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Sean Gilbow said:No, it wasn't. Members of Congress headed by Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid sought an apology from Clear Channel. In defending Limbaugh, Clear Channel President Mark Mays now risks those plans to take the company private, which will be scrutinized by those same members of Congress.
No offense dude, but you need to get a grip. This is absolutely NOT what happened or is going to happen. But then again, what do you expect from someone who thinks a 1.5 is a great rating.
Sean Gilbow said:No, it wasn't. Members of Congress headed by Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid sought an apology from Clear Channel. In defending Limbaugh, Clear Channel President Mark Mays now risks those plans to take the company private, which will be scrutinized by those same members of Congress.
"One would think Democrats would find enough to criticize in the things Rush Limbaugh actually says, since he rarely has kind things to say about them. But Mr. Limbaugh was being attacked Monday for something he didn't say. And the timing of the attack makes it clear the Democrats knew perfectly well that what they were saying about Rush wasn't true."
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2007/10/democrats_getting_high_on_limb.html
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boyphenom said:Sean Gilbow said:No, it wasn't. Members of Congress headed by Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid sought an apology from Clear Channel. In defending Limbaugh, Clear Channel President Mark Mays now risks those plans to take the company private, which will be scrutinized by those same members of Congress.
No offense dude, but you need to get a grip. This is absolutely NOT what happened or is going to happen. But then again, what do you expect from someone who thinks a 1.5 is a great rating.
According to the recent Arbitrends, a 1.5 would put the station in a tie for 16th place with Joy 106.3 (WJYD), the Radio One gospel station with a signal challenge greater than WTDA's.
And it means the station has 2.5 times as many listeners as DEAD LAST WYTS.
As for getting a grip, a number of regulars have said the same thing about some of your previous postings, particularly with regard to WHKC.
http://www.radio-info.com/smf/index.php/topic,80911.20.html
Sean Gilbow said:boyphenom said:Sean Gilbow said:No, it wasn't. Members of Congress headed by Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid sought an apology from Clear Channel. In defending Limbaugh, Clear Channel President Mark Mays now risks those plans to take the company private, which will be scrutinized by those same members of Congress.
No offense dude, but you need to get a grip. This is absolutely NOT what happened or is going to happen. But then again, what do you expect from someone who thinks a 1.5 is a great rating.
According to the recent Arbitrends, a 1.5 would put the station in a tie for 16th place with Joy 106.3 (WJYD), the Radio One gospel station with a signal challenge greater than WTDA's.
And it means the station has 2.5 times as many listeners as DEAD LAST WYTS.
At the end of its run WTPG was down to a .8 way below the often quoted 1.5. that was the best the station ever did, back during the elections.
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Allfirdup said:Sean Gilbow said:boyphenom said:Sean Gilbow said:No, it wasn't. Members of Congress headed by Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid sought an apology from Clear Channel. In defending Limbaugh, Clear Channel President Mark Mays now risks those plans to take the company private, which will be scrutinized by those same members of Congress.
No offense dude, but you need to get a grip. This is absolutely NOT what happened or is going to happen. But then again, what do you expect from someone who thinks a 1.5 is a great rating.
According to the recent Arbitrends, a 1.5 would put the station in a tie for 16th place with Joy 106.3 (WJYD), the Radio One gospel station with a signal challenge greater than WTDA's.
And it means the station has 2.5 times as many listeners as DEAD LAST WYTS.
At the end of its run WTPG was down to a .8 way below the often quoted 1.5. that was the best the station ever did, back during the elections.
I was not one of them. But the station did score a 1.2, which is still better than WTDA is doing right now. And double 1230's current audience.
You would think that no one ever got fired in radio before January 1, 1997. I certainly sympathize with the personality who got fired around Christmas with a pregnant wife. The same thing happened to me (just closer to Easter). Was that recently? By an "eeee-vil big corporation"? No,it was in 1986, by a mom-and-pop who also owned a pager company, after I had packed us up and moved us 400 miles away. My wife-at-the-time was 8 months pregnant when I got fired from an afternoon drive shift completely uinexpectedly.
There were certainly more bodies in working in radio years ago (as in most other industries). The number of people working in radio who actually made anything close to a middle-classs living was quite small. There was no way to move up in a company, you could only change employers. Maybe if the computer had never been invented, we'd all be playing 45s for 5.15 an hour working the graveyard shift again, I don't know.
There is no monopoly in Columbus or any other radio. Clear Channel does not own every signal on the dial. They still own around 5% nationwide. As for programming decisions (specifically the decision to carry Rush, et al ) "being made in corporate boardrooms", are you really telling me he wouldn't be on the air if consolodation disn't happen, and that he's being forced involuntarily on 20 million listeners a day who VOLUNTARILY tune in? Depite the fact that muchj of Rush's growth was in the pre-1996 era?
I always get a kick out of folks who decry consolodation, the lack of localism, etc, and tell me they're going to satellite. You know, where there are only 2 owners and possibly soon one? No opportunity for localism whatsoever? Yeah, that's the one
There were certainly more bodies in working in radio years ago (as in most other industries). The number of people working in radio who actually made anything close to a middle-classs living was quite small. There was no way to move up in a company, you could only change employers. Maybe if the computer had never been invented, we'd all be playing 45s for 5.15 an hour working the graveyard shift again, I don't know.
There is no monopoly in Columbus or any other radio. Clear Channel does not own every signal on the dial. They still own around 5% nationwide. As for programming decisions (specifically the decision to carry Rush, et al ) "being made in corporate boardrooms", are you really telling me he wouldn't be on the air if consolodation disn't happen, and that he's being forced involuntarily on 20 million listeners a day who VOLUNTARILY tune in? Depite the fact that muchj of Rush's growth was in the pre-1996 era?
I always get a kick out of folks who decry consolodation, the lack of localism, etc, and tell me they're going to satellite. You know, where there are only 2 owners and possibly soon one? No opportunity for localism whatsoever? Yeah, that's the one
Very well put, gr8t.
And the other thing some people forget here is...like it or not...Rush still pulls numbers. Big numbers. Ok, perhaps off a bit from his peak a few years back...but around 15 million or so is still nowhere near hateful.
And he is...still...America's #1 talk show. Period. And that's why he's on the air. No dictates from corporate. No putting a gun to the head of PD's. Rush still make hefty money for most all of his stations.
And what's funny is: the more some of you on the left keep spreading the mis-information about the "phony soldiers" remark (which was basically talking points from Media Matters), the more you make people who have actually read the entire transcript (which many of you have not read), mad.
And what does that mean? The more you talk about him...the more you make him the issue, the more publicity you give him and the higher his ratings will go.
So, keep talking, guys. Conservative talk radio says: Thank you!
And the other thing some people forget here is...like it or not...Rush still pulls numbers. Big numbers. Ok, perhaps off a bit from his peak a few years back...but around 15 million or so is still nowhere near hateful.
And he is...still...America's #1 talk show. Period. And that's why he's on the air. No dictates from corporate. No putting a gun to the head of PD's. Rush still make hefty money for most all of his stations.
And what's funny is: the more some of you on the left keep spreading the mis-information about the "phony soldiers" remark (which was basically talking points from Media Matters), the more you make people who have actually read the entire transcript (which many of you have not read), mad.
And what does that mean? The more you talk about him...the more you make him the issue, the more publicity you give him and the higher his ratings will go.
So, keep talking, guys. Conservative talk radio says: Thank you!
Jason Roberts said:So, keep talking, guys. Conservative talk radio says: Thank you!
It was quite obvious what was happening by listening to Rush, Hannity, Savage, Ingraham and O'Reilly jump all over this. That dummy Harry Reid and the dumbocrats actually helped all these people stunt, giving them a good way to prime the pump for ratings! What dummies! I laughed when the presidential candidates started piling on next. I said to myself, "Are these idiots running for national talk show host?" Even liberal Joe Hallett was chastising MoveOn in today's Dispatch! ROTFLMAO! It's no wonder Air America was such a flop!
Limbaugh is such a hypocritical, lie-prone, sleazeball buffoon that it should've been easy for the Dems to find an *effective* way to cut him down at least to some degree. But instead, Reid and company ineptly played right into the big jerk's hands. That's really pathetic and disappointing. Hell, George Bush thinks more creatively than that when he chooses which crayons to use with his latest coloring book.
boyphenom
If Air America a flop then why is that Lionel and Thom Hartmann have about 1.5 million listeners? (Talkers Magazine) Ed Schultz have 3.25 million listeners. How is WYTS doing in the ratings? Oh that's right they are DEAD LAST. Then spewing right wing talking points verbatim doesn't make one smart. Listen to the hate spewing Michael "Weiner" Savage is not wise. Remember Rush is a draft dodger and a drug addict. Savage rumor to have a affair with another man.
Media Matters put the audio of those shows verbatim. Now I hope you can understand what the word verbatim means. The only audio being edited is Rush himself.
If Air America a flop then why is that Lionel and Thom Hartmann have about 1.5 million listeners? (Talkers Magazine) Ed Schultz have 3.25 million listeners. How is WYTS doing in the ratings? Oh that's right they are DEAD LAST. Then spewing right wing talking points verbatim doesn't make one smart. Listen to the hate spewing Michael "Weiner" Savage is not wise. Remember Rush is a draft dodger and a drug addict. Savage rumor to have a affair with another man.
Media Matters put the audio of those shows verbatim. Now I hope you can understand what the word verbatim means. The only audio being edited is Rush himself.
willcail said:boyphenom
If Air America a flop then why is that Lionel and Thom Hartmann have about 1.5 million listeners? (Talkers Magazine) Ed Schultz have 3.25 million listeners. How is WYTS doing in the ratings? Oh that's right they are DEAD LAST. Then spewing right wing talking points verbatim doesn't make one smart. Listen to the hate spewing Michael "Weiner" Savage is not wise. Remember Rush is a draft dodger and a drug addict. Savage rumor to have a affair with another man.
Media Matters put the audio of those shows verbatim. Now I hope you can understand what the word verbatim means. The only audio being edited is Rush himself.
If you can't get listeners, that makes it a flop;
If you can't get advertisers, that makes it a flop;
If you can't pay your bills, that makes it a flop;
If you have to file bankruptcy, that makes it a flop;
If you only get 1.5 million people (out of 300 million people) to listen to you, that makes it a flop!
boyphenom said:Sean Gilbow said:No, it wasn't. Members of Congress headed by Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid sought an apology from Clear Channel. In defending Limbaugh, Clear Channel President Mark Mays now risks those plans to take the company private, which will be scrutinized by those same members of Congress.
No offense dude, but you need to get a grip. This is absolutely NOT what happened or is going to happen. But then again, what do you expect from someone who thinks a 1.5 is a great rating.
For a little AM peashooter that had all but dropped out of the minds of many, a 1.5 share is pretty good.
Show me a similar station in a similar sized market these days that is doing that.
It's all relative.
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boyphenom said:Nu_Roo_2 said:Limbaugh is such a hypocritical, lie-prone, sleazeball buffoon that it should've been easy for the Dems to find an *effective* way to cut him down at least to some degree. But instead, Reid and company ineptly played right into the big jerk's hands. That's really pathetic and disappointing. Hell, George Bush thinks more creatively than that when he chooses which crayons to use with his latest coloring book.
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So let's get back to the original topic, which has nothing to do with Rush Limbaugh. However, I will mention that Clear Channel's Premiere Radio Networks syndicates him and Glenn Beck. So it's only logical Clear Channel wants Rush on as many of their stations as possible.
None of the progressive hosts that became part of the Talkers top audience list are syndicated by the arm of a radio station group.
Talkers Magazine lists the top 250 most important talk show hosts in America.
http://www.talkers.com/main/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=19&Itemid=44
The list begins with its so-called Heavy Hundred.
But out of all those hosts, only 39 have national audiences of more than 1 million.
http://www.talkers.com/main/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=17&Itemid=34
Of these, five are progressive talkers never heard of nationally before 2004, and all of them lost affiliates while gaining listeners during the first half of 2007.
The only flop here was the switch in formats in markets such as Columbus.
I have no desire to discuss some Oxycontin addict who didn't serve in Vietnam due to an anal cyst. Rush is not relevant to the original topic, as I made clear in the original post that Rush still rules the roost. So if you are going to continue flaming, stick to the subject.
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For a little AM peashooter that had all but dropped out of the minds of many, a 1.5 share is pretty good.
Show me a similar station in a similar sized market these days that is doing that.
It's all relative.
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WMNI, also a weaker am signal in Columbus, still plays music has no promotion and pulls 1.3 - 1.5 in the 12 plus numbers, so yes it can be done
For a little AM peashooter that had all but dropped out of the minds of many, a 1.5 share is pretty good.
Show me a similar station in a similar sized market these days that is doing that.
It's all relative.
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WMNI, also a weaker am signal in Columbus, still plays music has no promotion and pulls 1.3 - 1.5 in the 12 plus numbers, so yes it can be done
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WTPG is dead, always was dead, and will always be dead! If it was such a good station and format 103.9 would have picked it up when CC dumped it, but instead they went conservative too! Listen to your stream from Akron or whereever you get it from. Everyone knows (if they pay attention to elections) that there are even more democrats in NE ohio than here in Columbus, and that's why that station is still on the air, and WTPG is not. I think CC should dump what they have now and get Radio Disney on 1230. It's extremely well produced, has that Disney name that families love, and it's gotta do better than what 1230 is now!
WTPG is dead, always was dead, and will always be dead! If it was such a good station and format 103.9 would have picked it up when CC dumped it, but instead they went conservative too! Listen to your stream from Akron or whereever you get it from. Everyone knows (if they pay attention to elections) that there are even more democrats in NE ohio than here in Columbus, and that's why that station is still on the air, and WTPG is not. I think CC should dump what they have now and get Radio Disney on 1230. It's extremely well produced, has that Disney name that families love, and it's gotta do better than what 1230 is now!
When I lived in Columbus 1230 as WCOL was still the top station in town, but that was before FM, ,satellite and IPods. The main problem I see with "Progressive Talk" is that except for Stephanie Miller it is BORING!!! You can say anything you want about Rush, and he is an ass, but never ever boring.
I keep waiting for KTLK here in LA to flip to something else, maybe their salvation is that CC is too busy with the FM's in this market.
I keep waiting for KTLK here in LA to flip to something else, maybe their salvation is that CC is too busy with the FM's in this market.
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columbus radio fan said:Sean-
WTPG is dead, always was dead, and will always be dead! If it was such a good station and format 103.9 would have picked it up when CC dumped it, but instead they went conservative too! Listen to your stream from Akron or whereever you get it from. Everyone knows (if they pay attention to elections) that there are even more democrats in NE ohio than here in Columbus, and that's why that station is still on the air, and WTPG is not. I think CC should dump what they have now and get Radio Disney on 1230. It's extremely well produced, has that Disney name that families love, and it's gotta do better than what 1230 is now!
1. The Akron station flipped to sports six months ago.
2. The progressive talkers that currently have more than one million listeners have been in the business much longer than Air America has existed. Ed Schultz had a big following in North Dakota long before he moved to the left. Lionel dominated morning drive in NYC. Thom Hartmann had a big following in the Northwest, while Randi Rhodes has ruled afternoon drive in West Palm Beach (following Rush). And Stephanie Miller has been on the air in some of the nation's biggest markets. She is #2 in LA in morning drive. And all five of them can be heard on stations playing the likes of Rush, Hannity, Beck, Savage, etc., in various parts of the country.
3. That said...the remainder of the Air America lineup didn't have the on-air experience of the aforementioned five. Al Franken may have gotten the listeners, but I don't miss him. I subscribe to the podcasts of Steph and Big Eddie, and I get Rachel Maddow for free (a regular on Tucker Carlson's show), but I don't miss the Air America hosts much even with the reincarnation. And with hosts like Bill Press, Mike Malloy and Leslie Marshall, progressive talk could be programmed without using Air America at all. By the way...Marc Maron filled in for Rachel earlier this week. I don't miss him, either.
4. Do I see progressive talk returning? Not as a format in an of itself. But if NABCO were smart, it would find a way to air Steph for the entertainment value and Big Eddie for his ability to draw conservatives, especially with guests like the father of conservatism, Richard Viguerie. At least it wouldn't have to rely so much on Fox Sports.
5. Of the array of formats on 1230 over the years, WTPG still had the best numbers in recent memory. The numbers of WYTS are half (if that much) of WTPG at its peak, and the progressive talk format tripled the listeners from the "real oldies" format.
6. I agree with you on the Radio Disney comment. I'm surprised no other station has considered it. Then again, Columbus will have two stations arriving from Marion and Zanesville very shortly.
Oh, and WTDA only airs six hours of conservative talk a day, half of it posing as comedy. And Dennis Miller has yet to get his million listeners.
Would anybody really listen to Radio Disney on an AM signal? I doubt it.
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SportsRadioDoc said:Would anybody really listen to Radio Disney on an AM signal? I doubt it.
They do in Cleveland on AM 1260.
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