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It's my understanding AM IBOC needs an antenna bandwidth of +/- 20 KHz. Some stations have the luxury of an antenna system able to pass the full bandwidth. But many owners have to figure out how to meet the challenge of digital, if they choose. So considering many AM facilities use a skirt antenna, short towers or a directional array that hasn't been maintained in years makes IBOC a moot point unless you create room in the budget for a massive capital expense.

Discuss.
 
I am not expert (ask David), but that is exactly what I have heard, and a point I have been trying to make, along with the hundreds of thousands of dollars, in yearly fees, to sole-source iBiquity.
 
SayNoToIBOC said:
I am not expert (ask David), but that is exactly what I have heard, and a point I have been trying to make, along with the hundreds of thousands of dollars, in yearly fees, to sole-source iBiquity.
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You are woring on the fees. They are rality based (meaning they have to do with station size, market size, and development of HD).

And yes, the bandwidth is great. It occupies more spectrum than normal NRSC AM, but about what pre-NRSC AM did.

The industry as a whole sees no loss heere, as the staitons on the channels adjacent to a local station are not being listened to in the local market, so there is no loss.

In the cases of short-spaced stations, or ones with critical protections, there may have to be some type of negotiated settlement, mediated by FCC administrative procedure.
 
Wrong on the fees - not from all the articles that I have read. But, again this is moot - no HD/IBOC radios = no consumer interest ! What, do you just ignore my posts - remember, the link to the graph, I posted ? Wireless Internet, Wi-Fi, and cell phones have already made HD/IBOC archaic !
 
David,
My conversations with Ibiquity were that the IBOC fee was the same for everyone (at the time it was $7500 one time fee, soon to be $10k one time fee per station and to be increased annually in an effort to force stations to sign on sooner). There was an additional annual recurring fee for each HD2, HD3, etc.

Is this incorrect, was the sales guy "blowin' smoke ..., or does Univision / CC / Citadel, etc get discounts for quantity?
 
"remember, he is a Univision executive, with an agenda (he admitted that he is statrting work on HD-3)"

Good to know at least someone in here is impartial SayNo. ::)
 
Your counters are getting really weak - do you know, what having an "agenda" means ?
 
Yes, Reading your post is a fairly good description of the word.
 
autopaint-1 wrote: "Yes, Reading your post is a fairly good description of the word."

Again, you have no counter to the article, so all you do is post something antagonistic !
 
My counter is that from my personal experience I disagree.
 
Mt counters are from professionally written articles, and everyones' lousy experience with HD/IBOC, on rec.radio.shortwave...
 
Who cares, My comments are from 30 years as a network level broadcsat engineer and MY PERSONAL experience. What do I care what other say. If I wanted to take the time I could find articals written by many more people, with better credentials, who feel otherwise. This is a case of should I believe my eyes or what others say and you bring no personal experience to the tale. This is like your posting links to those who claim man never walked on the moon. But, what's the difference. You won't be convinced. Should I look forward to the day I see your radio for sale on e-bay? Just asking. ::)
 
Dr. Conrad and Mark Ramsey are much more qualified than you. So, as a "network level broadcsat (sic) engineer", it looks like you have much more of an agenda, than do I - looks like your job, along with David's, is obvioulsy dependent upon the health of the broadcast industry (with my software development skills and high-level Intelligence Community security clearance, I will never have to worry about having a job). Again, I do not profess to being an expert, I am only here to post factual information (i.e., links), to educate the listener base, about this fraudulent technology...
 
SayNoToIBOC said:
autopaint-1 wrote: "Yes, Reading your post is a fairly good description of the word."

Again, you have no counter to the article, so all you do is post something antagonistic !
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Lets see.. ANYONE that disagrees with you is antagonistic. Huh..... And anyone that disagrees with you has an agenda.

Time to look in the mirror.
 
SayNoToIBOC said:
slim101,

This article, from RWOnline addresses many issues with HD/IBOC - as you can see, the fees range from $150,000 to $400,000, or more. Now, David wil probably try and attack this article, but remember, he is a Univision executive, with an agenda (he admitted that he is statrting work on HD-3)

http://rwonline.com/reference-room/iboc/03_rwrf_feb_16_part_2.shtml
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WOW talk about a guy with an agenda! This guy is one of the only people to be running CAMD (receviers for CAMD anyone? ANYONE???). And no the fees do NOT run $150,000 to $400,000 or more. I should know I purchased IBOC for 6 radio stations. BTW I did talk to Mr Kahn. I wanted to understand his system. Basically it is all smoke and mirrors. No one can receive the CAM D signal, yet it is supposed to be great???? I actualy sought out Mr Kahn, as I had concerns about IBOC at the time.... that was until I learned more about how IBOC works. I suggest you do the same!

You are just starting to make things up at this point.
 
Funny, you didn't address any other issues, in the article :) So, I am supposed to take YOUR word about the fees, over a professionally written article ? Did I state, that anyone who disagrees with me, has an agenda - have I accused YOU of having an agenda ? Obvioulsy, David and autopaint-1, whose employment status depends on the health of the radio broadcast industry, is going to have a pro-HD/IBOC agenda.
 
SayNoToIBOC said:
Funny, you didn't address any other issues, in the article :) So, I am supposed to take YOUR word about the fees, over a professionally written article ? Did I state, that anyone who disagrees with me, has an agenda - have I accused YOU of having an agenda ? Obvioulsy, David and autopaint-1, whose employment status depends on the health of the radio broadcast industry, is going to have a pro-HD/IBOC agenda.
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Knowing what the fees are, I have to believe that the monies mentioned consist of the costs of buiding out an HD faciility. In an Am, it may take significant redesign of the antenna system, STLs and transmission and audio processing facilities.
 
Sorry, wrong - the article states, that the $150,000 - $400,000+ are for yearly transmitter fees. Yea, like most stations are going to pay that - what a joke ! This whole technology/alliance is just to line iBiquity's pockets with gold ! Funny, your rebuttals are getting shorter and shorter, for every article that I post. I think anyone reading that article, could figure out the fees - let's no play stupid !
 
SayNoToIBOC said:
Sorry, wrong - the article states, that the $150,000 - $400,000+ are for yearly transmitter fees. Yea, like most stations are going to pay that - what a joke ! This whole technology/alliance is just to line iBiquity's pockets with gold ! Funny, your rebuttals are getting shorter and shorter, for every article that I post. I think anyone reading that article, could figure out the fees - let's no play stupid !
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Wow ! Look at you !

For someone who is fighting against a technology that in your opinion is in it's death throws, you sure are making a lot of noise. Either you're completely wrong, or completely insecure about your position.

Your post count tells the story. Instead of posting a bunch of links, I'll watch you self destruct as HD Radio keeps moving.

Anyway, if you're right...why are you arguing?

That's what I thought.

I'll just keep reading and smile!
 
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