and got them. Some of them were mine. I don't know what will become of them.
 
4UH8SIMBKAGN said:
All it says to me is R&R got beat at the game they built. They didn't adapt to the electronic delivery of news, charts, ratings analysis, etc. fast enough or deep enough. I know they've been downsized in staff but they haven't been much of a news breaker as of late, either. Other sites, such as All Access, have been much friendlier and easier to contact in publishing rumors and providing constant news updates no matter the size of the market. They just got boring and were not providing content you could not find elsewhere as of late. There will be a sentimental loss or miss of what they provided but in reality, there are so many others out there, including this site, that are much more interesting and on the cutting edge vs. what they were offering.
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This is the signal of an important milestone for the industry...unfortuantely not a good one. While this seems to come as a shock, it cannot be unexpected, and your post sums up their situation. R&R was such a must read during the 70's - 90's....they strived to always be up to the minute with breaking news...especially for something delivered by mail....they didn't see the obvious advantages of the internet and now they are replaced by AllAccess. The radio industry....or rather the audio media industry needs to take notice. You no longer need a transmitter to effectively reach a target.
 
I was a charter subscriber from issue #1 until I jumped the fence to TV in 1981. And even after that, if I ran across a copy of R&R (on the newsstand, at a friend's office or home), I'd read it.

David's right about the R&R conventions. Doubly sad...the site of the '79 (and maybe other years) convention, the Century Plaza Hotel, is slated for demolition after only 43 years in existence.

Nielsen has made hundreds of issues of Billboard available through Google Book Search. Hopefully the back issues of R&R will get a similar (but more thorough) treatment.

---Michael Hagerty
 
Michael, thx for the heads up on all the older Billboard issues available FOR FREE online:

http://books.google.com/books?id=jhQEAAAAMBAJ&dq=billboard&lr=&as_brr=0

Truly a great find :)
As for older Radio & Records issues, I hope that gets added as well (same goes for Gavin Report, Hits Magazine, and Music & Media)
I'm gonna try to head to the library located at the Country Music Hall of Fame here in Nashville in the coming days to see if it's true that they have copies of every R&R magazine.
 
The reason I would buy and later subscribe to R&R was for the Rhythmic chart and the station playlist/adds, especially from KPWR, KSFM, WLUM, etc. Its a good thing I made copies of the playlists and charts from R&R at Marquette University in the late 1980s. Now it looks like I'll have to find them at my mother's house in Milwaukee, since I know she haven't thrown away anything since I left Wisconsin.

If you want to find the R&Rs from the 1990s, you might want to take a trip to Phoenix, since the Public Library there does keep back issues as far as ten years the last time I visited the place, even though I'm not so sure if they're still there. BTW they do keep old issues of TV Guide as far back as 1973 in that same section where the older issues of R&R is.
 
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