IF Bonneville retains 1260, 2 possibilities might occur. Oldies MAY return as well as the KYA calls, or Bonneville may wait until Entercom decides whether to retain the classical format at KDFC-102.1. While KDFC does well, Entercom doesn't have a kind history with Classical. If Entercom decides to drop the Classical format, see Bonneville changing the calls of KOIT-1260 to KDFC and changing the format to Classical. But my deep feeling is that Bonneville will sell 1260. I have heard that Immaculate Heart Radio is interested in a San Francisco signal for the EWTN Radio Network of Catholic Programming. IHR might buy KOIT-1260 from Bonneville if the price is right?
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AM 1260 From Morman To Catholic?
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I doubt Bonneville wants to have just one AM, especially when it likely has to find brand new programming for it. Bonneville probably already has a pretty good idea what it will do with 1260, or they wouldn't have kept it. My theory is that Bonneville will swap 1260. It seems like too good of a signal to pass up for some broadcaster like, say, Salem, and Salem has several signals Bonneville would want. It just seems too logical.
"IF Bonneville retains 1260, 2 possibilities might occur. Oldies MAY return as well as the KYA calls, or Bonneville may wait until Entercom decides whether to retain the classical format at KDFC-102.1. While KDFC does well, Entercom doesn't have a kind history with Classical. If Entercom decides to drop the Classical format, see Bonneville changing the calls of KOIT-1260 to KDFC and changing the format to Classical. But my deep feeling is that Bonneville will sell 1260."
I agree that Bonneville will likely sell 1260 - what good would it do to hold onto a stand-alone AM as your only station in a large market. Aren't "clusters" what it's all about for these radio corporations? But I don't buy either Classical, Oldies, or any other music format, no matter who the owners are, and how much heritage the KDFC and KYA call letters have. Remember that Saul Levine couldn't make either classical (K-Mozart) or Oldies work on 1510Am - and Saul has a long successful history of making money on stations with puny ratings - mostly in Los Angeles. Kent might have a point about Salem, though. They already own KFAX 1100 and KNTS 1220. They run their Hewitt-Prager-Medved shows on 1220 now, but it's a weak signal. Coincidentally, I believe 1220 is the old KIBE, which simulcast classical music with KDFC.
I agree that Bonneville will likely sell 1260 - what good would it do to hold onto a stand-alone AM as your only station in a large market. Aren't "clusters" what it's all about for these radio corporations? But I don't buy either Classical, Oldies, or any other music format, no matter who the owners are, and how much heritage the KDFC and KYA call letters have. Remember that Saul Levine couldn't make either classical (K-Mozart) or Oldies work on 1510Am - and Saul has a long successful history of making money on stations with puny ratings - mostly in Los Angeles. Kent might have a point about Salem, though. They already own KFAX 1100 and KNTS 1220. They run their Hewitt-Prager-Medved shows on 1220 now, but it's a weak signal. Coincidentally, I believe 1220 is the old KIBE, which simulcast classical music with KDFC.
But you have to factor in that when Saul ran "K-Mozart 1510", it was going against an established FM Classical Music Station plus the signal of 1510 isn't as good as 1260. If "K-Mozart" was on 1260 and did not have KDFC-102.1 as competition then it might have done better ratings wise compared to "K-Mozart-1510" WITH KDFC-102.1 as competition. Same goes for 1510 when they were Oldies. Again at that time "Oldies 1510" competed with KFRC-99.7FM (AND) 610 AM. KFRC didn't change from Oldies to Classic Hits until way after Saul sold 1510 to Mapleton. Salem might have a good chance at exchanging another station to Bonneville, but WHAT SALEM RADIO STATION, would Bonneville want? Immaculate Heart Radio has an interest in entering the San Francisco market with Catholic Programming via EWTN Global Catholic Radio.Lkeller said:
Well since we are just guessing...
How about KFAX for 1260 and some cash? Then Bonneville could have a big AM for
News in the Bay Area, like KSL/KTAR/WTOP and KIRO. The Mormons love Big AM's
and are also covering there bets (sorry) by moving to FM's simulcast too. ie. KTAR and WTOP. Got to Broadcast to the Flock.
How about KFAX for 1260 and some cash? Then Bonneville could have a big AM for
News in the Bay Area, like KSL/KTAR/WTOP and KIRO. The Mormons love Big AM's
and are also covering there bets (sorry) by moving to FM's simulcast too. ie. KTAR and WTOP. Got to Broadcast to the Flock.
Production Boy said:Well since we are just guessing...
How about KFAX for 1260 and some cash? Then Bonneville could have a big AM for
News in the Bay Area, like KSL/KTAR/WTOP and KIRO. The Mormons love Big AM's
and are also covering there bets (sorry) by moving to FM's simulcast too. ie. KTAR and WTOP. Got to Broadcast to the Flock.
Bonneville is moving all its N7T stations to FMs or FM simulcasts. KTAR moved. WTOP moved. KSL is treanitioning. They have no use for a bad stand alone AM.
Lkeller said:
Salem is currently in the process of constructing the facility for KNTS/1220 to boost its power to 50,000 watts, so there goes the "weak signal" argument.
You are correct, however, about 1220 being the descendant of Millard Kibbe's old KIBE.
DJ
DougR said:
How about Oldies on an AM station in the Bay Area? I have it on pretty good authority that it will be happening soon ... perhaps as early as the end of this week.
DJ
"Can everyone stop and think and stop acting like there is going to be a music format anyone wants to listen to on an AM station?"
THANK you, DougR - that was my point when I brought up Saul Levine's lack of success with classical K-Mozart and Oldies on 1510. Yes - I guess Saul had more competition for both formats than 1260 would today, but that's not the point.
I'm an admitted old fogey who likes to talk about the nostalgic days of the Big 610/KFRC, KYA, and the AM Top 40 stations I grew up with in LA. But that does NOT mean I want to listen to music in low fidelity AM monaural sound, and I don't think many other people do either. Classical music on AM is even worse - it sounds like crap. When I want a nostalgia fix, I can log onto reelradio.com and hear an old Big 610 or KHJ aircheck. For music at home, classical or rock - I listen to CDs, my MP3 Player, or MusicChoice on Comcast cable - all high fidelity stereo. I do practically all of my music RADIO listening in the car, and I want to hear it with hi-fi stereo sound!
THANK you, DougR - that was my point when I brought up Saul Levine's lack of success with classical K-Mozart and Oldies on 1510. Yes - I guess Saul had more competition for both formats than 1260 would today, but that's not the point.
I'm an admitted old fogey who likes to talk about the nostalgic days of the Big 610/KFRC, KYA, and the AM Top 40 stations I grew up with in LA. But that does NOT mean I want to listen to music in low fidelity AM monaural sound, and I don't think many other people do either. Classical music on AM is even worse - it sounds like crap. When I want a nostalgia fix, I can log onto reelradio.com and hear an old Big 610 or KHJ aircheck. For music at home, classical or rock - I listen to CDs, my MP3 Player, or MusicChoice on Comcast cable - all high fidelity stereo. I do practically all of my music RADIO listening in the car, and I want to hear it with hi-fi stereo sound!
When I want a nostalgia fix, I can log onto reelradio.com and hear an old Big 610 or KHJ aircheck.
And of course, I forgot to mention the Bay Area Radio Museum.
And of course, I forgot to mention the Bay Area Radio Museum.
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Re: AM 1260 From Morman To Catholic to your home of the Oakland A's
Why wouldn't the A's buy this frequency and make it their own? Is the signal that bad? Then we wouldn't have the season old question of, "Where are the A's this year?" I know, keep your 106.9 replies to yourself.
Why wouldn't the A's buy this frequency and make it their own? Is the signal that bad? Then we wouldn't have the season old question of, "Where are the A's this year?" I know, keep your 106.9 replies to yourself.
Well that's an interesting idea, but remember you need more than just baseball to
fill up airwaves 24/7 365. ESPN ?...taken by KNBR. But I'm sure there is enough
junk to fill with, but you still need someone to run it and that's gonna take a few folks. I think the A's would like to get money from someone for the rights rather than finance a property. Signals not great in the southbay, and arent they moving to Fremont? Perhaps when they get there some southbay station will carry them.
I spoke to someone in operations at KOIT today who said that 1260 was part of the Entercom deal, since it is KOIT AM. Now that does not mean that Entercom
won't spin it off.
fill up airwaves 24/7 365. ESPN ?...taken by KNBR. But I'm sure there is enough
junk to fill with, but you still need someone to run it and that's gonna take a few folks. I think the A's would like to get money from someone for the rights rather than finance a property. Signals not great in the southbay, and arent they moving to Fremont? Perhaps when they get there some southbay station will carry them.
I spoke to someone in operations at KOIT today who said that 1260 was part of the Entercom deal, since it is KOIT AM. Now that does not mean that Entercom
won't spin it off.
Well, NOT my KOIT insider apparently. Inside Radio mentioned this morning 1/23 that 1260 will be sold off by the mormons seperately and that they have several offers already. I guess someone still likes AM's.
Like Immaculate Heart Radio? They love AM stations. Let's see, Immaculate Heart Radio owns KWG-1230 Stockton, KJOP-1240 Lemoore and KHOT-1250 Madera. 1260 seems to be the next step, plus Immaculate Heart Radio REALLY wants a San Francisco signal. If the price is right.........Production Boy said:
KOIT-AM was never included in the exchange to Entercom because indepedent buyers were pursuing the purchase of KOIT-AM for the past couple of years.
They only concern of Bonneville's was who could get to the finish line (closing). A half a dozen companies pursued this facility, some were offering a couple of million less and others went to different markets.
In the end Immacculate Heart remained. I saw the CEO of Bonneville at the NAB and he said that around May 15th, it would be time for the buyer to "fish or cut bait"
It looks like that time has come today and we woun't hear the Chambers Brothers on 1260 Khz.
Newsperson
They only concern of Bonneville's was who could get to the finish line (closing). A half a dozen companies pursued this facility, some were offering a couple of million less and others went to different markets.
In the end Immacculate Heart remained. I saw the CEO of Bonneville at the NAB and he said that around May 15th, it would be time for the buyer to "fish or cut bait"
It looks like that time has come today and we woun't hear the Chambers Brothers on 1260 Khz.
Newsperson
Back in mid-January, I had heard from a friend of the business, who had told me that Immaculate Heart Radio was VERY INTERESTED in entering the San Francisco market with "EWTN Radio". And from what I had heard, Immaculate Heart Radio was very determined to acquire 1260, so I am not surprised that they stayed there to the end and won. I always knew that 1260 was either going to be religious or foreign language though I was hoping for either Oldies or Adult Standards. But realistically, Oldies and Adult Standards would be money losers.newsperson said:
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