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AM 1230 HISTORY FROM 1986 TO 1999

Hey Guys:

After doing my research on 1230 I am totaly confused about the format history from 1986 to when 1230 went to KOY Nostalgia.

I have so many different formats and calls ex: (KMYL, KPMX, KISO, KYOT, KISP, KAMJ twice with sports and talk) I am not sure which one's are correct. Can anybody help me out with this?

Thanks for your help.

T.J
 
t.j. said:
Hey Guys:

After doing my research on 1230 I am totaly confused about the format history from 1986 to when 1230 went to KOY Nostalgia.

I have so many different formats and calls ex: (KMYL, KPMX, KISO, KYOT, KISP, KAMJ twice with sports and talk) I am not sure which one's are correct. Can anybody help me out with this?

Thanks for your help.

T.J

I know this one. I ran that station for awhile...

KMYL - Nostalgia ("Music of Your Life")
Then KAMJ (AC) - Simulcast of 101.5 KAMJ-FM
Then KAMJ (Talk) - an early Limbaugh affilate before anyone knew who Rush Limbaugh was. Then it became Sports Radio 1230, keeping the KAMJ calls.

KPMX - Sports/Talk. This was the exact same format that KAMJ had been running at the time. EZ Communications was preparing to flip Hot AC KAMJ-FM to "Mix 101" when they heard KZZP running "Mix 104.7" sweepers in the middle of the night to establish a trademark. So before KZZP could get the papers filed, they flipped 1230 to KPMX "Mix 1230, the best mix of sports & talk" to keep KZZP from flipping to Mix 104.7. (That station ended up as Variety 104.7 KVRY.) The day that 101.5 flipped to Mix 101, the calls reverted back to KAMJ ("AM 1230") with the same sports format.

After KAMJ came KISP (Kiss 1230) - Urban AC.

Then KYOT. There was no format change from Urban AC and the slogan remained Kiss 1230. Sundance Broadcasting had paid someone for the rights to the KYOT call letters, but the sale of KOY AM/FM from Edens to Sundance had been delayed while the FCC fought with itself over what was the proper fine for an EEO violation. At the time that the calls had become available, they didn't own 95.5 yet so they had to park them somewhere. About 3 days after the sale closed, KOY-FM became KYOT-FM. Jorgenson never bothered to change the call sign on 1230 until after the Smooth Jazz format had become established at 95.5 and they were concerned that some diary credit from the FM might have been attributed to the AM and vice versa. KISP was no longer available so it became KISO and remained Urban AC Kiss 1230.

The station spun to Colfax, then Chancellor. Sometime in 1998 or so the format flipped to classic country ("Kiss Country") to give KMLE a flanker attack on KNIX. Ratings no-show. [and when more companies combined and spun off assets, KMLE went to CBS and KNIX became a sister station to 1230 under Clear Channel]

Then Clear Channel started moving around their AMs. Clear Channel bought the call letters & intellectual property of 1360 KGME (Sports) from Salem (who bought that station out of bankruptcy) and put it 910 KFYI. KFYI's call sign and format moved to 550 KOY. KOY's call sign & nostalgia format moved to 1230.
 
johndavis said:
The station spun to Colfax, then Chancellor. Sometime in 1998 or so the format flipped to classic country ("Kiss Country") to give KMLE a flanker attack on KNIX. Ratings no-show. [and when more companies combined and spun off assets, KMLE went to CBS and KNIX became a sister station to 1230 under Clear Channel

IIRC, 1230 (KISO then? The CDBS database shows that it was KYOT from 1992-99, although I think this is wrong) switched to Classic Country when The Mickey Mouse Outfit bought 1580 and it became Radio Disney.

Then Clear Channel started moving around their AMs. Clear Channel bought the call letters & intellectual property of 1360 KGME (Sports) from Salem (who bought that station out of bankruptcy) and put it 910 KFYI. KFYI's call sign and format moved to 550 KOY. KOY's call sign & nostalgia format moved to 1230.

KGME was on 550 for about a year (April 1999 to May (?) 2000) before swapping with KFYI. This was at the end of the Bruce Jacobs/Mike Golic pairing before Golic moved to ESPN. KOY moved to 1230 in April 1999, although I think it took about a month for the FCC to process the switch. I remember hearing a KOY ID on KGME 550 at the top of the hour into May '99.
 
johndavis said:
Jorgenson never bothered to change the call sign on 1230 until after the Smooth Jazz format had become established at 95.5 and they were concerned that some diary credit from the FM might have been attributed to the AM and vice versa.

When The Coyote debuted on 95~Five, our recollection is a vocal based format very unlike today's Smooooth Jazz.

It amazes Nurse Jeff and me that 12~Thirty still pulls 6+ numbers given its' dial position and limited coverage. And to think KRIZ did double digits back in the day 12~Thirty ran with 250 watts of music pow-pow-power at night!

A tip of the fez to Mr Davis for his detailed account ;)
 
Andy Olson was PD of KMYL, and I did their imaging.
Del Hull, former PD of KOOL Gold AM 960, was GM.
 
KeithE4 said:
johndavis said:
The station spun to Colfax, then Chancellor. Sometime in 1998 or so the format flipped to classic country ("Kiss Country") to give KMLE a flanker attack on KNIX. Ratings no-show. [and when more companies combined and spun off assets, KMLE went to CBS and KNIX became a sister station to 1230 under Clear Channel

IIRC, 1230 (KISO then? The CDBS database shows that it was KYOT from 1992-99, although I think this is wrong) switched to Classic Country when The Mickey Mouse Outfit bought 1580 and it became Radio Disney.

1230 was KISO when AMFM flipped it to Country. I left Sundance in 1996 and the station had been KISO for quite awhile before I left. I think they moved the studios over to KOOL on 7th Street when it was country because it had a live morning show. There's no way you could have done anything live in the closet that was the "studio" that we built for 1230 at 840 North Central.

KGME was on 550 for about a year (April 1999 to May (?) 2000) before swapping with KFYI. This was at the end of the Bruce Jacobs/Mike Golic pairing before Golic moved to ESPN. KOY moved to 1230 in April 1999, although I think it took about a month for the FCC to process the switch. I remember hearing a KOY ID on KGME 550 at the top of the hour into May '99.

Thanks. I was living in California at that point, so that part is a little fuzzy.
 
Dr. Akbar said:
johndavis said:
Jorgenson never bothered to change the call sign on 1230 until after the Smooth Jazz format had become established at 95.5 and they were concerned that some diary credit from the FM might have been attributed to the AM and vice versa.

When The Coyote debuted on 95~Five, our recollection is a vocal based format very unlike today's Smooooth Jazz.

It amazes Nurse Jeff and me that 12~Thirty still pulls 6+ numbers given its' dial position and limited coverage. And to think KRIZ did double digits back in the day 12~Thirty ran with 250 watts of music pow-pow-power at night!

A tip of the fez to Mr Davis for his detailed account ;)

Oh, you mean the Rhythm & Rock format that Jorgy dreamed up while sitting at a Phoenix Suns game? If any AM diaries got credited with FM listening during that period, we were just damn happy to have something showing up for the FM. After 95.5 started being successful with the jazz format they started looking at it more critically.

Some insight into the world of Sundance: 101.5 was pretty much Jorgy's personal jukebox when he bought it. He got a screaming deal because EZ needed cash, and with the cashflow that WMIL in Milwaukee was generating, Jorgy could write a check for a little more than $3 million and had KZON & KISP debt free.

When he bought the KOY combo for something around $7 million, Jorgy had to take out a loan. (Still, think about it, he had 4 stations for about half of what Sandusky paid for KUPD & KUKQ. The guy was a hell of a businessman.) So the guy dreams up a format of only fast tempo rock & soul songs, calls in some very respected names in programming consulting to look it over (who probably don't want to admit to ever being involved in it today), and proceeds to micromanage the hell out of it. At one point, we even got our grubby hands on the KCBS "Arrow" library (All Rock and Roll Oldies, which had a decent run for a time in the 90's) but couldn't play half of it because the one rule you could never break was tempo.

Then the book came out. Y-95's last book was a 1.9. The Coyote's first? 0.9.

That's when Mike sat down and said to us "Well, I suppose I should stick to sales and get out of programming." He was still fairly hands on (the guy never slept) but after a week's deliberation, Smooth Jazz was chosen. [Except we could not utter the word Jazz at first... we called it Smooth Rhythyms.] A Jazz/NAC station had flipped format, so we bought their CD library and hired its old PD, Nick Francis. We worked out a system of portable DAT recorders & RE-20 mics and shipped them to Talaya Trigueros, Blake Lawrence, & Barbara Blake. Cliff Smith was on the loose from WJJZ in Philly and he came to town to do mornings. The jazz format was put together in 30 days.

After awhile, Broadcast Architecture was brought in for a music test, and at the end, the guy from BA decided to get Mike's attention. He first asked people in the room how to describe the music they had just heard. They called it Jazz, they called it Smooth Jazz, they called it everything but Smooth Rhythms. Then he picked up a KYOT bumper sticker and asked them if they could identify what was in the picture (best described as a futuristic looking coyote). Nobody knew what it was. Asked them what would be a better visual way to identify the station? A saxophone. Pretty much everything that Jorgy had mandated was shot down by the audience in that room that night - and to his credit, he listened, changed the slogan and the logo, and the station grew. (To me, this means he learned his lesson from the Rhythm & Rock mess.)

But with the pressure to pay that note on (and I think he wanted to pay it off early and go back to being debt free) KZON also stopped being his personal jukebox. This was no longer where you'd hear Hans Olson doing the ID's (or playing his music) and "12 in a row that you don't know."

I pretty much grew up working for those stations - I was a senior at Brophy when I started at 101.5 and I had graduated from ASU by the time I left. I learned a lot about life and radio from working for Jorgy, and I miss the guy.

By the way, Dr. Akbar, the secret to the dirty 1230 is that 5/8th wave tower on Buckeye Rd. It puts out a monster signal on a garbage frequency. If they ever try to move it somewhere else, you won't see the same coverage.
 
Liz B. said:
Andy Olson was PD of KMYL, and I did their imaging.
Del Hull, former PD of KOOL Gold AM 960, was GM.

Am I correct in remembering that in addition to getting the rights to the "Music of Your Life" format from KLFF 1360 Del also got most of their air staff? My mom had pretty much followed Jim Spero and the others across the dial from KXIV to KLFF, so she had to have listened to KMYL. She still misses those stations.
 
Ah, the volatile 80's. I started working for KONC 101.5 FM just after the Boston Globe bought it from the owners of KHEP FM, which was a classical music station. The next year or so later, the station was sold to EZ Communications and the format was changed to AC and called Magic 101. A couple of years later almost the entire staff of KMYL was hired by EZ Communications and fired after a six-month failed experiment on the AM 1230 side, which it bought from KFLR, I believe. In the meantime, EZ had hired three or four different general managers during their brief ownership along with about the same number of pd's. (One of the gm's was Milton Berle's nephew, Doug Berle) I had never learned why EZ sold the station to Sundance, but thanks to John Davis, now I do. Thanks.
 
Are we certain 1230 didn't do sports before it did political talk? ISTR that, when my family moved to the Valley in 1989, the station had a sports-news loop playing all morning, with a mix of local sports-talk, national sports-talk and out-of-town PBP filling out the rest of the day, while Limbaugh arrived a year or two later (several years after shooting to the top of the ratings charts at both WABC and KFI, not when he was an unknown), accompanied by the likes of Bob Grant.
 
ykw said:
Are we certain 1230 didn't do sports before it did political talk? ISTR that, when my family moved to the Valley in 1989, the station had a sports-news loop playing all morning, with a mix of local sports-talk, national sports-talk and out-of-town PBP filling out the rest of the day, while Limbaugh arrived a year or two later (several years after shooting to the top of the ratings charts at both WABC and KFI, not when he was an unknown), accompanied by the likes of Bob Grant.

In 1989/1990 the imaging was "Sports Radio 1230" - Jeff Aaron (now doing afternoons at a suburban Seattle station) did a local show in the morning, they aired Oakland A's baseball, and ran Sports Byline USA at night. Back then you didn't have much syndicated sports programming outside of nights, so the political shows & stuff like Dr. Dean Edell & Bruce Williams ran in the other dayparts to keep the needles moving. If you could pick it up on SEDAT and you could get it for barter, KAMJ ran it.

Limbaugh was an unknown in the market when he aired on 1230. Nobody knew he was there. They weren't paying for the show either. When KFYI offered to do cash + barter, EZ didn't fight letting it go. I remember one of the corporate suits saying "This Limbaugh guy is supposed to be the future of talk radio, but I don't see it. He's never shown for us in the ratings." Then he blew up on 910 KFYI.

When it flipped to Urban AC as Kiss 1230 KISP the Oakland A's games had to finish out the season on the station because they couldn't get out of the contract. I flipped the switch from Studio B to the computer at 12:05AM on a Saturday morning to ABC's The Touch and KAMJ was dead. (Why 12:05? We had to clear Mutual News one last time.)

The call sign flip to KPMX was just for the purposes of parking the calls and slogan for the FM. 1230's programming never changed when it went from Sports Radio 1230 to KPMX and back to AM1230 KAMJ.

The whole purpose of going to Urban AC was to help KMXX do better on cost per point. Gary Brobst (RIP) registered the station with Arbitron as "Adult Contemporary" (as was the FM) and figured that with a 2% black population with no station to call their own it would be good for about a one share. [He was right.] Sales would then sell the station in combo and hope that nobody noticed that one of those shares in the cost per point calculation was coming from the AM. It was a 5 way AC battle, so they had to be creative. Gary said he wanted the station to give him "an Arbitron Kiss." And so it became Kiss 1230.
 
johndavis said:
By the way, Dr. Akbar, the secret to the dirty 1230 is that 5/8th wave tower on Buckeye Rd. It puts out a monster signal on a garbage frequency. If they ever try to move it somewhere else, you won't see the same coverage.

That is one tall tower for a high end Ancient Modulation station! Such a forlorn looking building and transmitter site, given the storied history of KRIZ 1~2~3. Last time the Nurse and I drove by 24th Av & Buckeye, we thought we saw a sign proclaiming it to be the Doubleday Drop House with the vacancy sign lit :eek:
 
Re: AM 1230 HISTORY FROM 1986 TO 1999 TO JOHNDAVIS

Hey Johndavis:

Thanks for that info. It really helped out a lot.

Could you tell me when did 1230 KAMJ go from Talk to Sports "Sportsradio 1230"?

And when did KAMJ calls change to KPMX?

Thanks
T.J.
 
Re: AM 1230 HISTORY FROM 1986 TO 1999 TO JOHNDAVIS

t.j. said:
Hey Johndavis:

Thanks for that info. It really helped out a lot.

Could you tell me when did 1230 KAMJ go from Talk to Sports "Sportsradio 1230"?

And when did KAMJ calls change to KPMX?

Thanks
T.J.

I started working there in March of 1990, and the calls flipped to KPMX shortly after that. KAMJ-FM flipped to KMXX and KPMX flipped back to KAMJ May 7, 1990. It was a temporary thing to protect against Nationwide from claiming "Mix" first.

Even though it did not run all sports all the time, I think that KAMJ was always called Sportsradio 1230 once it stopped simulcasting Magic 101. During the KPMX months it was "Mix 1230, the best mix of sports and talk." Once it reverted back to KAMJ it became "AM 1230, your station for sports and talk." The calls weren't part of the image, they were just used for the top of hour id.
 
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