Allen Handelman & WRDU..And John-boy & Billy

[bobdeb87]

After 12 years on WRDU, Handelman's show aired on that station for the last time in early May after the station's program director, Jimmy Tidwell, and Clear Channel Regional Vice President of Programming Jon Robbins decided to cancel it, citing a ratings decline. Mr Tidwell is quoted as saying...'For some reason, I think (Robbins) just doesn't really believe that talk radio or conversation really belongs on a rock station.'" Bob Edwards former program director is quoted as saying Allan's show always brought really strong ratings to the radio station." He says the talk format "worked fine. It definitely spoke to the audience of the station, covering anything from pure entertainment to pocketbook politics issues." ( thanks to a article by B Y F I O N A M O R G A N )
So My Question is 2 part......1st..Why was a interview with Tom Cruise on the other night ?????
2ndly Why oh why is Jonh-boy & billy still on in the mornings?? Since talk radio or conersation don't belong on a rock station??????
So would Mr Tidwell or Jon Robbins please explain that one !!!!


<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by bobdeb87 on 06/29/05 06:12 AM.</FONT></P>

 

[rockthisworld]

> After 12 years on WRDU, Handelman's show aired on that
> station for the last time in early May after the station's
> program director, Jimmy Tidwell, and Clear Channel Regional
> Vice President of Programming Jon Robbins decided to cancel
> it, citing a ratings decline. Mr Tidwell is quoted as
> saying...'For some reason, I think (Robbins) just doesn't
> really believe that talk radio or conversation really
> belongs on a rock station.'" Bob Edwards former program
> director is quoted as saying Allan's show always brought
> really strong ratings to the radio station." He says the
> talk format "worked fine. It definitely spoke to the
> audience of the station, covering anything from pure
> entertainment to pocketbook politics issues." ( thanks to a
> article by B Y F I O N A M O R G A N )
> So My Question is 2 part......1st..Why was a interview with
> Tom Cruise on the other night ?????
> 2ndly Why oh why is Jonh-boy & billy still on in the
> mornings?? Since talk radio or conersation don't belong on a
> rock station??????
> So would Mr Tidwell or Jon Robbins please explain that one
> !!!!

Um, well, first, John Boy and Billy haven't been on that station in probably 3 years, if not more. They were on 100.7, where they managed to kill that station, and now they're on 96rock. Bob and Tom are on 106.1, but everyone talks in the morning, so it doesn't really seem all that out of place to me.<P ID="signature">______________

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[bobdeb87]

> > After 12 years on WRDU, Handelman's show aired on that
> > station for the last time in early May after the station's
>
> > program director, Jimmy Tidwell, and Clear Channel
> Regional
> > Vice President of Programming Jon Robbins decided to
> cancel
> > it, citing a ratings decline. Mr Tidwell is quoted as
> > saying...'For some reason, I think (Robbins) just doesn't
> > really believe that talk radio or conversation really
> > belongs on a rock station.'" Bob Edwards former program
> > director is quoted as saying Allan's show always brought
> > really strong ratings to the radio station." He says the
> > talk format "worked fine. It definitely spoke to the
> > audience of the station, covering anything from pure
> > entertainment to pocketbook politics issues." ( thanks to
> a
> > article by B Y F I O N A M O R G A N )
> > So My Question is 2 part......1st..Why was a interview
> with
> > Tom Cruise on the other night ?????
> > 2ndly Why oh why is Jonh-boy & billy still on in the
> > mornings?? Since talk radio or conersation don't belong on
> a
> > rock station??????
> > So would Mr Tidwell or Jon Robbins please explain that
> one
> > !!!!
>
> Um, well, first, John Boy and Billy haven't been on that
> station in probably 3 years, if not more. They were on
> 100.7, where they managed to kill that station, and now
> they're on 96rock. Bob and Tom are on 106.1, but everyone
> talks in the morning, so it doesn't really seem all that out
> of place to me.
>
Sorry about the john-boy and Billy ....But talk radio is talk radio...And 1 more thing ..I thought that a station was supposed to be responsive to the needs of the community it served? And if it was not ...Can't you complain to the FCC..And doesn't that affect there license renewl? To me it seems what they done to Allen is censorship....(Remember the 1st amendment? ) You might not like what a person has to say ..But he has a right to say it !!!??? Maybe ..just maybe if Allen had not said anything about Satellite radio ...He still would be on WRDU...????!!!But that ain't Allen..He talks about what affects the Rock cult er AND WRDU DIDN'T LIKE IT!!

 

[Timothy]

> Sorry about the john-boy and Billy ....But talk radio is
> talk radio...And 1 more thing ..I thought that a station was
> supposed to be responsive to the needs of the community it
> served? And if it was not ...Can't you complain to the
> FCC..And doesn't that affect there license renewl? To me it
> seems what they done to Allen is censorship....(Remember the
> 1st amendment? ) You might not like what a person has to say
> ..But he has a right to say it !!!??? Maybe ..just maybe if
> Allen had not said anything about Satellite radio ...He
> still would be on WRDU...????!!!But that ain't Allen..He
> talks about what affects the Rock cult er AND WRDU DIDN'T
> LIKE IT!!

Handleman is free to sepak, but no entity, corporate or otherwise, owes him air time.

The original idea of radio licenses was that the spectrum still belonged to the people and that stations had to be responsive to them. That fell by the wayside about 25 years ago, and has become less of a concern for the FCC behind fining people who cuss, Janet Jackson's breast, and half watt pirate stations.

I'm surprised there isn't a name change in the works to Federated Clear Channel.

 

[Keith_Lake]

Back when WRDU came on the air and picked up where WQDR left off, I thought that was a slick programming move for a new station. I listened to them all the time. 106.1 was THE rock station around here for many years.

Now after all the tinkering and fiddling and "improving" the station, they have finally succeeded in chasing off what was left of their audience. No one I've talked with recently admits to listening to it (EXCEPT for the Handelman show!). The wider format on 100.7 is a breath of fresh air, but it's only a matter of time before some out-of-town consultant comes in and wrecks it. Enjoy it while you can. That is, if you still listen to terrestrial radio.

Clear Channel can do whatever they want with WRDU. I'm not listening anymore so I honestly don't care. There are more important things in the world to get bent out of shape over.

KL

<a href="http://home.nc.rr.com/gttyson/lastradio.html">The Last Radio Station<a>

 

[rockthisworld]

> Back when WRDU came on the air and picked up where WQDR left
> off, I thought that was a slick programming move for a new
> station. I listened to them all the time. 106.1 was THE
> rock station around here for many years.
>
> Now after all the tinkering and fiddling and "improving" the
> station, they have finally succeeded in chasing off what was
> left of their audience. No one I've talked with recently
> admits to listening to it (EXCEPT for the Handelman show!).
> The wider format on 100.7 is a breath of fresh air, but it's
> only a matter of time before some out-of-town consultant
> comes in and wrecks it. Enjoy it while you can. That is,
> if you still listen to terrestrial radio.
>
> Clear Channel can do whatever they want with WRDU. I'm not
> listening anymore so I honestly don't care. There are more
> important things in the world to get bent out of shape over.
>
>
> KL
>
> The Last Radio Station
>

You do realize 100.7 is probably already the idea of someone out of town..

100.7 to me sounds exactly like what it is: Clear Channel trying to do AAA. They have no clue, no idea where to begin, and end up with nothing on the air. The station sucks. I'm sorry, but it does.

When they start sounding like The River in Boston or The Coast in Norfolk did, call me. I'll listen to them a little more.<P ID="signature">______________

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[cmatthews]

> Handleman is free to sepak, but no entity, corporate or
> otherwise, owes him air time.
>
> The original idea of radio licenses was that the spectrum
> still belonged to the people and that stations had to be
> responsive to them. That fell by the wayside about 25 years
> ago, and has become less of a concern for the FCC behind
> fining people who cuss, Janet Jackson's breast, and half
> watt pirate stations.
>
> I'm surprised there isn't a name change in the works to
> Federated Clear Channel.
>


Years and years ago companies/stations had to get FCC approval for a format and/or format flip.<P ID="signature">______________
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[awsherrill]

Huh?

> Years and years ago companies/stations had to get FCC
> approval for a format and/or format flip.

The FRC maybe, but the FCC very rarely, if ever, gets involved in approving radio formats. This has more or less been true since 1934.

One notable exception: a New York station changed from classical to hard rock in 1974. A citizens' group complained, and the FCC was eventually forced to require the station to change back to classical, although it took a trip to the Supreme Court.

In Canada, it is true that government approval is required for radio station format changes. Our FCC has always preferred to let radio programming be determined by market forces.

 

[bobdeb87]

> > Back when WRDU came on the air and picked up where WQDR
> left
> > off, I thought that was a slick programming move for a new
>
> > station. I listened to them all the time. 106.1 was THE
> > rock station around here for many years.
> >
> > Now after all the tinkering and fiddling and "improving"
> the
> > station, they have finally succeeded in chasing off what
> was
> > left of their audience. No one I've talked with recently
> > admits to listening to it (EXCEPT for the Handelman
> show!).
> > The wider format on 100.7 is a breath of fresh air, but
> it's
> > only a matter of time before some out-of-town consultant
> > comes in and wrecks it. Enjoy it while you can. That is,
>
> > if you still listen to terrestrial radio.

> >
> > Clear Channel can do whatever they want with WRDU. I'm
> not
> > listening anymore so I honestly don't care. There are
> more
> > important things in the world to get bent out of shape
> over.
> >
> >
> > KL
> >
> > The Last Radio Station
> >
>
> You do realize 100.7 is probably already the idea of someone
> out of town..
>
> 100.7 to me sounds exactly like what it is: Clear Channel
> trying to do AAA. They have no clue, no idea where to
> begin, and end up with nothing on the air. The station
> sucks. I'm sorry, but it does.
>
> When they start sounding like The River in Boston or The
> Coast in Norfolk did, call me. I'll listen to them a little
> more.
>

Well it seems like at least people are talking, Maybe WRDU just might rethink there position!!?? One more question to you fine folks.....ARE THEY GOING TO GET RID OF BOB & TOM ??Since talk radio don't belong on Rock radio!!??
It just seems to me that there talking out of both side's of there face!!!
Handelman made the mistake of actually talking about something that the public is talking about...that ticked off WRDU...WRDU felt threatened...So they put the blame on Handelman for there poor performance...I hope the sponsors take note of what is going on ...and pull there money away from them ..If more people where tuned in when Handelman was on ..The sponsors were getting there money worth...Now there not getting coverage for there money...AND YES I know Handelman made money off of air time on WRDU...So for punishment .He was yanked off the air....So as a CONSUMER Don't buy or eat or drink at the sponsors who do business with them...Ain't that the free market way?????????

 

[bjsguitarplayer]

Station Overlap with the River

I like the sound of 100.7, but the jingles need to go. The music is great, at least until Christmas. I know tons of people who think 100.7 has a cool sound, but the water might become dirty with time. I hear a lot of Police, REM, Dave Matthews, and other good hits from the 90's and 80's that other stations aren't playing. I don't depend on 100.7 for these songs though; whenever I hear something I like, I search the River's website, and download the song for myself, because I'm not expecting 100.7 to be around much longer.

just before noon yesterday, I heard a thirty second promo for Oldies 100.7 on 100.7; same voice and the same promo that WTRG used all the time. It went off the air, and the river returned.

Mistake?

Anyway, with 100.7 there is just more overlapped triangle radio. The river claims to be playing all the songs your iPod has, but 96Rock said the same thing yesterday afternoon. Both stations are really playing into one another, playing a lot of mellow alt rock, and 90's rock (Which I'm enjoying, for the record.) Even G105 is playing Coldplay, and more alt rock, Jimmie Eat World and The Chilli Peppers are groups I've heard in the last two weeks on G105, along with Vertical Horizon, and some REM.

I think it's great, but it's going to end soon. Though I'm noticing a lot of people -- from teens to middle age are enjoying light alt rock, and 90's and 80's music, sadly it won't go on forever.

To the first poster of this topic, If RDU flips, Bob and Tom would go with it.

And I will add on your behalf that Clear Channel rockers have a lot of talk shows. Most of their alt or actives have talk morning shows, and Loveline is played on the CC rockers I've listened for. I don't think this had anything to do with the amount of talk on the radio, mainly on a Sunday night.

 

[CCAlumni]

Re: Station Overlap with the River

> I like the sound of 100.7, but the jingles need to go. The
> music is great, at least until Christmas. I know tons of
> people who think 100.7 has a cool sound, but the water might
> become dirty with time. I hear a lot of Police, REM, Dave
> Matthews, and other good hits from the 90's and 80's that
> other stations aren't playing. I don't depend on 100.7 for
> these songs though; whenever I hear something I like, I
> search the River's website, and download the song for
> myself, because I'm not expecting 100.7 to be around much
> longer.
>
> just before noon yesterday, I heard a thirty second promo
> for Oldies 100.7 on 100.7; same voice and the same promo
> that WTRG used all the time. It went off the air, and the
> river returned.
>
> Mistake?
>
> Anyway, with 100.7 there is just more overlapped triangle
> radio. The river claims to be playing all the songs your
> iPod has, but 96Rock said the same thing yesterday
> afternoon. Both stations are really playing into one
> another, playing a lot of mellow alt rock, and 90's rock
> (Which I'm enjoying, for the record.) Even G105 is playing
> Coldplay, and more alt rock, Jimmie Eat World and The Chilli
> Peppers are groups I've heard in the last two weeks on G105,
> along with Vertical Horizon, and some REM.
>
> I think it's great, but it's going to end soon. Though I'm
> noticing a lot of people -- from teens to middle age are
> enjoying light alt rock, and 90's and 80's music, sadly it
> won't go on forever.
>
> To the first poster of this topic, If RDU flips, Bob and Tom
> would go with it.
>
> And I will add on your behalf that Clear Channel rockers
> have a lot of talk shows. Most of their alt or actives have
> talk morning shows, and Loveline is played on the CC rockers
> I've listened for. I don't think this had anything to do
> with the amount of talk on the radio, mainly on a Sunday
> night.
>
Interesting thread with some good points. Must agree with Owens that 100.7 won't last for long. A close friend who buys lots of advertising here says their sales staff is a joke, and isn't that pretty much the same group that couldn't sell oldies? The River has made 96.1 a better station and I find myslef listening more and more to them. As for WRDU, nobody has really undestood how to run that station since the mid-90's. Sad. As for Handelman...I would like to see someone have the stones to put him on a talk station.

 

[rockthisworld]

Re: Station Overlap with the River

> I like the sound of 100.7, but the jingles need to go.

What jingles?<P ID="signature">______________

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[Talker]

Sorry, but the censorship of Allen is legal! The First Amendment prevents the US Congress from making laws the restrict speech. ("Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."). A private business can restrict speech in any day.

Further, the FCC does not get into programming decisions like this one.

 

[Talker]

If you guys think Clear Channel, or any other broadcaster, will make a change becuase of a few people on a discussion board - you are really clueless!

What I want to know, is how much revenue Handleman brought to the station? That's what it is all about these days.

 

[Timothy]

Re: Station Overlap with the River

I had something interesting happen on the way home from Virginia this weekend. 97.9 WTRG was showing up on my RDS radio. I hit the info button, and it gave out 100.7 The River as the info.

Weird.

 

[cmatthews]

> Well it seems like at least people are talking, Maybe WRDU
> just might rethink there position!!?? One more question to
> you fine folks.....ARE THEY GOING TO GET RID OF BOB & TOM
> ??Since talk radio don't belong on Rock radio!!??
> It just seems to me that there talking out of both side's of
> there face!!!
> Handelman made the mistake of actually talking about
> something that the public is talking about...that ticked off
> WRDU...WRDU felt threatened...So they put the blame on
> Handelman for there poor performance...I hope the sponsors
> take note of what is going on ...and pull there money away
> from them ..If more people where tuned in when Handelman was
> on ..The sponsors were getting there money worth...Now there
> not getting coverage for there money...AND YES I know
> Handelman made money off of air time on WRDU...So for
> punishment .He was yanked off the air....So as a CONSUMER
> Don't buy or eat or drink at the sponsors who do business
> with them...Ain't that the free market way?????????
>


Allan's a buddy of mine. I just talked to him two weeks ago.
Handelman's show was free to RDU. No cost involved. Many spots after 7pm, especially on the weekend, are either $25 a pop (just a figure I pulled out), barter, trade, or value added. I don't believe Allan's show brought RDU that much revenue. When I left RDU in November (after 5 years) Handelman wasn't sponsored. The issue for the show being cut was, allegedly, the content of a particular show having to do with satellite radio. On that program was XM honcho Lee Abrams - who in 1974 @ 20 years of age is credited with creating the AOR format. Abrams was PD of WQDR in it's intial years.<P ID="signature">______________
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[cmatthews]

Re: Station Overlap with the River

> just before noon yesterday, I heard a thirty second promo
> for Oldies 100.7 on 100.7; same voice and the same promo
> that WTRG used all the time. It went off the air, and the
> river returned.
>
> Mistake?

Yeah, a mistake. Somehow an archived promo must've been made Active and got on the air. Even "activated" the promo would have to have been either hard coded to the master clock in Prophet, or was pulled from Selector before something new was recorded on that cart number. That's pretty big faux pas! ALL WTRG imaging should've been deleted, from active and archive files (#53000 range).


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[cmatthews]

Re: Station Overlap with the River

> As for Handelman...I would
> like to see someone have the stones to put him on a talk
> station.
>


Allan and I discussed just that. I think FM talk would be perfect for him. I had him contact a PD friend in Albuquerque. Not sure if he'll be signed. There's two syndicators I'm aware of that are interested in Allan's show, so hopefully he'll start getting some marketing outside of the JB&B Network of stations that tend to carry the show.<P ID="signature">______________
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[bjsguitarplayer]

Re: Station Overlap with the River

> > just before noon yesterday, I heard a thirty second promo
> > for Oldies 100.7 on 100.7; same voice and the same promo
> > that WTRG used all the time. It went off the air, and the
> > river returned.
> >
> > Mistake?
>
> Yeah, a mistake. Somehow an archived promo must've been made
> Active and got on the air. Even "activated" the promo would
> have to have been either hard coded to the master clock in
> Prophet, or was pulled from Selector before something new
> was recorded on that cart number. That's pretty big faux
> pas! ALL WTRG imaging should've been deleted, from active
> and archive files (#53000 range).
>
Kind of funny, really. The station that was never going off the air (as of this time last year) came back for thirty seconds.

I thought it might mean something huge was about to happen, though.

 

[cmatthews]

Re: Station Overlap with the River

> > > just before noon yesterday, I heard a thirty second
> promo
> > > for Oldies 100.7 on 100.7; same voice and the same promo
>
> > > that WTRG used all the time. It went off the air, and
> the
> > > river returned.
> > >
> > > Mistake?
> >
> > Yeah, a mistake. Somehow an archived promo must've been
> made
> > Active and got on the air. Even "activated" the promo
> would
> > have to have been either hard coded to the master clock in
>
> > Prophet, or was pulled from Selector before something new
> > was recorded on that cart number. That's pretty big faux
> > pas! ALL WTRG imaging should've been deleted, from active
> > and archive files (#53000 range).
> >
> Kind of funny, really. The station that was never going off
> the air (as of this time last year) came back for thirty
> seconds.
>
> I thought it might mean something huge was about to happen,
> though.
>

do you recall what the promo was for?<P ID="signature">______________
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