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Aloha Mix 1065?

The Brian and Joe situation is another sticking point, here. I haven't seen the numbers, but I presume B&J do more than well enough for 106.5, and I don't get the feeling that CC wants to jettison their show.

If the "greater good" for the cluster is to move Kiss to 106.5, there may be no choice. Elvis Duran would come with the station. B&J may be too old for a top 40 audience - at least chronologically.

I'm not sure there's a place to put them if "Mix" hits the road...somewhere on the schedule on 105.7, waiting it out until Lanigan's retirement?
 
Here is this thought.

Say they move KISS over to 106.5, and to make money...which BAIN needs to do, they lean it much older CHR, something that moms and daughters can enjoy, ala STAR 94 Atlanta

Elvis Duran in the morning
Ryan Seacrest 10-1
Brian and Joe in the afternoon
Kasper at night
 
"I'm not sure there's a place to put them (Brian and Joe) if 'Mix' hits the road...somewhere on the schedule on 105.7, waiting it out until Lanigan's retirement?"


Seems to me Brian and Joe are the obvious choice for the replacement of Lanigan and Malone when Lanigan retires, which probably won't be long from now. Malone reportedly has no interest in staying after Lanigan leaves.

A possible scenario is to park Brian and Joe someplace on the Majic schedule, and switch them over to AM drive when Lanigan leaves.
 
If they keep the same format and put Brian & Joe in the same slot as Lanigan, I think it will drive away what few listeners WMJI has left. Now if they change the format, and stick Brian & Joe in there, it might work, depending on the format. I've listened to B & J before [although it's been a while] and ended up turning them off, just wasn't my cup of tea, just seemed too juvenile to me. Malone might change his mind if they offer him a large chunk of change to stay [and all the Purell he could use]......but I doubt if they will seeing as how it sounds like they gave most of the moolah to Rover. And switching them to AM drive....I assume that's a typo and you meant FM drive.
 
No, I meant "AM drive" as in the time slot, not as in the radio band. :)

I don't know what Oak Tree's plans are for Brian and Joe. They've been there forever, it would seem. I also don't know what they plan to do with WMJI after Lanigan rides off into the sunset.

But all the rumblings I've heard would indicate that the 'MJI morning crew will exit the stage along with Lanigan, whenever that happens...
 
HHH said:
"I'm not sure there's a place to put them (Brian and Joe) if 'Mix' hits the road...somewhere on the schedule on 105.7, waiting it out until Lanigan's retirement?"


Seems to me Brian and Joe are the obvious choice for the replacement of Lanigan and Malone when Lanigan retires, which probably won't be long from now. Malone reportedly has no interest in staying after Lanigan leaves.

A possible scenario is to park Brian and Joe someplace on the Majic schedule, and switch them over to AM drive when Lanigan leaves.
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That would be the final nail in the coffin of a station already hurting outside of AM drive. Brian and Joe replacing Lanigan...just flip the station and be done with it.
 
I don't know how this directly involves whatever happens to Brian and Joe, but I think it's pretty much assumed that anything can happen at 105.7 after Lanigan rides off into retirement sunset.
 
VODood said:
SonoSational18 said:
"But isn't CHR a 18-34 target, specifically W18-34, not P25-54?"

Yes.... but in a market the size of Cleveland you won't be a top biller unless you've got a very strong 25-54 component. Not enough 12-24 avails in a market this size to get you the big bucks.
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I don't know any women...or anyone... over 38 (I'm 40) who listens to CHR.
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Then you don't know any cool 40 year old women. Listen to the callers on a CHR morning show. Many are in that demo. Do you think that when they turn 38 they just stop trying to stay current and slip into granny panties?
 
OhioMediaWatch said:
No, I meant "AM drive" as in the time slot, not as in the radio band. :)

I don't know what Oak Tree's plans are for Brian and Joe. They've been there forever, it would seem. I also don't know what they plan to do with WMJI after Lanigan rides off into the sunset.

But all the rumblings I've heard would indicate that the 'MJI morning crew will exit the stage along with Lanigan, whenever that happens...
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The latter is obvious. Malone and Kullik have had other successful side jobs for quite some time, Laurie Hovater is overextended at both WGAR and WMJI under the WTAM umbrella, and Tracey Carroll can be reassigned elsewhere. Ditto for whomever took over as sportscaster... I forgot. :-[

I'm not in favor of Brian & Joe scooting over to WMJI (they'd be better off defecting to Q104, IMHO) though I've had the feeling that such a move could and would happen. And if it did, the outcome is obvious: the oldies/classic hits format would be the real "victim" here, as WMJI assumes the HAC format from 106.5.

Little to no overhead on that: B & J, Jay Hudson and Daune Robinson would scoot over to WMJI and join Action Jackson, while Chuck Collier sticks with WGAR. And yet, they still keep the "Majic" banner (you REALLY think it would become "Mix 105.7?" C'mon...)

Sadly, it is true: the oldies format is pretty much dead in Cleveland. And that's a goddam shame.
 
Radaioman said:
VODood said:
SonoSational18 said:
"But isn't CHR a 18-34 target, specifically W18-34, not P25-54?"

Yes.... but in a market the size of Cleveland you won't be a top biller unless you've got a very strong 25-54 component. Not enough 12-24 avails in a market this size to get you the big bucks.
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I don't know any women...or anyone... over 38 (I'm 40) who listens to CHR.
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Then you don't know any cool 40 year old women. Listen to the callers on a CHR morning show. Many are in that demo. Do you think that when they turn 38 they just stop trying to stay current and slip into granny panties?
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They're on to HAC stations by 38-40 b/c like most they don't stay current with trends or music.
 
Nathan Obral said:
OhioMediaWatch said:
No, I meant "AM drive" as in the time slot, not as in the radio band. :)

I don't know what Oak Tree's plans are for Brian and Joe. They've been there forever, it would seem. I also don't know what they plan to do with WMJI after Lanigan rides off into the sunset.

But all the rumblings I've heard would indicate that the 'MJI morning crew will exit the stage along with Lanigan, whenever that happens...
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The latter is obvious. Malone and Kullik have had other successful side jobs for quite some time, Laurie Hovater is overextended at both WGAR and WMJI under the WTAM umbrella, and Tracey Carroll can be reassigned elsewhere. Ditto for whomever took over as sportscaster... I forgot. :-[

I'm not in favor of Brian & Joe scooting over to WMJI (they'd be better off defecting to Q104, IMHO) though I've had the feeling that such a move could and would happen. And if it did, the outcome is obvious: the oldies/classic hits format would be the real "victim" here, as WMJI assumes the HAC format from 106.5.

Little to no overhead on that: B & J, Jay Hudson and Daune Robinson would scoot over to WMJI and join Action Jackson, while Chuck Collier sticks with WGAR. And yet, they still keep the "Majic" banner (you REALLY think it would become "Mix 105.7?" C'mon...)

Sadly, it is true: the oldies format is pretty much dead in Cleveland. And that's a goddam shame.
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WMJI still does well in ratings and revenue. I still believe it to be the #1 $$$ maker for CC Cleveland. If that's incorrect please let me know.

WMJI's ratings are quite respectable. Are they the same as we've seen in past years? No. Middays is slipping and that's no real fault of Chuck Collier who is VT'd. Even so WMJI is still Top 5 P25-54 in middays. Add a live daypart and re-tool it...maybe bring back Biz-To-Biz trivia and the Majic Mystery Oldie, plus of course there's the music and lame imaging...and the imaging voice. Gawd awful.

IMO PM drive is the achille's heel. It's bringing the station down. Nothing personal against Action but he should be replaced. Hell, I'd bring back Scott Howitt, who in 11 years never went below #3 P25-54. Years ago you say? Perhaps. But I'll bet anyone that the numbers jump for more than two books with Scott on the air. With Kevin now gone perhaps CC Cleveland gets better PM drive talent on both WMJI and WGAR?

AND with Kevin gone perhaps someone with better knowledge of the music and the market's history will be able to "right" the station. The music is all over the place.

Sadly, the best music mix comes from Gary Bryan's "Into the 60s" show.
 
Majic still fares extremely well in Cleveland. And it still makes quite a bit of money, maybe not as much as it once did in the past, but it still does well. Could they tweak it to Classic Hits? Im certain thats been passed around a time or two, but overall they are doing well.

I think if you do keep a form of CHR on 106.5..Bain is going to want it to grow up a little bit. The current Kiss incarnation is there to take a leg off of WENZ. Its doing okay, but not gangbusters. If they keep CHR on 106.5, its going to sound much older and recurrent based, fewer rhythmic titles, more of a mainstream 28-35 year old female based station "Star 94 Atlanta".

Brian and Joe would be the perfect fit for afternoons on the new incarnation of 106.5
 
kentuckymedia said:
Majic still fares extremely well in Cleveland. And it still makes quite a bit of money, maybe not as much as it once did in the past, but it still does well. Could they tweak it to Classic Hits? Im certain thats been passed around a time or two, but overall they are doing well.

I think if you do keep a form of CHR on 106.5..Bain is going to want it to grow up a little bit. The current Kiss incarnation is there to take a leg off of WENZ. Its doing okay, but not gangbusters. If they keep CHR on 106.5, its going to sound much older and recurrent based, fewer rhythmic titles, more of a mainstream 28-35 year old female based station "Star 94 Atlanta".

Brian and Joe would be the perfect fit for afternoons on the new incarnation of 106.5
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WMJI IS classic hits. Certainly not "oldies" playing Springsteen and Mellencamp.
 
kentuckymedia said:
Majic still fares extremely well in Cleveland. And it still makes quite a bit of money, maybe not as much as it once did in the past, but it still does well. Could they tweak it to Classic Hits? Im certain thats been passed around a time or two, but overall they are doing well.

I think if you do keep a form of CHR on 106.5..Bain is going to want it to grow up a little bit. The current Kiss incarnation is there to take a leg off of WENZ. Its doing okay, but not gangbusters. If they keep CHR on 106.5, its going to sound much older and recurrent based, fewer rhythmic titles, more of a mainstream 28-35 year old female based station "Star 94 Atlanta".

Brian and Joe would be the perfect fit for afternoons on the new incarnation of 106.5
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I disagree.

The last time Brian & Joe went to afternoons, it didn't work. The reasoning may have made sense... they never were really cut out for the NextGen format - in AMD, no less - but the flameout that was Liz Wilde didn't help matters.

Yes, the ratings may have been decent, but they've been a morning act for forever and a day. Again, they really didn't fit in. It was kinda obvious when they bolted WMMS to go to Mix 106.5, because 1) WMVX had a morning drive vacancy, 2) they likely still felt slighted by the move to afternoons, and 3) Jacor had taken over WMMS, and no one knew if the station was going to stay on the air.

Does anyone REALLY think that they would leave their morning perch in favor of ELVIS DURAN? Let's be realistic here. They would probably bolt for Q104 before that happens. And, given Skippy's past association with them at 106.5, it would not shock me in the least...
 
VODood said:
WMJI IS classic hits. Certainly not "oldies" playing Springsteen and Mellencamp.
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This might be a good spot to ask you for a one or two sentence description delineating the difference between "oldies" and "classic hits".

There are obvious differences, but I'd like your take on it...and for that matter, the difference between classic hits and "classic rock". Springsteen and Mellencamp are staples of the latter, but WMJI is not a classic rocker...
 
OhioMediaWatch said:
VODood said:
WMJI IS classic hits. Certainly not "oldies" playing Springsteen and Mellencamp.
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This might be a good spot to ask you for a one or two sentence description delineating the difference between "oldies" and "classic hits".

There are obvious differences, but I'd like your take on it...and for that matter, the difference between classic hits and "classic rock". Springsteen and Mellencamp are staples of the latter, but WMJI is not a classic rocker...
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Well...that is the million dollar question.

IMHO....Classic hits is no 50s, 60s pop "Beatles forward" including some Brit Invasion, 70s pop and classic rock maybe light 80s.

Allmans and Skynyrd were being played on WGAR-AM in the 70s when it was Top 40.

It's "light" classic rock. Including Boston, Allmans, Skynyrd, BTO, 3 Dog Night, and more. Add in late pop 60s, 70s and early 80s. Classic hits.

Oldies, as we've known it the last 30 years has always been 1956-1979. These days "oldies" is, depending on the market, most likely a core of 1968-1975, going as early as 1964 and up to 1982, depending more on "texture" not era definition.


Springsteen actually doesn't test well in most markets outside of the east coast and midwest. He's big in Cleveland thanks to Kid Leo and WMMS. Here in Toledo you will only hear one or two Bruce tunes on "classic rock" 94-5 WXKR (heard in Lorain county). Usually "Born To Run" or "Tenth Avenue Freeze Out". MAYBE "Jungleland", but that's it.

WXKR is more of a classic hits. It plays Elton John, CCR and The Hollies. ...not a balls out "classic rock that really rocks". WXKR competes with sister "oldies" WRQN moreso than CC's maintstream rock WIOT. Half the time I'm listening to WXKR or WRQN I think it's the other station, musically of course. Add in CC's AC WRVF "The River" where you'll hear Mellencamp, Bruce, Boston and even Aerosmith along with Dave Matthews and lighter AC fare...and one can get confused :'(

Mellencamp, these days, is more AC/Classic hits than classic rock. Save for a few titles.

It's a fine line and open to one's interpretation.

A very well done classic hits is KKLZ/Las Vegas. Listen to that then listen to WMJI, then to KOOL/Phoenix and WOMC/Detroit. You'll get an idea between oldies and classic hits.

Also classic hits WJJK/Indianapolis, programmed by a buddy of mine. It's got CC's WFBQ on the ropes and about to K.O. the station. Listen to WJJK...that's a classic hits station.

The formatic lines are blending more and more these days. The format "names" are just that anymore....only us radio geeks know what they are.
 
Here's my brief "non-music programmer impression":

To me, "classic hits" feels like oldies opened up to the newer "oldies". It seems to the natural progression for stations like WMJI, which have to stem off demo erosion at the older end on the FM dial.

"Oldies", in 2008, feels to me like the station is trying to hold the line on going too "new". And then, of course, there's Scott Shannon-style so-called "real oldies", which feels to me like the station is shouting "we have the *real* oldies you won't find on those 'classic hits' stations'".

Examples: I don't expect to hear 50's stuff on a "classic hits" station. I don't expect to hear 80's stuff on an "oldies" station. But that's just my thought, and in practice, it varies.

Two prime examples of all this...the ABC/Citadel 24 hour satellite network once known as "Pure Gold", later known as "Oldies Radio", is now officially using the name "Classic Hits Radio" on the air. I haven't gone over their music playlist with a magnifying glass, but it seems to me they've gone with newer "oldies" as a natural format progression.

And just down the road from OMW World HQ, over in Warren, Beacon Broadcasting's WANR/1570 has also adopted the official, on-air name of "Classic Hits 1570". Last time I was over there, I heard them play, and no, I'm not making this up, the very recent Santana hit "Smooth". Does Santana get a "new song from classic hits act" pass? :)

I haven't been within WANR's signal range overnights, or their web stream hasn't worked, so I don't know if they are indeed running ABC/Citadel's "Classic Hits Radio" in off hours. I got the idea that they just run automated music after Johnny Rogers leaves the building at 6-ish. But if they are running the ABC format (and Beacon has a history running those formats), that might explain the on-air name change.
 
OhioMediaWatch said:
Here's my brief "non-music programmer impression":

To me, "classic hits" feels like oldies opened up to the newer "oldies". It seems to the natural progression for stations like WMJI, which have to stem off demo erosion at the older end on the FM dial.

"Oldies", in 2008, feels to me like the station is trying to hold the line on going too "new". And then, of course, there's Scott Shannon-style so-called "real oldies", which feels to me like the station is shouting "we have the *real* oldies you won't find on those 'classic hits' stations'".

Examples: I don't expect to hear 50's stuff on a "classic hits" station. I don't expect to hear 80's stuff on an "oldies" station. But that's just my thought, and in practice, it varies.

Two prime examples of all this...the ABC/Citadel 24 hour satellite network once known as "Pure Gold", later known as "Oldies Radio", is now officially using the name "Classic Hits Radio" on the air. I haven't gone over their music playlist with a magnifying glass, but it seems to me they've gone with newer "oldies" as a natural format progression.

And just down the road from OMW World HQ, over in Warren, Beacon Broadcasting's WANR/1570 has also adopted the official, on-air name of "Classic Hits 1570". Last time I was over there, I heard them play, and no, I'm not making this up, the very recent Santana hit "Smooth". Does Santana get a "new song from classic hits act" pass? :)

I haven't been within WANR's signal range overnights, or their web stream hasn't worked, so I don't know if they are indeed running ABC/Citadel's "Classic Hits Radio" in off hours. I got the idea that they just run automated music after Johnny Rogers leaves the building at 6-ish. But if they are running the ABC format (and Beacon has a history running those formats), that might explain the on-air name change.
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Like I said, it's all a blur anymore. And a name is just that, a name. A "classic" song can be any song, any era. How often do you hear ...."Dude, that song is a CLASSIC!". Could be any song. All perspective.

My programmer buddy at WJJK/Indy programs with very few rules on the music, then hand schedules. All has to do with sound and texture. No era definition. It's a harder classic hits than most. It's rocketing up in the ratings. Bob and Tom flagship WFBQ is looking at being unseated as the #1 rocker, and soundly.

"Classic rock", the format, didn't exist until about 1983 when it was "invented" by Fred Jacobs. Beatles, Stones, Cream, etc were all ROCK AND ROLL played on Top 40 back in the day. Even Black Sabbath and Zeppelin. ROCK AND ROLL. Jacobs comes along and redubbs those artists and more as "classic rock". How did he do that?

IMO, Kid Rock's "All Summer Long" is an "instant classic'. It's crossed to country, CHR, alt, mainstream rock and yes classic rock. His "Rock and Roll Jesus" album is presently the top seller nationwide, beating Madonna and Mariah's latest outings 8 to 1.

Would I play it on a pop classic hits like WMJI? No. Doesn't fit. Not with pop 60s Majic plays.


Just like a "classic car" (not historical). Open to interpretation.

A newer song by a "classic artist" can qualify. Depends on the flow of the station and whether the song fits texture wise, not era wise.
 
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