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AM Audio Processors

jry. Thanks for the suggestion. That's two votes for the Omnia. I have a personal friend that happens to be a broadcast engineer for a mid sized AM in a large market and this was his recommendation. But I do want to get as many opinions as possible before making a decision.
 
William C. Walker said:
3) Let's hope we don't see ANY kind of legislation demanding that private broadcasters must air programs they deem as either unprofitable or not in the best interest of serving the market.
That was never a part of the original 1949-1987 Fairness Doctrine anyway, so I doubt you will have anything to worry about even in the snowball's chance in Hell that it makes a comeback.

And as for the music licensing, I think the more that a Part 15 station is seen as a profit-making business, the more scrutiny it will be under from ASCAP, BMI, and the RIAA. However, you could argue that the big-power FM pirate stations in the major cities, which attract fairly large audiences and broadcast paid commercials for local businesses, should be much more of a concern for them!
 
jry said:
I agree with cutting the high end. My suggested number is 7.5. It works well with car radios and if someone has a higher end AM tuner, they won't be too disappointed.

Like they said, pack your audio energy in the envelope that radios can "hear". You'll think that you have expanded your coverage area.
Most Part 15-spec antennas are not broadband antennas anyway. You can crank your bandwidth and pre-emphasis to the max, and you still won't sound as bright and crisp on the air as the commercial 10 kHz NRSC stations; you'll just be making a lot of splatter across the band.
 
satech said:
jry said:
I agree with cutting the high end. My suggested number is 7.5. It works well with car radios and if someone has a higher end AM tuner, they won't be too disappointed.

Like they said, pack your audio energy in the envelope that radios can "hear". You'll think that you have expanded your coverage area.
Most Part 15-spec antennas are not broadband antennas anyway. You can crank your bandwidth and pre-emphasis to the max, and you still won't sound as bright and crisp on the air as the commercial 10 kHz NRSC stations; you'll just be making a lot of splatter across the band.
AND you will be wasting energy that could have been useful radiation if you'd kept the bandpass lower.
I admit to being an audio snob, ( I hate the implications) without recommending others try to do 20-20,000 on AM.
I'm primarily trying to impress myself with the results, not really looking to achieve the largest coverage possible.
I listen on the highest fidelity receivers I can use, and I do notice immediately if I limit bandpass below 15 khz.
My memory of WLS and WCFL running up to 13 khz "in the good old days" is not mistaken, I have airchecks, and can brickwall the audio in Breakaway very nicely to replicate the sound. Modern NRSC mask stations are OK but dull.
I still drive a 1965 Dodge daily with a very good AM/FM Motorola that does not lie.
I realize most listeners do not have radios with wideband AM capability.
 
satech said:
jry said:
I agree with cutting the high end. My suggested number is 7.5. It works well with car radios and if someone has a higher end AM tuner, they won't be too disappointed.

Like they said, pack your audio energy in the envelope that radios can "hear". You'll think that you have expanded your coverage area.
Most Part 15-spec antennas are not broadband antennas anyway. You can crank your bandwidth and pre-emphasis to the max, and you still won't sound as bright and crisp on the air as the commercial 10 kHz NRSC stations; you'll just be making a lot of splatter across the band.

True. Currently I own a Inovonics 222 and when I was last on the air, I ran a DBX 160a compressor/limiter into it off the board. The Rangemaster uses a CB whip and I noted that there was a tremendous amount of splatter when I set the high end to 9 khz. Fortunately I was using 1700 at the time and there were no other stations even close to that frequency that would be harmed. This time around I'll keep it to 8 khz and under.
 
William C. Walker said:
satech said:
jry said:
I agree with cutting the high end. My suggested number is 7.5. It works well with car radios and if someone has a higher end AM tuner, they won't be too disappointed.

Like they said, pack your audio energy in the envelope that radios can "hear". You'll think that you have expanded your coverage area.
Most Part 15-spec antennas are not broadband antennas anyway. You can crank your bandwidth and pre-emphasis to the max, and you still won't sound as bright and crisp on the air as the commercial 10 kHz NRSC stations; you'll just be making a lot of splatter across the band.

True. Currently I own a Inovonics 222 and when I was last on the air, I ran a DBX 160a compressor/limiter into it off the board. The Rangemaster uses a CB whip and I noted that there was a tremendous amount of splatter when I set the high end to 9 khz. Fortunately I was using 1700 at the time and there were no other stations even close to that frequency that would be harmed. This time around I'll keep it to 8 khz and under.
What kind of range are you getting with your Rangemaster? Some people claim large numbers like 10 miles during the day, while others seem lucky to get 1 mile. Before you answer that, I think I'll create a post on that topic & try to get a consensus...
 
William C. Walker said:
I have done some research and determined the following three units in the sub 3 grand category to be my best options. If there is another unit out there that is equal to or exceeds these in performance and lists at 3 grand or less then by all means chime in.

Omnia One AM

Vorsis VP-8

DSPXmini AM


I should probably point out that the list pfice of each of these is $3000 except the mini-am which is $1800 and sounds just as good as the other boxes mentioned. It's even more advanced bigger brother the DSPX-AM is still only $2795.


I noted your concerns about warranty. from 2010 BW Broadcast is extending our standard warranty even further. Don't orget you can try one risk free first. All of the processor manufacturers listed above should do that for you and if your spending 3 grand of your hard earned then you're entitled to feel and hear that you've made the right decisions. Don't believe the hype, get each box in to test at the same time and try and set up blind listening tests (having other judge them by switching them without knowing what unit they are listening to).


Have a great 2010 guys.
 
dspxscott. Good suggestions. My engineering friend recommended your unit ahead of the Vorsis and suggested it if I don't buy the Omnia. Given that it costs several hundred dollars less I will definitely give it a look.

Can the DSPXMini AM be adapted to stereo operation for something like the old CQUAM stereo system?
 
William C. Walker said:
dspxscott. Good suggestions. My engineering friend recommended your unit ahead of the Vorsis and suggested it if I don't buy the Omnia. Given that it costs several hundred dollars less I will definitely give it a look.

Can the DSPXMini AM be adapted to stereo operation for something like the old CQUAM stereo system?

Hi William

Our AM processors have left and right inputs and outputs so will process stereo sources.

Best of luck with your testing.

Regards
Scott
 
DXPXScott. I'll be in touch with you later in the year about demoing a unit. I still have to secure a site and get a few other things out of the way before I can purchase a processor. Thanks for your help!
 
dspxscott said:
Our AM processors have left and right inputs and outputs so will process stereo sources.
Is C-QUAM matrix processing offered? Using discrete left/right audio processing for AM Stereo will cause a loss of loudness for mono listeners during program material with heavy stereo separation, such as Oldies and Classic Country music.
 
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