Aloha Mix 1065?

[tcsnrayp]

By jove, I think OMW has GOT it!

Here's my brief "non-music programmer impression":

To me, "classic hits" feels like oldies opened up to the newer "oldies". It seems to the natural progression for stations like WMJI, which have to stem off demo erosion at the older end on the FM dial.

"Oldies", in 2008, feels to me like the station is trying to hold the line on going too "new". And then, of course, there's Scott Shannon-style so-called "real oldies", which feels to me like the station is shouting "we have the *real* oldies you won't find on those 'classic hits' stations'".

Examples: I don't expect to hear 50's stuff on a "classic hits" station. I don't expect to hear 80's stuff on an "oldies" station. But that's just my thought, and in practice, it varies.

 

[nightfly61]

Most Oldies have done away with the "doo-wop" sound (as WMJI has). Their oldies are getting newer but the "Petula Clark, Twist & Shout & Little Anthony is still there...but so is "Walk of Life", "Rihannon" & mid-80's Billy Joel (which the later 3 I consider (Classic HITS)...you can't deny the crossovers like T-Rex, The Doors & Elton.
Classic Hits to me are more the HIT hits, like Chevy Van, Fool If You Think It's Over, Gerry Rafferty, and the like.
There's always gonna be crossovers to Classic Rock...like I WOULD play the Crystal Ship on CR but not Oldies but I WOULDN'T play Rocky Racoon on an Oldies that I do play Ticket To Ride on (unless it's Beatle Brunch or a feature) which gets another whole balla wax rollin.

 

[VODood]

Most Oldies have done away with the "doo-wop" sound (as WMJI has). Their oldies are getting newer but the "Petula Clark, Twist & Shout & Little Anthony is still there...but so is "Walk of Life", "Rihannon" & mid-80's Billy Joel (which the later 3 I consider (Classic HITS)...you can't deny the crossovers like T-Rex, The Doors & Elton.
Classic Hits to me are more the HIT hits, like Chevy Van, Fool If You Think It's Over, Gerry Rafferty, and the like.
There's always gonna be crossovers to Classic Rock...like I WOULD play the Crystal Ship on CR but not Oldies but I WOULDN'T play Rocky Racoon on an Oldies that I do play Ticket To Ride on (unless it's Beatle Brunch or a feature) which gets another whole balla wax rollin.

WMJI ....Keith Abrams... would do well to bring back PM driver Scott Howitt and Norm N Nite for weekends/specialty show.

Those two alone would increase ratings for the station in two key dayparts. Yes, weekends on an oldies station is key. Norm has the market equity to get ppl to listen at night on a Saturday or Sunday.


It's been almost 4 years now, but when I progammed WTRG/Raleigh NC our Sunday "At the Hop" program was Top 5 P25-54, #1 W35-54 and 35-64. I "borrowed" an idea from Norm.... I instituted his "Moonlight Memories" segment onto the Hop show, which played rock n roll from 1954-1963, including doo wop. MM was 10p-12m, and voicetracked. ALL ballads for the two hours, HAND scheduled by yours truly. Women increased 300 % in two books.

A Sunday night "deadzone", especially 10-12mid, turned into a must listen in Raleigh.

Raleigh has A LOT of transplants, making it tough to program. But most of those transplants are from the NYC area, Jersey, Philly, Boston, Pittsburgh, Cleveland, etc.

Doo wop and pre-63 music goes over big as the above folks were heavily influenced by their hometown oldies stations, as well as back in the day Top 40s like WFIL, WNBC, WABC, 13Q, WIXY, WHK, CKLW, and more.

I still believe pre-63 songs can play on today's pop classic hits/oldies. If scheduled right and presented in the proper manner.


Presentation is key. Big, fun imaging, promotions and most of all - talent.

ENTERTAIN the listener. SHOW BIZ is what's missing from many stations these days, especially oldies/chits. Most have been stripped of personality and sheen.

Entertain and "they" will listen.

 

[radiogeek07]

I don't know if this is next for Magic, but if 3ws in Pittsburgh serves as any clue, I heard AC/DC's "Shook me all night long" last night. I couldn't believe it. I mean, that's a major DVE hit. I don't know if that was a 1-time-thing or not. I know the imaging is awful over there. Oddly, they seem to be doing better in the ratings.

 

[VODood]

I don't know if this is next for Magic, but if 3ws in Pittsburgh serves as any clue, I heard AC/DC's "Shook me all night long" last night. I couldn't believe it. I mean, that's a major DVE hit. I don't know if that was a 1-time-thing or not. I know the imaging is awful over there. Oddly, they seem to be doing better in the ratings.

I heard "The Mike Harvey Show" playing "Shook Me" a few weeks back. Toledo's WRQN carries Harvey. I about wrecked the car when I heard it.

Programmers are trying TOO HARD to "young up" a format that CAN"T be "younged up" (I know....poor grammar). Not too mention that classic...er... jurassic rock....has demo issues as much as oldies/classic hits. Classic rock's demos aren't getting any younger. Most of it's core is 45-50.


I was in Cleveland Sunday thru Monday and listened to Majic here and there. Music....I'll get it a 7. The rest outside of Lanigan... a 4. The station VO talent must go. I predict Keith will put Jeff Laurence...or perhaps another talent... on by January.

And the positioner... 'The best of the 60s, 70s & 80s"... I'd take that off as well. It's era definition and in my opinion is a negative.

 

[Rusty Muck]

I see a real identity crisis with WMJI and for that station's future. On one side, there's the 15-times burned-out classic rock library. (And whomever buys WNCX in the CBS Radio auction may have a really bad case of buyer's remorse in a few years with regard to those skyrocketing demos...)

And on the other side, there's the 25-times burned-out 80s library that WMVX ruined forever with much glee. (Think of how many times I've considered shooting the radio any time they've played "Under Pressure" or "She's A Beauty..." in addition to "Shook Me," "Cherry Bomb" or "Start Me Up...")

What in anyone's right mind thinks that either group of songs will work on a station like Majic?

 

[kentuckymedia]

If Connoisseur ends up with the Cleveland CBS Cluster, I could only see them making changes to boost 92.3 audience.

 

[JohnboyCrenshaw]

AC/DC's upcoming concert in Columbus sold out in 15 minutes. Value City Arena set for full house. $99 per ticket. Somebody likes them.

Yours in bouncing balls,
JbC

 

[cingram]

AC/DC's upcoming concert in Columbus sold out in 15 minutes. Value City Arena set for full house. $99 per ticket. Somebody likes them.

Of course they do. But, do they want to hear them on 3WS? See more pointed comments on the Pittsburgh board.

(And hello, Mr. Crenshaw. It's been a while since the Hot Country Jam, or whatever the show was called.)

C.

 

[JohnboyCrenshaw]

Greetings Mr. Ingram!

Was allowing for a "situational airplay" exception, a la "Dominique" by The Flying Nun on a 1965 countown feature. Since it was all out of context, I was just playing devil's advocate. Would AC/DC on 3WS at 8pm on a Friday be OK? Or, would it never be OK because they played "Precious and Few" by Climax at one time? (Hopefully not next to each other, either, or the channel 11 tower might implode! LOL)

Disclaimer: I am not an AC/DC fan, and don't plan on going to their show.

Clarification: "Country Jam," which is now at Crew Stadium, and still a great people-watching exercise. Come on down!

Yours in national "One Hit Wonder Day,"
JbC

 

[1sttimecaller]

I agree with Johnboy on this one. Smart programmers know when and how to schedule music. "Shook Me" is an anthem. I can't name a single jukebox in a bar where its not a selection and a popular one at that. I could also not recall a single wedding where a DJ was providing entertainment and it never spun. On the right day and time, it works.

 

[OhioMediaWatch]

I'm still wrapping my head around the fact that there's a professional soccer-only stadium in Columbus.

Does OSU's soccer team play there?

 

[74WIXYGrad]

I'm still wrapping my head around the fact that there's a professional soccer-only stadium in Columbus.

There are a lot of younger professionals and hispanics in the Columbus metro area. That could explain the presence of the soccer only stadium. I don't know who else besides the Crew plays there.

 

[YEKIMI]

The Ohio High School Athletic Association holds the high school state soccer finals there. There also were rumours of them having a pro football team of some sort start playing there. When I was down there last year they were in the process of tearing out a huge chunk of seats on one end so a stage could be put in so they could have concerts and stuff. And I believe that the Hunt Family built it with their own money meaning the taxpayers didn't have to finance another playtoy for the rich.

 

[JohnboyCrenshaw]

Seats on the north end have been removed, a 120'x60' stage installed, on which many thousands of people have enjoyed Rock On The Range, Country Jam and Dave Matthews performances. Unsure of whose money, private checkbook or tax abatement notwithstanding, was used to build. (Also not sure why that is important, and majorly OT, so I shall now be quiet.)

Yours in Peace In The Valley,
JbC

 

[david9396]

johnboy-- i think yekimi's point was that it is increasngly RARE for sports and entertainment centers to be built, let alone operated by PRIVATE funding rather than soaking us taxpayers. Glad to hear the Hunt family has such a versatile arena. as a salesman, i think it is terrific when management invests back into the product, service and staff with their profits. just my .05(inflation).--david 9396

 

[cingram]

Was allowing for a "situational airplay" exception, a la "Dominique" by The Flying Nun on a 1965 countown feature. Since it was all out of context, I was just playing devil's advocate. Would AC/DC on 3WS at 8pm on a Friday be OK? Or, would it never be OK because they played "Precious and Few" by Climax at one time? (Hopefully not next to each other, either, or the channel 11 tower might implode! LOL)

Situational airplay is fine (I've played "Dominique" myself as a gag). The other night, however, the station of 3W's went from "Nowhere to Run" by Martha & The Vandellas into "Legs" by ZZ Top (and they weren't kidding).

I realize the trend is toward variety/Bob/Jack "we play anything" formats, but to me, that one says MAKE UP YOUR MIND!

C.

 

[thenetwork]

Was allowing for a "situational airplay" exception, a la "Dominique" by The Flying Nun on a 1965 countown feature. Since it was all out of context, I was just playing devil's advocate. Would AC/DC on 3WS at 8pm on a Friday be OK? Or, would it never be OK because they played "Precious and Few" by Climax at one time? (Hopefully not next to each other, either, or the channel 11 tower might implode! LOL)

Situational airplay is fine (I've played "Dominique" myself as a gag). The other night, however, the station of 3W's went from "Nowhere to Run" by Martha & The Vandellas into "Legs" by ZZ Top (and they weren't kidding).

I realize the trend is toward variety/Bob/Jack "we play anything" formats, but to me, that one says MAKE UP YOUR MIND!

C.

I grew up on AM radio through the 70s in Cleveland. What most of the local AM Top-40 stations of the time (WGAR & WIXY,...) played during the day was what they played after the sun went down.

I don't know how many of you remember how CKLW ran their station in the 70s, but they did a lot as far as dayparting their music. I seem to remember that music from AM drive through PM drive was pretty much top 40, concentrating on the easy-to-moderate charttoppers. By the time you hit 7PM, the station was moreso harder edged AOR-type music. (I.e. "Mandy" was played during the workday, while "Frankenstein" was usually played after 4PM).

If an oldies station would daypart some of their music to match the dominant demo of that time of the day, more power to them, even though it goes against the evil radio conglomerate code of "WE decide what you hear"! Dayparting (and periodic 'resting' of older songs in the library) is a lost art that should be brought back, along with live spots.