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Alt 92.3

How would you program it then? Honestly, what is considered "altnerative" has been taking a turn way more towards the pop sound for years now.
Well, for one thing, it's not 2018 anymore. Alternative is shifting back to leaning rock, but the thing to keep in mind is that Alternative is a potpourri format, and it always has had a unique blend of music from its inception in the early 80's to what it is now.

A number of the rising rock songs on the format right now tend to have pop-rock or pop-punk flavorings like "Monday" by The Regrettes or "Pieces of You" by nothing,nowhere. There are also a number of songs that are leaning heavier like "fleabag" by YUNGBLUD or "Kill The Noise" by ex-staple-trying-to-come-back Papa Roach. There are also the synthpop songs like "I Don't Wanna Talk (I Just Wanna Dance)" by Glass Animals and "Bad Dream" by Cannons, which are still pretty relevant.

New York City is a unique place to try to make the Alternative format work. I get WHY it's being programmed the way it is - the playlist is almost exclusively alternative pop with golds that largely crossed over to pop radio. Should be a slam dunk, right? But it's not working. Why?

I think a huge part of the problem is that it is not truly offering the listener new experiences. WNYL has dropped from five heavies to three in recent weeks. The three heavies are "Heat Waves" by the afore-mentioned Glass Animals (a recurrent), "Follow You" by Imagine Dragons, and "Beggin" by Maneskin.

Here's the problem: you can hear all three of these songs on Z100.

The songs on medium right now are "Saturday" by Twenty One Pilots, "Way Less Sad" by AJR (recurrent), "Without You" by Kid LAROI (also a recurrent), "My Universe" by Coldplay & BTS, "i hope ur miserable until ur dead" by Nessa Barrett, "A-OK" by Tai Verdes, and "My Ex's Best Friend" by Machine Gun Kelly.

Guess what they all have in common? You can hear, or could hear earlier in the year, all of these songs on Z100.

The only medium rotation songs that did not cross to pop are "Mariposa" by Peach Tree Rascals (crossed to Hot AC though) and "All My Favorite Songs" by Weezer (Audacy is playing the AJR remix that was sent to Hot AC and pop, but failed to chart on the latter format). They're also recurrents.

Pop crossovers are good for the format, but relying on them to basically be your playlist has eroded WNYL's identity. They are not getting the younger people who listen to pop radio if any radio at all to consistently tune in to WNYL. WNYL periodically pivots their golds to try to get the dwindling older audience to tune in, but the older audience seems to lack tolerance for the pop fare. The problem with the playlist is that they are making no one happy. WNYL does not have a loyal audience, and their focus on almost exclusively playing pop crossovers past and present has made listeners both young and old confused about who they are. One thing that is obvious, though, is that this is not a true Alternative station. They're just a variation of Z100 - except with old Panic! At The Disco songs instead of Doja Cat.

When the real thing, which is a NYC icon, is right around the corner, who is going to tune into WNYL? Not many, as we've been discovering.

When you consider that Z100 has an established group of DJs who are well-known or outright iconic in the NYC area, WNYL trying to be Z100-lite is doomed to failure from the outset. Plus, all of the DJs are trying to serve multiple markets besides NYC, and Audacy does not have the mastery of this the way iHeartMedia does. You get the feeling of inadequate show prep, low morale, dissatisfaction from listening to the DJs. They're not connecting to the listener because they are trying to reach people far outside New York City. Cane & Corey trying to please people in Miami and Detroit along with New York City means no one is pleased nationwide.

WNYL also lacks anything on their website, or in their promotions, that truly connect to New York City. I attached an image of part of their website, and it's all national. You'll find this on every Audacy Alternative website, 98% of the same information. Audacy has truly brought into the mindset of "national/regional is the future", and listeners seem to be rejecting this hard.

Also, this is purely nitpicking, but Audacy's websites are butt ugly. Compare KNRK in Portland to the station it's getting slaughtered by, their competitor Triple A KINK. Look at how inviting KINK is compared to KNRK's messy page (which is identical to WNYL's page by the way). KINK puts a mixture of national and Portland-centric headlines, and also posts the comforting message of "there is so much great music out there, let us help you find it", which leads you to a page filled with rock, pop, and indie songs that they recently added to the rotation. It's way more inviting than WNYL, or any other Audacy station.

This is a long enough post as it is, so I'll talk about my solutions tomorrow when I'm fresher. But this is my diagnosis of what WNYL's maladies are.
 

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Audacy does not have the mastery of this the way iHeartMedia does. You get the feeling of inadequate show prep, low morale, dissatisfaction from listening to the DJs. They're not connecting to the listener because they are trying to reach people far outside New York City. Christine trying to please people in Miami and Detroit means no one is pleased.

You realize that Kevin & Bean were syndicated at the height of their popularity at KROQ? Somehow they managed to reach people outside LA. If the community is built around music, it doesn't matter where they are. That's how artists are able to make music that resonates with people in Miami and Detroit. The problem comes when the music itself ceases to speak to large groups and instead is satisfied with small groups. These artists are told by their labels and management that they don't have to reach mass audiences to make a living with their music. They just have to reach a small but passionate group who will buy what they're selling. That's the problem this genre is facing now. You talk about the audience dissatisfaction listening to the DJs, but what about the music?
 
You don't like NY DJs talking to people in Detroit, so your solution is to take a music playlist that works for Portland and bring it to NYC. Understand why I'm just a bit confused by your logic?
I did not say that the music playlist that works in Portland would work in NYC. For that section, I was purely speaking about Audacy's website design, which I find to be unwelcoming and poorly designed, not to mention lacking in anything unique for the communities they are trying to serve.

Believe it or not, I think the problems lie beyond the music, and I was trying to address those too.
 
I agree the music does seem to be a bit all over the place. Taking a look at two hours from last night, a few things stick out to me:

- RHCP, 3EB and Weezer songs have been beaten to death on modern rock radio. Playing those songs in 2021 was like if modern rock stations played music from the mid-70's in 1998.
- Stuff with driving guitars like The Offspring sticks out like a sore thumb here.
- Don't agree that the currents they play can all be heard on Z100 as I believe Cold War Kids, Alt-J and Glass Animals are all unique to WNYL
- The Third Eye Blind song in particular is funny to me because K-Rock infamously refused to play this single in 1997/98 saying it was "too soft" though still had the band play their annual radio show the following spring

 
I agree the music does seem to be a bit all over the place. Taking a look at two hours from last night, a few things stick out to me:

- RHCP, 3EB and Weezer songs have been beaten to death on modern rock radio. Playing those songs in 2021 was like if modern rock stations played music from the mid-70's in 1998.
- Stuff with driving guitars like The Offspring sticks out like a sore thumb here.
- Don't agree that the currents they play can all be heard on Z100 as I believe Cold War Kids, Alt-J and Glass Animals are all unique to WNYL
- The Third Eye Blind song in particular is funny to me because K-Rock infamously refused to play this single in 1997/98 saying it was "too soft" though still had the band play their annual radio show the following spring

I've been hearing "Californication" and "Boulevard of Broken Dreams" on classic rock stations here for the better part of a decade.
 
I could at least respect it more if they jettisoned the '90s gold and focused squarely on the type of pop-friendly new stuff they play. It's hard to imagine that there's a lot of people who want to hear both AJR and Nirvana. Maybe playing Green Day makes sense since they were still as popular as ever in the mid-2000s, alongside the 2000s pop-punk acts that seem to be the center lane for the format now. But that's about it.
 
I agree the music does seem to be a bit all over the place. Taking a look at two hours from last night, a few things stick out to me:

- RHCP, 3EB and Weezer songs have been beaten to death on modern rock radio. Playing those songs in 2021 was like if modern rock stations played music from the mid-70's in 1998.
- Stuff with driving guitars like The Offspring sticks out like a sore thumb here.
- Don't agree that the currents they play can all be heard on Z100 as I believe Cold War Kids, Alt-J and Glass Animals are all unique to WNYL
- The Third Eye Blind song in particular is funny to me because K-Rock infamously refused to play this single in 1997/98 saying it was "too soft" though still had the band play their annual radio show the following spring

Cold War Kids and alt-J are lights that are confined exclusively to night, along with a few other songs. You don't hear them in the daypart. They're basically only there so WNYL keeps up appearances as an Alt. The new Glass Animals is also a light, though if it crosses to pop like "Heat Waves" did I expect WNYL to move it up.
 
It's a double edge sword. At a time like this, one would think that casting a wide net would help discover the next big sound in Alternative. The problem is (as Big A and others repeatedly say) is that you're alienating people who want alt-pop and not alt-rock, or like alt-punk, or prefer alt-rock and are tired of the alt-rock songs that have been played for 25 to 30 years.

The issue is the lack of a consensus, and any attempt at a fix will create some sort of alienation of a segment of the potential audience.
 
They need to play more older alt songs like IHM alt stations and classic alternative to go after Q104.3 and move Kevin Kenny to mornings. Play less currents. More gold and recurrents.
 
They need to play more older alt songs like IHM alt stations and classic alternative to go after Q104.3 and move Kevin Kenny to mornings. Play less currents. More gold and recurrents.

The older alt songs have more consensus, but some people say they're burned to a crisp. So you might improve 6+ numbers, but it ages the demo. This is what KROQ was doing before their collapse.
 
They never play music from The Killers, Blink 182 from (2016 and Present), Angels and Airwaves, +44, Muse, Andrew McMahon in the wilderness, Jack's Mannequin, Pearl Jam, Fall Out Boy (anything from their post hiatus), My Chemical Romance (2011 album), or Sum 41.
 
The older alt songs have more consensus, but some people say they're buWhatrned to a crisp. So you might improve 6+ numbers, but it ages the demo. This is what KROQ was doing before their collapse.
The older songs and the currents need to be linked together better. Gene Sandbloom out in KINK has been experimenting with something called a "sonic thread" that carefully puts 5-7 song sets together from music as old as the 1970's to modern tunes - theoretically you can have a set that contains "Fortunate Son" by Creedence and "Happier Than Ever" by Billie Eilish but it doesn't sound terrible because they're two links in a chain. They also use long-form music sweepers called reveries that can sometimes run more than 20 seconds that serve as chain links. The style of the reverie has to match the style of the song it’s going into or the whole thread falls apart. It's quite difficult to do and I'm not sure Alternative is set up for that as a format.

A potential advantage programmers have in this cycle is that Zoomers (who are entering their twenties) don't care about how old a song is as long as it sounds good to their ears. Two songs recently blowing up on TikTok are "Space Song" by Beach House, which is from 2014, and "No Children" by The Mountain Goats, which is from 2002. ABBA blows up on the regular among Zoomers as well. Hell "Dreams" by Fleetwood Mac first woke us up to the "Zoomers like old songs" phenomenon last year. Running ancient Weezer and 3EB songs may not be a bad idea, as long as there is something fresh for Zoomers to enjoy too. And honestly I would be playing both "Space Song" and "No Children" on WNYL right now, albeit treating them as part of my recurrent mix as opposed to current.

What I would probably do to fix the music on WNYL is first gather everything together. Gather all of the old tunes, the gold tracks, from the 80's to maybe 2017 that are viable for airplay, and start organizing them into categories depending on the data. I think there are somewhere around 1,000 gold tracks are airplay-viable for New York City, but I'd only have 300 on the air at a time, with the rest of the songs being "vaulted" until they get sprinkled in to replace different golds that have burned out. I would need to listen to every song and research it personally with my staff to see whether it fits the image that would get both older audiences and newer audiences to tune into WNYL. Even a flop like "You Only Live Once" by The Strokes (peaked at #35 in 2006) is not out of the question, as the Zoomer crowd has embraced that song. Nothing is off-limits.

The old 80's and 90's songs are comfort food for the Gen-Xers who are the older edge of the station. I would want to identify what songs could fit in well with the modern mix of indie, rock, and pop that is current alternative, and not just tunes that crossed to pop. Gives the older audience their serotonin fix while the Millennials and Zoomers go "huh, this song is cool". I would also probably do a short version of Postmodern in the 5 or 6 pm hour to give older people, whether they're commuting, on a subway, Lyft, or something else, their mix of feel-good 80's, 90's, and early 00's hits and an occasional deeper cut. Potentially the setlist could contain anything from "A Million Miles Away" by the Plimsouls to "Dead Leaves And The Dirty Ground" by The White Stripes. WiFi is everywhere and so is the radio app, and I can plug in a nice mix that flows well for exhausted Gen-X and Millennials workers coming home.

As for currents, daypart would have to be a slower transformation because dumping what listeners you have into cold water can make the numbers even worse. But night? Night we need to get dangerous. And get dangerous FAST. We need to start getting viable callouts from listeners on a wide variety of currents to freshen up the station's sound. Make this station truly Alternative, and not just Z100's offshoot. Here are 22 currents that have been catching my attention, many of whom are on the rise or are about to launch, and I would be adding them at night over the course of November so I can see their viability. WNYL has 19 currents at the moment, so the space is there to add them.

Cannons - "Bad Dream"
Capital Theatre - "People"
COIN - "Chapstick"
Dijon - "Many Times" (I have a feeling about this one and want to get some callouts)
Foo Fighters - "Love Dies Young" (comfort food)
girl in red - "I'll Call You Mine"
Jack White - "Taking Me Back" (comfort food)
Holly Humberstone - "The Walls Are Way Too Thin"
Jungle - "Truth" (the current Audacy Pick)
Kings of Leon - "Time In Disguise" (comfort food)
The Marias - "Hush" (was an Audacy pick some weeks ago, got a 98% approval)
Modest Mouse - "The Sun Hasn't Left" (comfort food)
Nathaniel Rateliff & The Night Sweats - "Survivor"
nothing,nowhere. - "Pieces Of You"
The Regrettes - "Monday"
Rise Against - "Talking To Ourselves" (comfort food)
SUECO - "Paralyzed"
Bring Me The Horizon - "DiE4U"
Turnstile - "BLACKOUT"
The War On Drugs - "I Don't Live Here Anymore"
Wilderado - "Head Right" (was an Audacy pick some weeks ago, got a 91% approval)
Wolf Alice - "Smile"
The Wombats - "If You Ever Leave, I'm Coming With You"

This mixture of rock, indie, and synthpop/indie pop provides a wide definition of "alternative" and provides a link between the older listeners and the younger ones. Some of these songs are not going to work - and that's fine, they're not starting in daypart. But right now, WNYL is in no position to play conservative - I am shooting for the moon, seeing what's going to work.

Finally, and this is going to be the most controversial part of this post I'm sure, I would drop "My Universe". I like the song, a lot, but the song's presence perfectly embodies the format erosion, and the song is already declining in popularity as the BTS stans are moving on from it (plus the BTS stans are never going to listen to WNYL anyway). I would also drop "Angels & Demons" by jxdn, which has been driven into the ground for nearly two years by WNYL at this point.

I would move "Missing Piece" by Vance Joy, "you asked for this" by Halsey, "BRIGHTSIDE" by The Lumineers and "What You Say" by Cold War Kids to medium. The four artists all broke out in the 2010's, and they have had some past success on pop radio (especially Halsey), but they add a bit more sonic variety to my pop crossovers in the daypart and will help build the "sonic threads" to bind my disparate ends of the Alternative format together. Dave Matthews Band and Imagine Dragons sound way less awkward with Vance Joy in-between them, to give an example. None of the four songs have crossed to pop yet, so it helps to gently begin the rebuilding of the station's image. Vance, Lumineers and Halsey in particular have relevance to Zoomers, as they get strong streaming numbers from people in that generation.

(P.S. I wish I could rescue "Oh!" by the Linda Lindas too, as they sound like they could kick some serious ass on Alternative, but it's too late. Maybe next single).

But yeah, this would be my plan to fix the music on the station. Obviously I would need clearer industry data to better inform my plan, but from what I can glean this is the best I can come up with.
 
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They've definitely moved away from the alt-pop sound from a year ago where it was all '00s to now alt-pop in favor of more heavy 90s/00s gold. While they're "worn out" songs, it sounds like they're trying a little bit to fix the problem. For example, I no longer hear them play things like 24k "Mood", but I hear things like "Bullet with Butterfly Wings" by Smashing Pumpkins.
 
But yeah, this would be my plan to fix the music on the station. Obviously I would need clearer industry data to better inform my plan, but from what I can glean this is the best I can come up with.
You are making all kinds of decisions because "that is what I'd do".

Stations don't do what the PD likes to do. They do regular "call out" research (which is really done online now) on currents and fresher recurrents. They do OMTs, or Online Music Tests of the whole library. For each kind of research, they recruit only persons who are station or format partisans and who listen enough to terrestrial radio to know the songs.

Rotations and categories are determined by the results of those tests. And, added in on the newest songs, is data about streams and on-demand play.

While a PD may "instinctively" move faster on a new song or drop or slow down an older one based on programming feel, that is always later verified through the research.

"Plans" are dictated by fans. Not the in-the-building staff. The skill of a good PD is seen in how the research is interpreted and implemented.
 
You are making all kinds of decisions because "that is what I'd do".

Stations don't do what the PD likes to do. They do regular "call out" research (which is really done online now) on currents and fresher recurrents. They do OMTs, or Online Music Tests of the whole library. For each kind of research, they recruit only persons who are station or format partisans and who listen enough to terrestrial radio to know the songs.

Rotations and categories are determined by the results of those tests. And, added in on the newest songs, is data about streams and on-demand play.

While a PD may "instinctively" move faster on a new song or drop or slow down an older one based on programming feel, that is always later verified through the research.

"Plans" are dictated by fans. Not the in-the-building staff. The skill of a good PD is seen in how the research is interpreted and implemented.
KCKC an AC/Adult Hits hybrid in KC has an "all-request hour" which might let the PD (who hosts the block) know what to play for the station.
 
KCKC an AC/Adult Hits hybrid in KC has an "all-request hour" which might let the PD (who hosts the block) know what to play for the station.
No station is going to program for hundreds of thousands of listeners based on a few phone calls or email or text requests.

Stations in a market that big do music tests with a carefully recruited sample and an extensive list of songs to test.
 
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