AM, FM, HD, XM, Sirius ALL IN ONE TUNER

[Mike Walker]

A new offering from Onkyo http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/home-ent...s-first-multi+platform-radio-tuner-254920.php

Clearly HD's "failure" is gaining momentum!

 

[PocketRadio]

A new offering from Onkyo http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/home-ent...s-first-multi+platform-radio-tuner-254920.php

Clearly HD's "failure" is gaining momentum!

"Satellite radio rivals set merger"

"Satellite radio rivals XM and Sirius yesterday agreed to a $13 billion dollar merger that's likely to face tough opposition from antitrust regulators and could be disruptive to millions of subscribers who may have to buy new radios and accept fewer listening options."

http://www.boston.com/business/technology/articles/2007/02/20/satellite_radio_rivals_set_merger/

If/when the Satellite Radio merger goes through, this radio will be worthless - besides, Best Buy routinely puts portable Satellite Radio on sale, as buy-one-get-one-free. Consumers want portability, not desk-top HD radios that require AM-loop and external FM-dipole antennas - this radio will not sell, as with the reset of the HD radios.

 

[Mike Walker]

"Worthless"? Both XM and Sirius say they'll support both systems for many years. Perhaps two decades. And if and when they merge, they'll certainly use BOTH bits of the radio spectrum. They sure as hell can't transmit anywhere else...they'd be licensed BOTH the spectrum assigned to Sirius, AND that assigned to XM. Far from "useless", this tuner would be obsolesence proof. Whichever system ends up being "the one", this tuner will receive it FOR THE LIFE OF THE TUNER! One system may at some point become obsolete, but there is ZERO chance that they both will. Try thinking before posting, Dude! This may well be the most obsolesence-proof radio product on the market. If HD flies, "it's in there". If it fails, it's a very fine analog tuner. If XM and Sirius don't merge, you can get both. If they DO merge, you can get either. Both you and I will no doubt expire, Pocket, before the usefulness of this tuner!

 

[radiopilot]

"Worthless"? Both XM and Sirius say they'll support both systems for many years. Perhaps two decades. And if and when they merge, they'll certainly use BOTH bits of the radio spectrum. They sure as hell can't transmit anywhere else...they'd be licensed BOTH the spectrum assigned to Sirius, AND that assigned to XM. Far from "useless", this tuner would be obsolesence proof. Whichever system ends up being "the one", this tuner will receive it FOR THE LIFE OF THE TUNER! One system may at some point become obsolete, but there is ZERO chance that they both will. Try thinking before posting, Dude! This may well be the most obsolesence-proof radio product on the market. If HD flies, "it's in there". If it fails, it's a very fine analog tuner. If XM and Sirius don't merge, you can get both. If they DO merge, you can get either. Both you and I will no doubt expire, Pocket, before the usefulness of this tuner!

I'd seen this unit somewhere recently and though it looks nice and I will wait for the next lines of products similar before I dive in...

But assume someone has the satelite subscription for XM or Siruis and can use that same subscription for the Onkyo tuner in the home... WHY would you want to listen to the HD portion of the radio FM/AM with quite limited choices compared to the satelite choices of 150 channels for Siruis for example? Sure there is always the rant about local content.. sure I'll tune to terrestrial radio for traffic and news for a few minutes before 20 commercials come slamming through, then switch back to satelite... wouldn't that be the likely scenario for these listeners with these recievers?

I don't know about most people but commercial free programming is where it's at these days.

Radiopilot

 

[Mike Walker]

Why would you want to listen to XM channel number 7 (70s on 7), when you could listen to channel 6 (60s on 6)? More choices, that don't cost anything extra. And again, ALL HD2 and HD3 streams are not only free, AND USUALLY AT A HIGHER BITRATE THAN SATELLITE RADIO SO THEY SOUND BETTER, but they are ALL commercial free! Every freakin' one of them. Stations CAN'T run commercials on HD2 and HD3!

Oh, and in case you hadn't noticed, satellite radio ISN'T commercial free. There are commercials on ALL talk/sports/entertainment channels, and even some music channels. Neither is lots of internet radio. Stations must MONETIZE in order to exist. Commercials aren't evil. They are quite literally the oil that lubricates free enterprise!

 

[PocketRadio]

And again, ALL HD2 and HD3 streams are not only free, AND USUALLY AT A HIGHER BITRATE THAN SATELLITE RADIO SO THEY SOUND BETTER, but they are ALL commercial free! Every freakin' one of them. Stations CAN'T run commercials on HD2 and HD3!

There is an agreement among broadcasters not to run commercials for 18 months, but that agreement was about 6 months ago - there will never be many HD radios in the hands of consumers, so the HD channels will never be profitable. Subscription-enabled HD radios are due out this Fall, but consumers will never pay subscriptions for the censored HD channels. Both, Satellite and HD Radio are headed into the toilet:

"Sirius, XM, and HD: Consumer interest reality check"

"While interest in satellite radio is diminishing, interest in HD shows no signs of a pulse."

http://www.hear2.com/2007/02/sirius_xm_and_h.html

 

[Mike Walker]

Only one feature missing...internet radio. Then this truly could be the "radio that ate Cleveland"...Rock 'n Roll Hall of Fame and all. THIS IS EXACTLY the solution for future digital radio...incorporate ALL formats, and let the user choose. This is the future!

 

[Chuck]

Only one feature missing...internet radio. Then this truly could be the "radio that ate Cleveland"...Rock 'n Roll Hall of Fame and all. THIS IS EXACTLY the solution for future digital radio...incorporate ALL formats, and let the user choose. This is the future!

I think that is the ticket. Multi-format Software Defined Radios. It really can't be that difficult to do, since the actual digital audio formats are similar (AAC+, mp3, etc.) My little Roku "Internet Radio" does a nice job. It's quite small, so parts wise, I doubt there is much in it. It would certainly fit in some of the spare space inside my Sangean HDT-1. There is a lot of technology to all this, but once you burn that to a chip, the cloning cost should get quite reasonable.

 

[oaktree]

I agree. I posted to the Onkyo site, "What...no Internet Radio?" The Roku, incidentally, as Chuck can attest, is now AM, FM, Internet, personal Network & the greatest Weather radio in the world, as well. Now, if we could only put it in a shirt pocket...

Oh...and it "can" (and does) get both XM & Sirrius with the same membership you need for their radios. I have several channels programmed into my Roku, as well...no extra cost.

 

[clouseau]

There is an agreement among broadcasters not to run commercials for 18 months, but that agreement was about 6 months ago -

Mr "My opinion is a fact" speaks...

there will never be many HD radios in the hands of consumers

Few are less qualified to speak to this than you.

so the HD channels will never be profitable

Based on your already flawed opinion...

Subscription-enabled HD radios are due out this Fall, but consumers will never pay subscriptions for the censored HD channels.

again the "high exaulted poohbah of nothing" spouts his "Hope" as a fact.

Both, Satellite and HD Radio are headed into the toilet:

It's at least nice to see that you have no clue "UNIVERSALLY".

"Sirius, XM, and HD: Consumer interest reality check"

<quote from someone who thinks they should take subject matter advise from YOU snipped>

The world is fortunate. IMHO, only the truly unimformed think your opinions make any sense.

Here's a thought. As the tide rises, only those on board will stay above water....

Never mind... The market only determines the "SPEED". Not the eventuality. Have an HD day.

Clouseau

 

[Mike Walker]

XM and Sirius are both within striking distance of profitability. Had they not spent so extravagently on talent, they'd be there already. Of perhaps only one will. My guess is that, long-term, ONE satellite service will be very successful (like DirecTV), and the other an also-ran (like Dish Network). One may even cease to exist, if there's no merger. Big freakin' deal! It's not as if there's not something else out there to listen to!

Here's the pie...juicy, delicious, apple pie. Everybody take your piece! Sorry some of them are so small!

 

[PocketRadio]

XM and Sirius are both within striking distance of profitability.

That's great news ! Now, HD Radio will forever be in Satellite Radio's shadow, now that HD Radio is going to start charging subscriptions - that deserves a big !

 

[R.F. Burns]

XM and Sirius are both within striking distance of profitability.

That's great news ! Now, HD Radio will forever be in Satellite Radio's shadow, now that HD Radio is going to start charging subscriptions - that deserves a big !

Talk about wishful thinking. If that statement were true it would be another strike against the merger. These two companies are heavily in debt. Striking distance? Only if we're using Star Treck thinking. Look I can see a planet 200 light years ahead. Guess we're in "striking distance".

 

[radiopilot]

XM and Sirius are both within striking distance of profitability.

That's great news ! Now, HD Radio will forever be in Satellite Radio's shadow, now that HD Radio is going to start charging subscriptions - that deserves a big !

Talk about wishful thinking. If that statement were true it would be another strike against the merger. These two companies are heavily in debt. Striking distance? Only if we're using Star Treck thinking. Look I can see a planet 200 light years ahead. Guess we're in "striking distance".

Why do you keep talking about satelite's demise and it's lack of subscrriptions WHEN you should be more concerned that HD is not selling to the public?

You should be out in the streets glorifying HD and shouting out to the world how great HD is... instead you think the public is over here reading these boards and getting their fill of how good HD radio is...

Go figure!

Radiopilot

 

[Mike Walker]

The satellite radio market isn't shrinking. It isn't going away. It IS leveling off, as the number of people who are willing to pay for radio is reached. But at 10 percent of the population (about 30 million), satellite radio's penetration is about the same as satellite tv, after more than THIRTY YEARS!

And it started pretty slow. When I first became a subscriber, satellite radio's numbers were in the tens of thousands, now it's in the tens of MILLIONS...just five short years later. Anyone who subscribed then knows that satellite took off SLOWLY!

 

[scanman1]

Now, this receiver is for me! It receives all the radio services I currently listen to (XM, Sirius, and, of course, HD Radio). And I can afford it too! 8)

 

[Mike Walker]

I had my figures wrong for satellite radio. The total penetration is around 15 million, NOT 30 million...about 5 percent of the population with a radio. I've read that, even though lots of new cars come with free trial subscriptions, about 60 percent don't renew their subscription when the trial is over. I DID. I'm a longtime XM subscriber. It doesn't replace terrestrial radio, it augments it. I'm in a deep fringe area for most stations. XM gives me missing options.

 

[PocketRadio]

The satellite radio market isn't shrinking. It isn't going away. It IS leveling off, as the number of people who are willing to pay for radio is reached.

Do you see a parallel between Satellite Radio and HD Radio subscriptions and consumer unwillingness to purchase new HD radios - HD Radio is no longer for the masses (aka. Struble). According to Bridge Ratings, interest in HD Radio is shrinking (the radio-geeks are finished buying HD radios). You just solved the great HD Radio mystery !

 

[clouseau]

... HD Radio is no longer for the masses

Yeah, you're probaby right... The 5 week glory ride is over. Just like Lp's. What's surprising to me is that the whole business cycle happened in five weeks. It truly is no "LONGER" for the masses. The "Giant success period" is over.

Do you have any idea how ridiculous the material is that you post???

Clouseau

 

[4dude]

Dat does l00k good.........

I wonder how the AM ANALOG reception is....