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Alt 92.3

Alternative radio in the 90s got those consensus audiences because it was the best/only option for hearing new music.

At the same time, the music attracted a consensus community. Especially in big cities. They got together and listened to music in large groups, and built relationships through the music. It was almost a repeat of the peace & love experience in the 60s, but with different issues and different music. That doesn't happen in alternative music now the way it did 25 years ago.

They aren't growing up with radio as their main music source, partly because radio is obsessed with 25-54 and failed to invest in serving those younger listeners when it mattered.

There's a lot of mythology in that sentence. People do lots of things and use lots of products that were not part of their experience when they were kids. The radio stations boomers grew up with didn't target them when they were teens. Radio stations aren't there to be a "main music source." That's simply a perversion of what radio is.

You're making a music problem a radio problem. The music industry has ceased to invest in music for young people. The only company that used to do this was Disney, and now they're also obsessed with 25-54. So who will invest in the music for young people now? The young people themselves. And that's bad news for those who seek to create consensus music. It just furthers the musical cocoon.

Country is a superstar format. The same relatively small bunch of artists stay on the charts for years churning out record after record. Nashville is a well-oiled, tightly controlled machine that creates a product that still works well on radio and satisfies an audience that craves formula and familiarity, not new music discovery.

Part of that isn't true. The country music industry is focused around launching new artists. There's a country radio convention going on right now that's focused on introducing dozens of new artists to radio programmers in order to get their music played on the radio. That's what's missing in the alternative format. There is no investment on the part of alternative music as a genre to do what you say Nashville does. If there was, we wouldn't have the problem we have right now. The problem with alternative radio begins with alternative music. Great music makes for great radio. In alternative, everyone has their own opinion about what great music is. Radio stations can't make money with that.

You can't see music radio as something that's separate from the music industry. They have to be partners and work together, or it all falls apart.
 
ALT and Country will never work in the NYC book due to the ethnic comp of the NY market. A station needs a nice mix of all ethnicities to win in the NY book. Long gone are the day of being a suburban station with a low rank ratings position for revenue.
 
ALT and Country will never work in the NYC book due to the ethnic comp of the NY market. A station needs a nice mix of all ethnicities to win in the NY book.
They tried, by playing lots of hip hop-influenced "rap rock" groups and artists like Dominic Fike, Twenty-One Pilots, Gorillaz, Post Malone, etc. It didn't work. So now they're back to the "mostly white guys with guitars" version of Alternative.
 
ALT and Country will never work in the NYC book due to the ethnic comp of the NY market. A station needs a nice mix of all ethnicities to win in the NY book. Long gone are the day of being a suburban station with a low rank ratings position for revenue.
By that logic, WAXQ, with a classic rock format that largely skews white male, should not be somewhere around 4th or 6th in the market, but here we are.

I believe one of the reasons why Alt has struggled has been due to the fragmentation of the format that has been discussed countless times on this forum. You have more pop rock groups, the rap rock groups, and then the gold Alt stuff from the 90s through 2010s, and it all just clashes together. Audacy has been rethinking their strategy on Alt clearly, and the changes are evident at WNYL.

With that said, I don't think it will ever be that popular of a station, but it certainly bills well enough for Audacy not to ditch the format for a simulcast of WINS, for example, and eliminate a revenue stream.
 
You can't blame the demographics of NYC for ALT 92.3 ratings. If that was the case WAXQ and WCBS-FM would not get the high ratings they get
The Classic Rock played on WAXQ is much more popular and has more consensus amongst a larger group of people than the newer music on WNYL. Not to mention that 1990s grunge may be making its way onto WAXQ (although I'm not entirely sure as I haven't checked their playlist), so fans of grunge who dislike the current product would probably be more likely to tune into WAXQ to hear their grunge favorites (if they are indeed playing grunge) alongside songs much more compatible with grunge than the current alternative pop of WNYL.

WCBS-FM is a Classic Hits station, and one that plays a lot of pop music, so their appeal amongst Hispanics would be a lot higher than a station playing current music from a fragmented genre.
 
The Classic Rock played on WAXQ is much more popular and has more consensus amongst a larger group of people than the newer music on WNYL. Not to mention that 1990s grunge may be making its way onto WAXQ (although I'm not entirely sure as I haven't checked their playlist), so fans of grunge who dislike the current product would probably be more likely to tune into WAXQ to hear their grunge favorites (if they are indeed playing grunge) alongside songs much more compatible with grunge than the current alternative pop of WNYL.
And yes, Q104.3 is playing 90s rock.
 
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From what I'm seeing, the '90s titles on Q104.3 have not increased in number or frequency compared to 10 years ago. They play a few of the really big alternative bands like Nirvana, Green Day, Red Hot Chili Peppers, and Stone Temple Pilots; as well as bands like the Black Crowes and Blues Traveler that honestly fit in better with '70s rock than they do with their contemporaries. And those only pop up once an hour at most. WNYL is still your best bet for '90s rock as far as commercial stations in NYC proper go.
 
I noticed that there is a new person on in the afternoons what happened to Brady? We have a British gentlemen.
 
I think reverting to the KRock brand maybe a good idea. Or a simulcast of 1010 WINS then again 880 wouldn't have an FM simulcast. I find that 1010 and 880 should merge. Make 1010 or 880 sports betting maybe?
 
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