AM 760 no longer 50kw at night?

[DrAkbar]

Well, the following weekend someone backed their truck into the KUDE parking lot, and dumped several tons of manure right onto the front of the building, blocking the entrance to the station. The guy planted a sign in the manure that read: "Hi Lyle - here's another point of view !"

Wasn't Nurse Jeff and me (can't get much in the trunk of a Gremlin). Today someone who did that would be ticketed by the cops and fined by the EPA for methane pollution. YIKES!

 

[michael hagerty]

Isn't 1210 KPRZ considered a North County Station as well because in the day time it's fuzzy at night and also during the day time in DownTown.

City of license is San Marcos-Poway. The stick is just east of the southern part of Lake San Marcos. Absolutely North County.

 

[TomásEstefan]

City of license is San Marcos-Poway. The stick is just east of the southern part of Lake San Marcos. Absolutely North County.

The religious stations Xmitter is in the Olivenhain area of Encinitas. Its 20 kW day, and 10 kW night powers cover San Diego day and night.

That was my point as well. I used to never hear KGB AM 760 in Phoenix until recently. Technically speaking, their directional night-time pattern should not put anything of significance toward Phoenix because they are protecting WJR in Detroit. But, since about 2021, they have been coming in well into Phoenix, sometimes very clearly, which makes me wonder if they are just staying on day power.

In North County San Diego, whether it’s the day pattern or night pattern, KGB comes in great along with KOGO. KFI and KNX are also like locals in the North County, although KNX’s skywave cancellation zone is pretty close to where I’m at here in Carlsbad. If I go a few miles inland to Vista and San Macros, the KNX fading is very strong. Here along the coast, there is no sign of that. As far as KFI is concerned, they might as well be a local station. They are great at night with a strong groundwave signal almost throughout the entire San Diego metropolitan area, save for El Cajon and Alpine where they also hit their skywave cancellation zone.

As far as 1360 KLSD AM is concerned, they are a non-factor up here in the North County at night. I can’t even pick them up out of the slop. During the day, they are weak as well so I can see why they always did bad in the books in the North County. Why I-Heart didn’t get a North County translator for 1360 AM is beyond me because the one they have now on 103.3 doesn’t get north of Mira Mesa and Carmel Valley (here in Carlsbad, 103.3 FM is all KRUZ from Santa Barbara).

AM 1320 KKSM is a pretty good station even today. While it may not talk about local Oceanside happenings, the college station has some good programming with a lot of interesting music geared shows on the weekends like Dan Sweeney’s One Hit Wonders and other oldies themed shows. Its signal is limited at only 500 watts to the Oceanside, Carlsbad, Vista, San Marcos and Encinitas area, but it is a unique station that I wish had an FM translator.

KUDE's (KKSM) 3 tower directional signal essentially fades within 10 miles south along the coast to protect XEC 1310 in Tijuana. However you can still hear the station as far East as Pauma Valley and Julian. There's a null to the Northeast as well to protect the Hemet station on 1320.

 

[Signal Geek]

KUDE's (KKSM) 3 tower directional signal essentially fades within 10 miles south along the coast to protect XEC 1310 in Tijuana. However you can still hear the station as far East as Pauma Valley and Julian. There's a null to the Northeast as well to protect the Hemet station on 1320.

KKSM is really shoe-horned in. Not only does it protect 1310 to the south and Hemet to the northeast, it's nulled to the northwest due to the 5kw AM on 1330 in L.A.

 

[TomásEstefan]

KKSM is really shoe-horned in. Not only does it protect 1310 to the south and Hemet to the northeast, it's nulled to the northwest due to the 5kw AM on 1330 in L.A.

It's funny that you mention that...because when you drive down the coast and "get past" KKSM and drive into La Jolla you tune in LA's 1330 almost like a local ! When KWKW's signal exits land at about Long beach it's a total water path to La La Jolla.

 

[dvdnjr91]

Speaking about XEC 1310 why does PSN need so many repeater stations. And XESDD 1030 is currently off the air.

 

[davideduardo]

Speaking about XEC 1310 why does PSN need so many repeater stations. And XESDD 1030 is currently off the air.

They own more bad AMs than they know what to do with so they just simulcast to keep anyone else from getting them

 

[TomásEstefan]

They own more bad AMs than they know what to do with so they just simulcast to keep anyone else from getting them

I guess it's: "What is mine is mine and what could be yours is also mine-so there..!"

 

[TomásEstefan]

When I lived in Carlsbad, KHJ had a better signal than either KCBQ or KGB at night, but in the daytime KCBQ came in strong up in Riverside.

KCBQ's directional 50 kw daytime signal had a great ERP inland but not much up the coast.

 

[davideduardo]

When I lived in Carlsbad, KHJ had a better signal than either KCBQ or KGB at night, but in the daytime KCBQ came in strong up in Riverside.

At night, KHJ basically shot the whole wad towards Orange County. There were areas in the San Fernando Valley that were very weak, and around northern Glendale and La Cañada, you could hear WKY underneath it.

During the nearly three dreadful years that I was at (K)KHJ, the first thing I did when examining a ratings book was to look where the Hispanic diaries went. if there were too many north of Hollywood Blvd, I knew it would be a bad book.

 

[TomásEstefan]

It's funny that you mention that...because when you drive down the coast and "get past" KKSM and drive into La Jolla you tune in LA's 1330 almost like a local ! When KWKW's signal exits land at about Long beach it's a total water path to La La Jolla.

Just a DXer's note: I should have added that on a sensitive portable radio you can actually hear 1320 on the beach at Malibu. You just null out 1330 and voilà 1320 is right there! (This is during daylight hours only, of course)

 

[TomásEstefan]

At night, KHJ basically shot the whole wad towards Orange County. There were areas in the San Fernando Valley that were very weak, and around northern Glendale and La Cañada, you could hear WKY underneath it.

During the nearly three dreadful years that I was at (K)KHJ, the first thing I did when examining a ratings book was to look where the Hispanic diaries went. if there were too many north of Hollywood Blvd, I knew it would be a bad book.

In the olden days when KHJ was still at their original site at Fairfax and Venice, the daytime ND signal in the West Valley was strong, their nighttime signal was fair. However when they moved the facility to Alvarado St in Echo Park, the daytime signal is fair but night time is really bad, weak with lots of co-channel. The ground conductivity at that site is awful... Doubt if back-in-the day there would be many nighttime listeners to "Boss Radio" in the West Valley!

 

[davideduardo]

In the olden days when KHJ was still at their original site at Fairfax and Venice, the daytime ND signal in the West Valley was strong, their nighttime signal was fair.

I was there '92 to '94 before Cecil called me across the street. By that time, the noise levels from newer technology was making the night signal very ´poor, particularly in the NE Valley areas around Sylmar, which are about 120% Hispanic

However when they moved the facility to Alvarado St in Echo Park, the daytime signal is fair but night time is really bad, weak with lots of co-channel. The ground conductivity at that site is awful...

It's up on a protrusion that is solid rock. Horrible.

 

[boiseengineer]

Reminds me when 670 (then KWNK) had a CP for 35 kw day from a site north of San Bernardino. They were doing preliminary signal measurement between the site and the L.A. metro and noticed a very big drop off of signal south of the site. Turned out there was a fault there. 35 kw CP was abandoned.
(They had already spent over $1m at 670 KBOI putting in a 6-tower array to get rid of KBOI covering Simi Valley up at night.)

 

[davideduardo]

Reminds me when 670 (then KWNK) had a CP for 35 kw day from a site north of San Bernardino. They were doing preliminary signal measurement between the site and the L.A. metro and noticed a very big drop off of signal south of the site. Turned out there was a fault there. 35 kw CP was abandoned.
(They had already spent over $1m at 670 KBOI putting in a 6-tower array to get rid of KBOI covering Simi Valley up at night.)

Yes, the fault is called "San Andreas". This is also an issue with 830 AM in the LA market, also on the wrong side of another (but smaller) fault line. I have looked several times for studies... even doctoral papers... about fault line effects on groundwave propagation, but never found anything.

 

[TomásEstefan]

Reminds me when 670 (then KWNK) had a CP for 35 kw day from a site north of San Bernardino. They were doing preliminary signal measurement between the site and the L.A. metro and noticed a very big drop off of signal south of the site. Turned out there was a fault there. 35 kw CP was abandoned.
(They had already spent over $1m at 670 KBOI putting in a 6-tower array to get rid of KBOI covering Simi Valley up at night.)

Was KBOI under common ownership with KWNK back then...because I remember long before KWNK existed KBOI put a pretty good signal in the SFV. BTW I think the proposed KWNK transmitter location in the high desert was actually near Lancaster.

 

[davideduardo]

Was KBOI under common ownership with KWNK back then...because I remember long before KWNK existed KBOI put a pretty good signal in the SFV. BTW I think the proposed KWNK transmitter location in the high desert was actually near Lancaster.

No, there was no common ownership. Lotus only entered the Northwest in recent years. They bought 4 Boise FMs in 2018, and have no AM interest there. KBOI was bought by Citadel in 2001, and in 2011 Citadel merged with Cumulus.

IIRC, the 670 site was in open land near Littlerock.

 

[boiseengineer]

No, there was no common ownership. Lotus only entered the Northwest in recent years. They bought 4 Boise FMs in 2018, and have no AM interest there. KBOI was bought by Citadel in 2001, and in 2011 Citadel merged with Cumulus.

IIRC, the 670 site was in open land near Littlerock.

Didn't say there was common ownership. KBOI was owned by Pacific NW Broadcasting. Lotus paid for the installation of 6 tower array, dropping 3 towers and putting up 5 new ones.
(Citadel bought KBOI just before construction started.)
I was one of the KBOI engineers working with Lindy Williams and his consultant Richard Haskey. It was a turnkey project.

 

[davideduardo]

Didn't say there was common ownership. KBOI was owned by Pacific NW Broadcasting.

No, Tomás Estefan asked about that.

Lotus paid for the installation of 6 tower array, dropping 3 towers and putting up 5 new ones.
(Citadel bought KBOI just before construction started.)

I was told it really did not affect KBOI's local market, but produced some good money for KBOI.

I was one of the KBOI engineers working with Lindy Williams and his consultant Richard Haskey. It was a turnkey project.

Lotus has always had good engineering management.

And if you have not seen Lindy's art, look at lindy.williams.art

He has some fantastic pictures taken with his telescopes on his ham radio K6EB site, too.

 

[SomeRadioGuy]

AM 760 is one of a few San diego stations I've heard from 2700 miles away

However, 760 is rare.. only heard it twice. Here's one, its the best of the two times: https://drive.google.com/file/d/137uWtLCKXmvXRaECJ28SuXBrws7GI8JA/view?usp=share_link

I've heard XEKAM 950 several times and pretty decently, XEPE 1700

and before the tower fell, XEPRS was in nightly. averaging from fair to blowing the doors off like a local.