Of the 12 Locals in Michigan in 1935, 5 migrated to Regional (3) and Clear (2) Channels. 7 remain as Class Cs on Local Channels. Of the 5 that migrated, 2 are now 50 kW daytime, 2 are 5 kW daytime, and 1 is 1 kW.
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AM Frequency of the week: 1340
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1340 here is local WQSC, talk radio "The Voice." It was formerly WOKE. WQSC has a decent signal for a GY. Covers the entire Charleston area daytime, out to Moncks Corner, but at night, more than 10 miles from the transmitter you have the normal GY noise.
About a decade ago or so, their signal was knocked off by lightning for about 10 days, and WROD Daytona Beach blasted in with their standards.
About a decade ago or so, their signal was knocked off by lightning for about 10 days, and WROD Daytona Beach blasted in with their standards.
could you break it down?
i know 1500 WLQV used to be a daytimer, which is the other 50K day?
what are the 5k?
and the 1K is where?
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There are AT LEAST two 1Kw stations in the Detroit area. One is WMKM 1440 (the old WCHB-AM) licensed to Inkster, MI, with a mostly gospel format. Another is WDTK-AM "The Patriot" licensed to Detroit, 1400 AM (the former WQBH, which was originally WJLB-AM). Birach also owns a few small signal AMs in the Detroit area, including WPON 1460 (currently dark) originally licensed to Walled Lake/Pontiac, WCAR (which is only .5 kW .25 kW day) at 1090, "Yahoo Sports" licensed to Livonia-Detroit and WSDS (Serving Detroit Suburbs) out of the Ypsilanti area, which is currently all Hispanic, at 1480 kHz. WDTK 1400, the conservative talker known as "The Patriot" probably has the best coverage with only 1 kW as a Non-DA signal, with transmitter almost in the center of the city right off the Lodge Freeway. As far as other stations, some quick general info... Both of CBS' AMs are 50kW WXYT-AM, and WWJ-AM. WDFN-AM is 50kW at 1130 khz is "The Fan" licensed to iHeartMedia, was the original WCAR that USED TO operate in the city with a non-DA pattern, (50kW day, 5kW night)...is now full time, full power as far as I know, with a directional array in the downriver area. Hope this is of some help.... Bob B
A STARTING POINT for station info is the abandoned -- but still functional -- website www.michiguide.com which has links to the FCC database for coverage maps, etc. Another terrific resource is former Radio Guide editor, Barry Mishkind's excellent oldradio.com/
Platecap, glad to make your acquaintance, Westland here (joy/Newburgh)
I was referring to the previous post about a "local"(former graveyard station, which 1500 (used to be in graveyard 1490) certain qualifies
1400 is, and always has been a "local/class IV" facility and in Detroit; great find,
but he stated that 1 station migrated out of the graveyard and is 1K
I am wondering what the "used to be a local, and are now 50K (1) (WDFN??) or 5K (2) (1310 as one of them?) stations are.
This was a statewide thing, so must also thing of GR/Lansing...etc..etc
I was referring to the previous post about a "local"(former graveyard station, which 1500 (used to be in graveyard 1490) certain qualifies
1400 is, and always has been a "local/class IV" facility and in Detroit; great find,
but he stated that 1 station migrated out of the graveyard and is 1K
I am wondering what the "used to be a local, and are now 50K (1) (WDFN??) or 5K (2) (1310 as one of them?) stations are.
This was a statewide thing, so must also thing of GR/Lansing...etc..etc
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Here's another link that might offer some help: http://www.michiguide.com/history/am.html
1130 never was a local, I don't think. 1310 is currently off air, apparently after being acquired by an out of town minority owner, after the original owners dismantled the directional array. The new owner was heard doing some testing about a year ago, I do not expect them to return to anything higher than 5kW, which is what they always were. 1500 was always high powered, although they may have been at reduced power or gone dark for a period. They did take down part of the array in order to sell the land some time ago. WWJ-AM was regional (5kW) for decades. I'm not sure what his definition of "local" means. To me, it generally implies 1kW or less. Also, there was the station in Flint -- WFDF I think -- that became Radio Disney Detroit after a station in Fremont Ohio (WFRO I think) was talent off the air to allow the 50kW upgrade.
As for me, some of these small AM's were clients or employers at one time or another, so I have some hands-on experience. Sad to say, of those that still exist, the majority are in a sad state of disrepair for obvious reasons. The FCC is trying to help, but that's a topic for another thread!
1130 never was a local, I don't think. 1310 is currently off air, apparently after being acquired by an out of town minority owner, after the original owners dismantled the directional array. The new owner was heard doing some testing about a year ago, I do not expect them to return to anything higher than 5kW, which is what they always were. 1500 was always high powered, although they may have been at reduced power or gone dark for a period. They did take down part of the array in order to sell the land some time ago. WWJ-AM was regional (5kW) for decades. I'm not sure what his definition of "local" means. To me, it generally implies 1kW or less. Also, there was the station in Flint -- WFDF I think -- that became Radio Disney Detroit after a station in Fremont Ohio (WFRO I think) was talent off the air to allow the 50kW upgrade.
As for me, some of these small AM's were clients or employers at one time or another, so I have some hands-on experience. Sad to say, of those that still exist, the majority are in a sad state of disrepair for obvious reasons. The FCC is trying to help, but that's a topic for another thread!
Can I insert a plug for www.americanradiohistory.com which has lots of old Broadcasting Yearbooks, logbooks and periodicals?
I think WJBK was a Class IV on 1490. I could look it up, but I am having a "lazy" day....
WJMS 1420 (1450)-590 5 kW Day/1 kW Night
WDMJ 1310 (1340)-1320 5 kW Day/135 W Night
WKBZ 1500 (1490)-850 1 kW Day and Night
WFDF 1310 (1340)-910 50 kW Day/25 kW Night
WLQV 1500 (1490)-1500 50 kW Day/10 kW Night
There are others that have migrated from Locals, but they weren't on the air in 1935. 1935 was picked because that is the first Broadcasting Yearbook in David's website.
WDMJ 1320 was formerly 1 kW Night.
The frequency in parenthesis is the NARBA frequency. Not all stations operated on the NARBA frequency.
WDMJ 1310 (1340)-1320 5 kW Day/135 W Night
WKBZ 1500 (1490)-850 1 kW Day and Night
WFDF 1310 (1340)-910 50 kW Day/25 kW Night
WLQV 1500 (1490)-1500 50 kW Day/10 kW Night
There are others that have migrated from Locals, but they weren't on the air in 1935. 1935 was picked because that is the first Broadcasting Yearbook in David's website.
WDMJ 1320 was formerly 1 kW Night.
The frequency in parenthesis is the NARBA frequency. Not all stations operated on the NARBA frequency.
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I may be new to this board, but I do know a thing or 2 about how it all works
I have probably read every stations history on michiguide about 3 times
WJBK was on 1490, and a bunch of stuff happened to get them on 1500, I also am a lurker and read almost every post on mibuzzboard as well
So I am very familiar with what's happened to 1310,
Going back to the post in question, a "local " is a station that is on one of the local channels
1230/1240/1340/1450/1490
So I wonder that others got moved out of that frequency and upped their power
I have probably read every stations history on michiguide about 3 times
WJBK was on 1490, and a bunch of stuff happened to get them on 1500, I also am a lurker and read almost every post on mibuzzboard as well
So I am very familiar with what's happened to 1310,
Going back to the post in question, a "local " is a station that is on one of the local channels
1230/1240/1340/1450/1490
So I wonder that others got moved out of that frequency and upped their power
I believe that the local channel designation was established in the early 30's when the FRC became the FCC. Of course, the frequencies all moved with NARBA. There were essentially 3 classes way back then: Local, regional and clear channel.
I want to say that there were no daytimers when the FCC was created, but I have to look that one up..... which I did a moment later and found in the 1930 Radex logs quite a few stations listed as "D" for "Daytime only" as well as a few listed as "S" for "Sunday only" plus a bunch of sharetime stations. Since Radex did not have operation hour codes prior to 1930, I could not see if daytimers dated back to the creation of the FRC.
Note: I looked back some more, and the local channels, with 100 watts date to the late 20's so they were not an FCC creation. They were 1210, 1310, 1370, 1420, 1500.
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Right after they moved 60+ miles South in 2005-2006, WFDF was 19 kW Night. WSUI was historically on 880 kHz, several years before WFDF got a CP to move to 880 kHz, and WSUI has a lower NIF, and that original WFDF CP in the 1930s was modified by NARBA to 910 kHz. WSUI squawked about their application for 28 kW Night, because it "clipped" their NIF contours in some directions. But WFDF was given a CP for 25 kW with a slightly modified pattern, fully protecting the contours. WFDF was then licensed with 25 kW Night several years ago. WSUI had to reduce power from 5 kW to 4 kW Night when they moved further South a few years before that, and they were further away from Iowa City.
WYLL on 1160 kHz, a Clear Channel, had to move a Thunder Bay, ON allotment, and upgrade WHBY Kimberly, WI to 20 kW Day/25 kW Night in order to get 50 kW Night and send it North. But there have only been 4 stations on Regional Channels, former Class IIIs, which have gotten to 50 kW Night-KMJ, KJR, WWJ, and WXYT. KEIB and KKOL are in the 40-49 kW Night range. Along with WFDF and WHBY, they round out the stations which have benefitted most from newer rules allowing up to 50 kW on Regional Channels, at least at night.
WYLL on 1160 kHz, a Clear Channel, had to move a Thunder Bay, ON allotment, and upgrade WHBY Kimberly, WI to 20 kW Day/25 kW Night in order to get 50 kW Night and send it North. But there have only been 4 stations on Regional Channels, former Class IIIs, which have gotten to 50 kW Night-KMJ, KJR, WWJ, and WXYT. KEIB and KKOL are in the 40-49 kW Night range. Along with WFDF and WHBY, they round out the stations which have benefitted most from newer rules allowing up to 50 kW on Regional Channels, at least at night.
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