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Can Denver handle an all news format?
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I believe there is one on 92.5 HD3, but can't be streamed.
No. I have lived in this market since 1987. Denver is not a major enough market to support an all news with a staff of reporters.
The format has been tried so many times. It make little profit. I think you would pay more a month in the electric bill for a 5KW station then you would make in net profit running an all news. As my old boss told me when he sold his station for a 700% profit, "There is always a bigger fool ready to buy you station and change the format".
The format has been tried so many times. It make little profit. I think you would pay more a month in the electric bill for a 5KW station then you would make in net profit running an all news. As my old boss told me when he sold his station for a 700% profit, "There is always a bigger fool ready to buy you station and change the format".
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Colorado Springs is SMALLER than Denver yet it has an all-news outlet on the main HD channel - KRDO-FM NewsChannel 105.5HudsonValley1967 said:
So to assert that Denver couldn't support such a format simply isn't true. What IS true is that no one (Aside from CBS & later Wilkes on the aforementioned HD3 subchannel) has had the balls to do it (Note I DO NOT count KOA Radio as a news radio outlet even though they have a large news department since most of what they air are Talk shows)
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Pat Cook said:Colorado Springs is SMALLER than Denver yet it has an all-news outlet on the main HD channel - KRDO-FM NewsChannel 105.5
So to assert that Denver couldn't support such a format simply isn't true. What IS true is that no one (Aside from CBS & later Wilkes on the aforementioned HD3 subchannel) has had the balls to do it (Note I DO NOT count KOA Radio as a news radio outlet even though they have a large news department since most of what they air are Talk shows)
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Perusing the schedule posted on their website, I see that KRDO radio carries Clark Howard, Dave Ramsey, a nightly talk show from the Wall Street Journal, George Noory overnights, and a sprinkling of America's Radio News. With just 6.5 hours a day of local radio news or KRDO-TV news simulcasts, I just can't buy KRDO as an "all-news" outlet.
To do real "All News" like they have in Chicago (WBBM) of in San Francisco with KCBS...would take major investment and commitment...as they are 24 hours live with Anchors and even reporters in some cases.
No one in the current climate, and with the current operators in Denver (Clear Channel, Entercom, Wilks) would spend that kind of money, and more important be patient enough for it to work.
Some say Denver is not large enough for a 24 hour all news operation...I disagree a bit, but yes, Denver not "open" 24 hours day like NYC or many of the major cities in the US.
And yea "KRUDDO" is not all news...when you carry talk programming, it makes use News/Talk ala KOA.
No one in the current climate, and with the current operators in Denver (Clear Channel, Entercom, Wilks) would spend that kind of money, and more important be patient enough for it to work.
Some say Denver is not large enough for a 24 hour all news operation...I disagree a bit, but yes, Denver not "open" 24 hours day like NYC or many of the major cities in the US.
And yea "KRUDDO" is not all news...when you carry talk programming, it makes use News/Talk ala KOA.
Houston, a much larger market, finds KROI News 92 FM pulling a 0.8 in the latest book. Flipped to the format with a lot of high powered local news folk back in November. Frankly, that surprises me. However with Denver being the only metro area for basically 600 miles around or more, it might work. Still is though, and always has been, an expensive format. Would need to be a group owner with a commitment to journalism. Good luck finding that in 2012.
Radio reporters? Not in this market. They would be paid by the owners less then a MA school crossing-guard (about $32,000).
Lets see: BA in Journalism From DU-figure $120K, good pipes, an ability to dig for news and not just rip (sorry I started in radio operating a UPI news machine with static chains that hung to the floor) and read. Forget all-news in Denver. In the last half of the 20th Century I am glad I heard the best: WCBS, KNX, WTOP, KRLD, WBBM. This Century, local radio news will be done by the NPR affiliates and Community Non-Profit Radio. Sorry to all that were not around in all-news era of 1967 ( when WCBS went all news instead of playing "American Airlines Music Till Dawn") to about 2000. You missed something special.
Lets see: BA in Journalism From DU-figure $120K, good pipes, an ability to dig for news and not just rip (sorry I started in radio operating a UPI news machine with static chains that hung to the floor) and read. Forget all-news in Denver. In the last half of the 20th Century I am glad I heard the best: WCBS, KNX, WTOP, KRLD, WBBM. This Century, local radio news will be done by the NPR affiliates and Community Non-Profit Radio. Sorry to all that were not around in all-news era of 1967 ( when WCBS went all news instead of playing "American Airlines Music Till Dawn") to about 2000. You missed something special.
Don't forget KCBS...and what do all those calls have in common?
All CBS owned properties...at least now.
All CBS owned properties...at least now.
Interloper said:
Don't forget the granddaddy of all-news radio, WINS New York. Group W made the bold move to take WINS all news in April '65, more than two years before WCBS. Who knew in 1965 that three decades later, both stations would be owned by CBS! Both are still all news stations today.
All news only seems to be successful in older markets in the Northeast and Midwest, the only exception being San Francisco (KCBS). Despite the growth of markets in the South and West, all news could never get a foothold in those markets.
I remember visiting Denver as a kid in '67.
I lived in the NYC area, and listened to WINS a lot.
Denver DID have an all news station in the summer of 67, I don't remember the frequency or calls
but they did have what seemed to be accopella sweepers to announce sports, headlines, and weather, almost like jingles. Anyone remember this station?
I lived in the NYC area, and listened to WINS a lot.
Denver DID have an all news station in the summer of 67, I don't remember the frequency or calls
but they did have what seemed to be accopella sweepers to announce sports, headlines, and weather, almost like jingles. Anyone remember this station?
recto101 said:
And considering CBS got out of Denver about 5 years ago due to wanting to focus on its major markets, they won't buy back in to do a news station, or any station.
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I think the porblem with all news stations is they are a continus loop. Stations like WBZ in Boston, KYW in Philadelphia, WINS in New York, ect. you can hear everything in about 10 minutes then it just loops back around and you hear the same information again.
Big Hugh said:
Actually Hugh, that is not correct.
Most the All News stations, especially the CBS owned, do not repeat stories in the same hour, unless it is breaking news, or to follow up on a story that has changed.
The problem with all news has nothing really to do with the news, but rather the need for operations to make a profit...which most all news stations do, but to run them correctly it takes a lot of investment, and most radio operators do not want to spend that kind of money to do it, or at least do it right. Ironically when they try to do it, but on the cheap, then they just reinforce their notion that all news cannot be done successfully, or it does not make enough money...forgetting they didn't invest in the talent and tools to make it successful.
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