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alright jakej, please present your ideas!

Jakej,

you constantly suggest that some of your alternate ideas for programming are under-appreciated by some of us "oldsters" in the business. I don't think in my 40+ years in this business, i ever though that I know it all, just that over the years, i have learned to know better.

So please take the forum, and tell us, why from your point of view, we should seriously reconsider some of our "core procedures". Hopefully the moderators will see this for what it is, a non vindictive, and somewhat educational, traditional radio being educated by non traditional folks. I am sure others will join in..

you up for it??

kb
 
I gave this sort of thing my best shot back when I began making presentations to those in the business who were willing to hear it, so what I'll do here is provide selected excerpts from that talk:

"The ideas that I am about to put forward are not traditional in nature, they represent rather significant and bold steps forward that in their entirety have never been taken by any commercial radio station in this country, and they are all steps that I strongly believe should be taken, in light of the rapidly changing landscape of radio today.
There is a large group of music fans who have never been taken care of radiowise in this town, and they're what I call the classic alternative crowd, the people who were either into the music back when it was happening or else are fans of that same music from the 1980s now. Oh sure, people have always been able to hear on their radios the best-known alternative songs of the '80s, but unfortunately that's all they ever get as those tunes are sprinkled in every now and then by a lot of stations. You know, the two or three greatest hits by bands like U2, Blondie, the Clash, Talking Heads, and the Police. So I'm here today to propose a station that will in part play not the best-known alternative music of that era but rather the best, and there's a big, big difference between the two.
Back in the '80s here in Columbus, fans of alternative or new wave music, as it was also known, were spoiled. I mean, except for radio, we had it all -- concerts to go to, record shops where you could buy all of the great music, dance clubs where you could hear it and celebrate it, and fan magazines in which you could read about everything that was happening. And I know, because I promoted about fifty of those concerts, and I worked in one of those record shops, and I spun records at one of those dance clubs, and I published over one hundred issues of one of those fanzines. The alternative music scene was huge in Columbus, as anyone who lived here anytime between 1980 and 1989 knows, but if you didn't, hey, don't take my word for it -- ask Scott Steinecker of Promowest what things were like back then. Ask Dan Dougan; he was the owner of Staches during some of those years. You can ask any of the record shops along High Street that carried my zine what it was like. The excitement was real, you could feel it in the air, it helped sustain my involvement in the scene for the ten long and glorious years of that decade, and even though radio didn't seem to want to acknowledge the music at the time, that doesn't mean that wonderful things weren't happening, and they were happening in a very big way.
But now many years have passed since the end of that great era, and has anything really changed with regards to the attitudes of FM radio? CD101, the so-called Alternative Station, does nothing but give the alternative genre a bad name. If a non-mainstream song comes along that's lame or stupid, preferably both, then you can rest assured that they'll find a way to work it into their heavy rotation, while all of the incredible music that came and went before CD101 went on the air in 1990 is what they don't seem to want to know about, or want their listeners to know about. It's as though they're trying to give people the impression that nothing much was happening in this town until they came on the scene. And elsewhere on today's radio dial, "active rock" stations like the Blitz and the Big Wazoo focus a lot of their attention on the headache and the anger of the music that's happening now. All of those positive, upbeat, fun, and vibrant tunes of the '80s? Forget it. And what about the public radio station, WCBE? Well, once you get past all of the hours that it devotes to news and talk, you're left with a music that likewise doesn't go very far into the past, and it's a music that you've got to be a world traveller to appreciate.
Yes, there's thousands, tens of thousands of music fans in central Ohio who are starving for what I have to offer them, and they've been starving for a long time. They're either now listening to their iPods or to satellite radio or to internet radio and pretending to be satisfied, or else they can't afford any of those options, or else they realize that even if they could afford them, none of them would really do the job that they need it to do.
Now let's turn the clock back another twenty years, to the 1960s. There's a lot of people who have an album collection that includes some '60s rock and roll that's very special to them, and there's a lot of great songs on those records that either weren't released as singles or came out on 45 but just didn't get played much on the radio. My belief is that this magnificent music shouldn't be swept under time's rug and forgotten about, but rather those songs should be showcased in some manner so that they can enjoy their own long-overdue shining moments in the sun, so that fans of those groups that recorded them can finally get the refreshing and invigorating and totally unexpected chance to enjoy all of that thrilling, goosebumpy music on their radios.
I don't care what specific years you're talking about, '60s, '70's, '80s, whatever -- hits are hits, and maybe, just maybe, for a station in this market to really make its mark and get itself noticed in a big way, it's got to find some ways to go beyond the hits. I mean, Columbus has had virtually nothing but Hit Radio coming out the ears for the past forty years! So what I am proposing today is going to be primarily Non-Hit Radio. A shocking concept? Perhaps. But equally shocking is what's happening to oldies stations all across the country that do play the hits, indeed, to rock music stations in general that limit themselves to only playing the most familiar music, as they're finding themselves, or at least their formats, coming to rather abrupt ends. The tried-and-true formulas of yesterday are simply not always working in the world of today.
All over the U.S., oldies and greatest hits stations are failing, and even ones with seemingly great 12+ ratings are being flipped anyways because they're extremely strong in the older demographic groups, which advertisers care very little about, and extremely weak in the younger demographic groups, which advertisers care very much about. The format that I am proposing today will have its own unique non-hit brand of oldies programming that younger listeners will be curious about and have a much keener interest in, and here's the key -- this programming will be supplemented by a companion best-of-alternative-'80s non-hit format that will give younger people something to get even more excited about! But it's really a format that's for everybody, a true people's format, as we're going to be giving our listeners of all ages, both the young and the not so young, the best of both worlds. It's going to be early rock and roll seamlessly combined with early alternative -- the Sixties, and the spirit of the Sixties. The spirit of creativity, and the spirit of freedom in being allowed to fully express that creativity. The spirit of the Sixties is the spirit of unity but also of individuality. It's the spirit of fun, and of love, and of peace, and of purpose. The spirit of the Sixties is going to make for revolutionary radio, and like the revolution that sprang up in 1776, the spirit of the Sixties is going to come with an inherent sense of independence. Our image will be that we don't care about how things have been done before; we don't care about the rules that others say that radio must follow. We're going to give people music that they can't get anywhere else on this town's radio dial, music that they've never been able to get anywhere else on this town's radio dial. If we simply copy what other stations are doing, then we're not going to beat any of them and we'll be doomed to failure. But if we go beyond what those stations are doing and enter new realms of commercial radio programming, and in so doing provide a product that is far superior for the listener, one that is truly fresh and new and nothing less than a thrill for people to listen to, then that's the strategy that will guarantee us success in every sense of the word. We're going to very proudly and very confidently offer something totally new and different and exciting, something that won't simply confirm everyone's preconceptions about the conservative nature of FM rock radio programming today, but rather something that will blast those preconceptions completely apart. We're going to become a lot of people's favorite radio station, and we're going to become everyone else's second-most favorite station. We won't be featuring the hits that have been played literally hundreds if not thousands of times, the hits that have helped drive so many in central Ohio to satellite radio and internet radio and mp3 players, but instead we'll be featuring oldies that aren't old, because they haven't been played to death on all of the other stations, and alternative music that was simply a pleasant alternative to all of the disco stuff that surrounded it when it first came out. Nothing to be afraid of, and everything to love.
Including me; I'll be a part of the package as well, for all twenty-four hours of the day, seven days a week. Listeners are going to be enjoying our music so much that they're not going to want to have to wait very long to hear those songs again, and so each weekday we'll provide an exciting four-hour block of music six times in a row. I'll be live from six in the morning until ten, and then we'll replay that show five times, from 10:00 until 2:00, 2:00 until 6:00, 6:00 until 10:00, 10:00 until 2:00, and 2:00 until the 6:00 start of the next day's show. Our more addicted listeners will therefore have the opportunity to maximize their enjoyment of their favorite long-lost tunes, as they'll get to hear them a second, third, and fourth time over the course of the day (and even a fifth and sixth time if they're insomniacs), and our other listeners who aren't able to listen to us for four hours straight won't feel shortchanged, as the bits and pieces that they can catch of each of the six broadcasts during the course of their busy day and night will add up to the full entirety of that day's programming. Also, if they hear something that they know someone else would absolutely love, then they'll be able to contact that person and let him or her know exactly when that song will be rebroadcast, so that that person will be able to catch it, too! We will therefore be featuring a repetition of a brand new batch of fresh music each day that everyone will be happy with, as opposed to the constant repetition day in and day out of the same very limited amount of not-so-fresh music that other stations are slowly but surely destroying themselves with. Obviously, this repeat-broadcast strategy will save a great deal of money, and it will do that without compromising one bit the quality of our programming. For both Saturday and Sunday, I'll assemble a four-hour block that will include the songs that we receive the most positive feedback on during the previous five weekdays. Both days it will still be me, and both days it will still be a four-hour block that will be rebroadcast five times.
There is going to be a lot of love and fun that will flow into the arms, ears, minds, and hearts of our listeners. Everything that is good about music and about us as a people will be heard. Those who tune in will call or e-mail us and thank us for perceiving the need for this unique brand of programming, and for having the courage to present it. And they'll also express their complete and utter SHOCK that they are now finally able to hear all of this great, great music on their radios!"
 
jakej said:
I gave this sort of thing my best shot back when I began making presentations to those in the business who were willing to hear it, so what I'll do here is provide selected excerpts from that talk:


Good Morning, Jakej...

I want to first thank you for taking the time to illustrate some of your ideas. After reading and thinking about what you say here, I have some thoughts and comments, neither is right nor wrong, just conversation fodder. As I and many others, really hate long post, please allow me to separate your long post into several smaller post, it will make it, and the ideas more digestible. Also, I apologize in advance, if it takes any time between post to finish the answer, I actually am doing this between other stuff, LOL. Before we really get started, what is your definition of "Alternative", is this the traditional sense of Alternative style music, or an alternative style of music/radio?

kb

"The ideas that I am about to put forward are not traditional in nature, they represent rather significant and bold steps forward that in their entirety have never been taken by any commercial radio station in this country, and they are all steps that I strongly believe should be taken, in light of the rapidly changing landscape of radio today.

There is a large group of music fans who have never been taken care of radiowise in this town, and they're what I call the classic alternative crowd, the people who were either into the music back when it was happening or else are fans of that same music from the 1980s now. Oh sure, people have always been able to hear on their radios the best-known alternative songs of the '80s, but unfortunately that's all they ever get as those tunes are sprinkled in every now and then by a lot of stations. You know, the two or three greatest hits by bands like U2, Blondie, the Clash, Talking Heads, and the Police. So I'm here today to propose a station that will in part play not the best-known alternative music of that era but rather the best, and there's a big, big difference between the two.

to me, this is fairly subjective, "not the best known, but the best"... How do your determine what is the best? Since radio playlist are generated by listener feedback, (and I'll grant, some industry hanky panky) How does one expect to play the best? I am fairly sure you don't like the same music I do, and we all have reasons on why and how we do what we do. There's also a pretty big profit motivation in music.

Back in the '80s here in Columbus, fans of alternative or new wave music, as it was also known, were spoiled. I mean, except for radio, we had it all -- concerts to go to, record shops where you could buy all of the great music, dance clubs where you could hear it and celebrate it, and fan magazines in which you could read about everything that was happening. And I know, because I promoted about fifty of those concerts, and I worked in one of those record shops, and I spun records at one of those dance clubs, and I published over one hundred issues of one of those fanzines. The alternative music scene was huge in Columbus, as anyone who lived here anytime between 1980 and 1989 knows, but if you didn't, hey, don't take my word for it -- ask Scott Steinecker of Promowest what things were like back then. Ask Dan Dougan; he was the owner of Staches during some of those years. You can ask any of the record shops along High Street that carried my zine what it was like. The excitement was real, you could feel it in the air, it helped sustain my involvement in the scene for the ten long and glorious years of that decade, and even though radio didn't seem to want to acknowledge the music at the time, that doesn't mean that wonderful things weren't happening, and they were happening in a very big way.

Yep, the 80's, or 70's, 60's, 50's, 90's, or tens and 20's were a different time, music and coffeehouses seem to be some fond memories for you, and its pretty clear that you made a decent amount of money for the time, (at least I hope so), but since the main purpose of broadcasting is to transmit a single signal to the masses, you have to be selective, and play what the masses wanted to hear. I remember when I was at WEBN, late 60's I think, it was a pretty cool, and hip station, and there were album cuts that we couldn't play, and that was about as free form as you could get. Those folks <Woods> had a good indication of what was necessary to make money, keep and audience, and have the image the audience wanted. but there were a lot of limits!

But now many years have passed since the end of that great era, and has anything really changed with regards to the attitudes of FM radio? CD101, the so-called Alternative Station, does nothing but give the alternative genre a bad name. If a non-mainstream song comes along that's lame or stupid, preferably both, then you can rest assured that they'll find a way to work it into their heavy rotation, while all of the incredible music that came and went before CD101 went on the air in 1990 is what they don't seem to want to know about, or want their listeners to know about. It's as though they're trying to give people the impression that nothing much was happening in this town until they came on the scene. And elsewhere on today's radio dial, "active rock" stations like the Blitz and the Big Wazoo focus a lot of their attention on the headache and the anger of the music that's happening now. All of those positive, upbeat, fun, and vibrant tunes of the '80s? Forget it. And what about the public radio station, WCBE? Well, once you get past all of the hours that it devotes to news and talk, you're left with a music that likewise doesn't go very far into the past, and it's a music that you've got to be a world traveller to appreciate.

Can't say that I listen to any of them, so I have no real opinion. I do sense that you are somewhat to more concerned with the music community, rather than radio, so the question, Is the local music community, and it's exposure more important to you, then good ratings on the radio? If that's the case, and it's something I had not taken into consideration, then you point of view makes perfect sense. If we look at radio to be a vehicle to expand the local music community, then I say, you are doing it right, although, as I have said in previous post, you won't see it much outside of the targeted LPFM community.

Yes, there's thousands, tens of thousands of music fans in central Ohio who are starving for what I have to offer them, and they've been starving for a long time. They're either now listening to their iPods or to satellite radio or to internet radio and pretending to be satisfied, or else they can't afford any of those options, or else they realize that even if they could afford them, none of them would really do the job that they need it to do.

Yep, 100% correct...

The availability and access to music on demand, and making your own playlist has opened a new door in "my cake, and eat it too". How that translated into profits for promoters and record stores is not something I thought about.
 
jakej said:
Now let's turn the clock back another twenty years, to the 1960s. There's a lot of people who have an album collection that includes some '60s rock and roll that's very special to them, and there's a lot of great songs on those records that either weren't released as singles or came out on 45 but just didn't get played much on the radio. My belief is that this magnificent music shouldn't be swept under time's rug and forgotten about, but rather those songs should be showcased in some manner so that they can enjoy their own long-overdue shining moments in the sun, so that fans of those groups that recorded them can finally get the refreshing and invigorating and totally unexpected chance to enjoy all of that thrilling, goosebumpy music on their radios.

I, too have a collection of music around the house, I have some albums, most are still in the sealed packages they came in (It's really hard to be in radio, and not have gotten free records!), boxes of 45's, for my jukebox, some CD's, and tons of hard drive music formats. I guess I am a radio person, but, the sad truth, is,I am not a music person, since I have not listed to more then 5 complete albums in my life! I tend to think "music is something to play between commercials", great attitude for radio people, but my musician friends, (I do have a few) thinks that attitude sucks.

Overall, your "Yesterdays Pop Secrets", isn't a bad show concept, especially based on your explanation, it is a feature show, in my opinion, and for one who like that, it's fine. You may well be able to syndicate it to other stations, like World Party, but other than that, it seems a source of great entertainment to you, so enjoy it. You concept making an all day radio station, difficult sell at best


I don't care what specific years you're talking about, '60s, '70's, '80s, whatever -- hits are hits, and maybe, just maybe, for a station in this market to really make its mark and get itself noticed in a big way, it's got to find some ways to go beyond the hits. I mean, Columbus has had virtually nothing but Hit Radio coming out the ears for the past forty years! So what I am proposing today is going to be primarily Non-Hit Radio. A shocking concept? Perhaps. But equally shocking is what's happening to oldies stations all across the country that do play the hits, indeed, to rock music stations in general that limit themselves to only playing the most familiar music, as they're finding themselves, or at least their formats, coming to rather abrupt ends. The tried-and-true formulas of yesterday are simply not always working in the world of today.

I don't really agree, although the access to other music sources, and the numbing and dumbing down of radio has more to do with this, vs hit, and especially non hit radio> How do you sustain a business that has no revenue. NON-HIT Radio = VERY limited audience = NO REVENUE!. Not a very good business plan for success. I think many will agree that radio is becoming it's own enemy, it's not the programming that's bad, it's the owners who care little about their local communities. In community's where the owner cares, stations are fine, usually florishing

All over the U.S., oldies and greatest hits stations are failing, and even ones with seemingly great 12+ ratings are being flipped anyways because they're extremely strong in the older demographic groups, which advertisers care very little about, and extremely weak in the younger demographic groups, which advertisers care very much about. The format that I am proposing today will have its own unique non-hit brand of oldies programming that younger listeners will be curious about and have a much keener interest in, and here's the key -- this programming will be supplemented by a companion best-of-alternative-'80s non-hit format that will give younger people something to get even more excited about! But it's really a format that's for everybody, a true people's format, as we're going to be giving our listeners of all ages, both the young and the not so young, the best of both worlds. It's going to be early rock and roll seamlessly combined with early alternative -- the Sixties, and the spirit of the Sixties. The spirit of creativity, and the spirit of freedom in being allowed to fully express that creativity. The spirit of the Sixties is the spirit of unity but also of individuality. It's the spirit of fun, and of love, and of peace, and of purpose. The spirit of the Sixties is going to make for revolutionary radio, and like the revolution that sprang up in 1776, the spirit of the Sixties is going to come with an inherent sense of independence. Our image will be that we don't care about how things have been done before; we don't care about the rules that others say that radio must follow. We're going to give people music that they can't get anywhere else on this town's radio dial, music that they've never been able to get anywhere else on this town's radio dial. If we simply copy what other stations are doing, then we're not going to beat any of them and we'll be doomed to failure. But if we go beyond what those stations are doing and enter new realms of commercial radio programming, and in so doing provide a product that is far superior for the listener, one that is truly fresh and new and nothing less than a thrill for people to listen to, then that's the strategy that will guarantee us success in every sense of the word. We're going to very proudly and very confidently offer something totally new and different and exciting, something that won't simply confirm everyone's preconceptions about the conservative nature of FM rock radio programming today, but rather something that will blast those preconceptions completely apart. We're going to become a lot of people's favorite radio station, and we're going to become everyone else's second-most favorite station. We won't be featuring the hits that have been played literally hundreds if not thousands of times, the hits that have helped drive so many in central Ohio to satellite radio and internet radio and mp3 players, but instead we'll be featuring oldies that aren't old, because they haven't been played to death on all of the other stations, and alternative music that was simply a pleasant alternative to all of the disco stuff that surrounded it when it first came out. Nothing to be afraid of, and everything to love.

Warm and fuzzy, loving and optimistic... Young People won't listen, 18+ won't listen, 25+ won't listen, and 45 all the way up won't listen. The only people who will listen are folks who just happen by it, and are too lazy to turn it off. Your friends and associates will listen, your enemies will listen, and a few curious folks will listen. If they like it they will stay. More so, folks who happen by, and don't hear anything familiar, won't bother staying long enough to figure out what that strange song was. There was a song a few years back, be thankful for what you got... There is something to be said for commercially viable... and I do like some, not all disco, so while making that a negative, to appeal to some folks, effectively drive me away!
 
jakej said:
Including me; I'll be a part of the package as well, for all twenty-four hours of the day, seven days a week. Listeners are going to be enjoying our music so much that they're not going to want to have to wait very long to hear those songs again, and so each weekday we'll provide an exciting four-hour block of music six times in a row. I'll be live from six in the morning until ten, and then we'll replay that show five times, from 10:00 until 2:00, 2:00 until 6:00, 6:00 until 10:00, 10:00 until 2:00, and 2:00 until the 6:00 start of the next day's show.

Our more addicted listeners will therefore have the opportunity to maximize their enjoyment of their favorite long-lost tunes, as they'll get to hear them a second, third, and fourth time over the course of the day (and even a fifth and sixth time if they're insomniacs), and our other listeners who aren't able to listen to us for four hours straight won't feel shortchanged, as the bits and pieces that they can catch of each of the six broadcasts during the course of their busy day and night will add up to the full entirety of that day's programming.

Also, if they hear something that they know someone else would absolutely love, then they'll be able to contact that person and let him or her know exactly when that song will be rebroadcast, so that that person will be able to catch it, too! We will therefore be featuring a repetition of a brand new batch of fresh music each day that everyone will be happy with, as opposed to the constant repetition day in and day out of the same very limited amount of not-so-fresh music that other stations are slowly but surely destroying themselves with. Obviously, this repeat-broadcast strategy will save a great deal of money, and it will do that without compromising one bit the quality of our programming. For both Saturday and Sunday, I'll assemble a four-hour block that will include the songs that we receive the most positive feedback on during the previous five weekdays. Both days it will still be me, and both days it will still be a four-hour block that will be rebroadcast five times.

There is going to be a lot of love and fun that will flow into the arms, ears, minds, and hearts of our listeners. Everything that is good about music and about us as a people will be heard. Those who tune in will call or e-mail us and thank us for perceiving the need for this unique brand of programming, and for having the courage to present it. And they'll also express their complete and utter SHOCK that they are now finally able to hear all of this great, great music on their radios!"

You are seriously Kidding, right??

While I realize this most likely was from a programming proposal, I find it amazing that anyone would propose a 24 hour a day, ME station, will show repeats all day? Especially someone who suggest that radio is too repetitive in the first place.

I know there may be some additional LPFM's assigned here, I hope you can get one, and at the same time, try this idea. I just can't fathom it, but never tell someone they shouldn't pursue their dreams.

Lets see what everyone else thinks!

kb
 
knowbetter said:
Warm and fuzzy, loving and optimistic... Young People won't listen, 18+ won't listen, 25+ won't listen, and 45 all the way up won't listen. The only people who will listen are folks who just happen by it, and are too lazy to turn it off. Your friends and associates will listen, your enemies will listen, and a few curious folks will listen. If they like it they will stay. More so, folks who happen by, and don't hear anything familiar, won't bother staying long enough to figure out what that strange song was. There was a song a few years back, be thankful for what you got... There is something to be said for commercially viable... and I do like some, not all disco, so while making that a negative, to appeal to some folks, effectively drive me away!

Let me re-phrase my own question, why do you think all of these demographics would listen?

What makes them seek this format out?

thanks

kb
 
kb

I'm 45+ and I would listen to this format. I stopped listening to QFM (my go to growing up) because I'm tired of hearing the same old songs. Anything that goes deeper into an album ( or CD i guess) would be great. I miss hearing songs other than I Ran from Flock of Seagulls, and would love to hear deep cuts from R.E.M., Talking Heads, Split Enz, Buffalo Springfield, the Hollies, the Grateful Dead, Jefferson Airplane and others.

The four hour format is long enough for me to listen while working on projects around the house, and I'm away from my desk long enough that I could leave it on all day at work as well.

So, my two cents - I'd listen, and probably enjoy the hell out of it.
 
Cheddar299 said:
kb

I'm 45+ and I would listen to this format. I stopped listening to QFM (my go to growing up) because I'm tired of hearing the same old songs. Anything that goes deeper into an album ( or CD i guess) would be great. I miss hearing songs other than I Ran from Flock of Seagulls, and would love to hear deep cuts from R.E.M., Talking Heads, Split Enz, Buffalo Springfield, the Hollies, the Grateful Dead, Jefferson Airplane and others.

The four hour format is long enough for me to listen while working on projects around the house, and I'm away from my desk long enough that I could leave it on all day at work as well.

So, my two cents - I'd listen, and probably enjoy the hell out of it.

glad to see you made it over....thanks for the input

kb
 
Just checking in. I wasn't kidding about anything; I proposed a daily four-hour show hosted by myself that upon its conclusion would have been rebroadcast five successive times. It would have been just like my one-hour show is on WCRS now, in the sense that it's the music that would have been the star and not me. My talking would have been kept to a minimum.
There's good repetition and there's bad repetition. My brand of it would have been repetition within each broadcasting day of that particular day's music. The next day would then bring in with it a brand new batch of songs, as would the day after that, and the day after that, and the day after that ... for the reasons cited earlier.
The assertion that it's a lack of local caring that is most hurting commercial radio and not bad programming is something that I respectfully disagree with. I think that Cheddar expresses the clear-cut #1 complaint about radio today -- that people are sick and tired of hearing nothing but the same songs over and over and over again, not within the same day, because that generally doesn't happen even under the most restrictive of playlists, but rather from day to day.
I can't say that accepting my proposal would have guaranteed to a ratings bottom-feeder instant success as Columbus' new top-ranked station, along with a sudden influx of millions of dollars in new advertising revenue, but on the other hand I don't know how it can be definitively concluded that a non-hit format would only appeal to a very limited audience and bring in no revenue whatsoever. It's already done better than that with WCRS, as Used Kids Records has been underwriting "Yesterday's Top Secrets" continuously since March of 2009. I wasn't trying to state my case to those in charge of stations that at that time were among our town's top ten in terms of ratings or revenues; I was primarily trying to make my presentation to people associated with stations that were more towards the bottom tier of both categories. I was basically trying to tell them that I had something that I thought was worthy of their consideration. I tried to diplomatically point out that they had tried other things in the past that hadn't helped them, and so how about providing me with a half-hour of their time so that they can hear about something else that they might find worth trying?
In closing, Cheddar, so far on "Secrets" I haven't played very much Split Enz or Grateful Dead, but listeners have heard 17 different songs from R.E.M., 27 from Talking Heads, 29 from Buffalo Springfield, 12 from the Hollies, and 32 from Jefferson Airplane. Sometime next year I'll be featuring the Grateful Dead and Great Plains, which was a local band that released several albums during the 1980s. Talking Heads have already been featured on the show with the Turtles, Buffalo Springfield with Blondie, and Jefferson Airplane with Joy Division.
 
jakej said:
Just checking in. I wasn't kidding about anything; I proposed a daily four-hour show hosted by myself that upon its conclusion would have been rebroadcast five successive times. It would have been just like my one-hour show is on WCRS now, in the sense that it's the music that would have been the star and not me. My talking would have been kept to a minimum.

"the music is the star" hadn't heard that one from the Drake days, it was a staple of top 40, I think the indication was that you could plug in any jock, since the people stayed with the station because of the music. I think we may agree on this point.

There's good repetition and there's bad repetition. My brand of it would have been repetition within each broadcasting day of that particular day's music. The next day would then bring in with it a brand new batch of songs, as would the day after that, and the day after that, and the day after that ... for the reasons cited earlier.

I will admit that there is burn out on some songs, that's generally what the whole repetition thing is about, but, at the same time, people do want to hear familiar music. I think you would definitely burn out on a Donna Summer song, much faster than I would, that doesn't make her songs bad. Taking a 4 hour segment, and repeating it 6 times per day, really isn't a grand idea either, since there are likely to be some folks who think there is something much better to do than listen to the same things over, and over, and over again. There may be a few diehards who might get you idea,and selectively listen, but I can't buy the fact thaqt the general public is that smart, or stupid, depending on your respective point of view.

I think you could accomplish the same thing, but taking a whole bunch of music, albums, CD's, whatever, putting them on an automation system, putting the thing on random, and seeing what you get. I think you will get variety, a fair amount of unfamiliar songs, except for those who have those albums, and some people may well like it. At least, with this system, you also get the overplayed hits, that some folks might actually enjoy listening to.

I do think you will have a whole bunch of people, who might turn off on the unfamiliar tunes, or go do Pandora, or Iheart on their own

The assertion that it's a lack of local caring that is most hurting commercial radio and not bad programming is something that I respectfully disagree with. I think that Cheddar expresses the clear-cut #1 complaint about radio today -- that people are sick and tired of hearing nothing but the same songs over and over and over again, not within the same day, because that generally doesn't happen even under the most restrictive of playlists, but rather from day to day.

We will have to agree to disagree. There is a string somewhere on Radio Info, on deregulation. The problem with local radio, and radio in general is that a lot of the local decisions are not made locally. I know of entire buildings that are damned near empty, short of the salespeople and some equipment. These are not local stations, they are jukeboxes, attempting to play a one size fits all, serve all format.

There's no local info, the weather is off, the emergency info is screwed up, and what have you. A good radio station is about the information, and not the music. Programming,(at least music programming) and information to me are different. For clarity, lets also include the syndicated talk shows and the like. What drives people to radio, is clear, local information.

But this brings us back to what I believe I now understand from you, and your style of radio programming. You seem to believe in a strong local music community, right? You also seem to want to play a wider selection of regional artist, vs the hit's heard every day, and at the same time, exposing mainly regional and some national artist who are likely to be involved in a local scene?

So , how much purely local music do you play?

What's more important?
 
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