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AM Radio in Miami SUCKS

How come most big markets have at least one big AM station that does news, talk, etc and gets good ratings -- yet Miami does not?
Atlanta has WSB. Chicago has WBBM and WGN. NY has WINS, WCBS & WABC. Philly has KYW. Boston has WBZ.

Even some smaller markets have decent AM stations
Jacksonville has WOKV. Even Grand Rapids has WOOD.

But Miami, ranked #12 has nothing. WIOD, the sports stations, NONE seem to get any ratings. What's up with that?
 
AM in Miami went cold around 1978. With I-95, 96X, Y100, WSHE, Super Q, Zeta 4, Love 94, WAXY......Shall I continue.

In Key West. We listened to AM when FM reception on our cable system was bad.

WGBS, Radio Hit, Wqam (last part of of top 40 era) is what we listened to on AM.

and our local WKIZ, which actually sounded good.
 
AMRocks said:
But Miami, ranked #12 has nothing. WIOD, the sports stations, NONE seem to get any ratings. What's up with that?

Miami / Ft. Lauderdale is 50% Hispanic.

WIOD and WAQI, the two highest rated AM stations, together have a bit over a 5 share.

But, in general, Miami is like many US markets where only one... and sometimes none of them... covers the market well. Because of that, formats migrated to AM early, and the AM band ceased to be used by anyone who grew up from the early 70's on.

WMYQ and then Y-100 moved the first generation of teens to FM. WEDR did the same for African American youth. Super Q did it for Hispanics. Older generation folks followed Life and WYOR and other Beautiful Music stations, and various AOR and rock options abounded... converting all generations to FM users.

The flat terrain helped FM. The mediocre conductivity and sumer tropical static hurt AM. By about 1976, half the listening was on FM. AM could not compete with the better signals (only WIOD truly covered the whole market when Dade and Broward became a single radio market in 1981), and so resources were not devoted to AM... the last gasp at good ratings was more about one personality than the band itself.

Heck, even 790 is taking sports to FM. Dumb they ain't.
 
AMRocks said:
How come most big markets have at least one big AM station that does news, talk, etc and gets good ratings -- yet Miami does not?
Atlanta has WSB. Chicago has WBBM and WGN. NY has WINS, WCBS & WABC. Philly has KYW. Boston has WBZ.

Even some smaller markets have decent AM stations
Jacksonville has WOKV. Even Grand Rapids has WOOD.

But Miami, ranked #12 has nothing. WIOD, the sports stations, NONE seem to get any ratings. What's up with that?

Most every major market you're referring to, have "heritage", huge signal, full-time 50kw signals. Even though the FCC has allowed more full time stations to operate on the former "clear channel" frequencies, stations like, WCBS, WABC, WBBM, WGN, WBZ, etc, still have excellent protection and signal penetration in their metros. Almost every AM station in Florida, even the 50kw's, have to reduce power at night, or go directional, or both. Florida's location, and the fact that our population explosion happened later in the 20th century, has been a disadvantage for AM, plus the abundance of natural and man-made interference has always been problematic for AM operators here! As David pointed out, with our flat terrain, FM works much better in Florida, and the big sticks cover their respective metro areas with robust, reliable signals day and night. :)
 
To say that "AM radio went cold in Miami in 1978" is to totally dismiss what at least some of us consider to be a golden age of talk radio between 1978 and 1996. Shares for talk radio in Miami in the 80s were exceptionally high... particularly when compared to the later days of the diary system and today. Three English-language stations and sometimes a fourth battled with all-local programming... even at 3 in the morning. It was not just about "one person" (Neil Rogers), at least not before consolidation. It was also Al Rantel, Tom Leykis, Stan Major, Lee Fowler, Randi Rhodes, Phil Hendrie and many others. I think many would like to downplay this golden age, because it teaches some lessons about what could work in Miami that doesn't fit in with the current cookie-cutter model of syndication.

As far as signal issues, yes 790 and 940 had and have issues and it would have been nice if the FCC had given Miami a Class A signal. But before the 90's Cuban interference was not a problem for 610, which could be heard almost to Palm Beach without significant interference at night. Basically, if you can get a site in the everglades and beam everything east, you can cover the populated areas, which are just a thin strip between the glades and the ocean. South Florida doesn't sprawl as much as other parts of Florida or the country.
 
smedge2006 said:
To say that "AM radio went cold in Miami in 1978" is to totally dismiss what at least some of us consider to be a golden age of talk radio between 1978 and 1996. Shares for talk radio in Miami in the 80s were exceptionally high... particularly when compared to the later days of the diary system and today. Three English-language stations and sometimes a fourth battled with all-local programming... even at 3 in the morning. It was not just about "one person" (Neil Rogers), at least not before consolidation. It was also Al Rantel, Tom Leykis, Stan Major, Lee Fowler, Randi Rhodes, Phil Hendrie and many others. I think many would like to downplay this golden age, because it teaches some lessons about what could work in Miami that doesn't fit in with the current cookie-cutter model of syndication.

You make a good point, although the ratings success is exaggerated in overall importance vis-à-vis the success of FM.

I looked at Spring 1985, and WINZ was 8th in 12+, with WIOD and WNWS being 10th and 11th. None made it into the sales-generating 25-54 demo above the 15th to 20th range.

By 1990, WINZ was 12th, WIOD was 14th and WNWS was 17th. There were all somewhere around 20th or below in 25-54.

What hurt AM talk in Miami most was the joining in 1981 of Dade and Broward counties as a single radio market. This was done by vote of the subscribers. I recall WIOD manager Bill Viands stating that consolidating the markets would be the end of the competitiveness of AM radio because the market would become larger than even WIOD's useful and interference free signal.

But what also hurt going into the late 80's and early 90's was the fact that all those 70's and early to mid 80's FM listeners were not becoming AM listeners as they moved into the demos more suitable for talk, so the band aged.

Finally, Miami / Ft. Lauderdale's center of population moved slowly north and to the west as well. While some Miami directionals got a good signal east of the turnpike in much of South Broward, the population redistribution placed more and more people outside the coverage areas of the AMs, particularly WNWS and WINZ.

As far as signal issues, yes 790 and 940 had and have issues and it would have been nice if the FCC had given Miami a Class A signal.

Miami, like late-growth cities such as Houston and Phoenix and Las Vegas, did not get any 1 A clear channels or even a 1 B. There was not really enough population to justify such a big station in the early 30's. And the earliest stations were either standard regional signals like WQAM and WIOD, 5 kw day and 1 kw night, or shoe-ins that came later... like WINZ and WQBA and WGBS/WAQI. Or they were upgrades, like a daytimer on 800 becoming a fulltimer on 790 with very directional signals.

At one time, in the late 60's, WFUN actually beat WQAM in the top 40 battle, with Dick Starr programming the directional down at, IIRC, 72 and Sunset, well enough to beat the bigger WQAM signal... but that was when the mall at Kendall market the southern end of Miami, and the turnpike was well to the west of most of the population

But before the 90's Cuban interference was not a problem for 610, which could be heard almost to Palm Beach without significant interference at night.

Cuban interference was indeed a problem for WIOD dating back to the 60's when Castro put large signals on the whole AM band below about 900 kHz. WIOD was granted an STA to increase to 10 kw early on, but not finally licensed until it finally became "legal" to operate above 5 kw on a regional channel towards the end of the 80's (again, IIRC). Still, there were interference issues on 610, just as there was jamming on 710, 1140, 1550 and others over the years.

Basically, if you can get a site in the everglades and beam everything east, you can cover the populated areas, which are just a thin strip between the glades and the ocean. South Florida doesn't sprawl as much as other parts of Florida or the country.

The problem is that most Miami stations doing that are along the Trail west of Krome, and while they shoot good signals over Metro Dade, they don't do so well at covering Broward. WAQI and WINZ are at the northern end of Dade, but they were designed to shoot SE over Miami, and do inadequate jobs to the Broward side and they are hemmed in were they to wish to move farther north.
 
DavidEduardo said:
WAQI and WINZ are at the northern end of Dade, but they were designed to shoot SE over Miami, and do inadequate jobs to the Broward side and they are hemmed in were they to wish to move farther north.
WGBS/WAQI should have pulled a WLIB/WOWO on WSBR a long time ago.
A dinky little third channel adjacency from Boca Raton restricting a 50KW Miami station is absurd.
WINZ owners had considered but nixed buying WMAZ/WMAC for a similar reason.
BTW...WAQI is in Miramar!
 
ai4i said:
BTW...WAQI is in Miramar

And Miramar is towards the northern edge of Dade County... my point being that it was not far enough north to catch most of Broward.

When commuted on the Turnpike every day for two years from near 137th and the Trail to Hollywood in the early 80's, there was nothing around that site except tropical growth. I went by a few weeks ago, and the place is totally urban. I'll bet they never imagined that the city would go so far out when they designed and built that thing.
 
No that was never predicted.
When will they relocate further west?
Nah, all their listeners are south of County Line Road.
At least a few stations benefitted from the FCC abandoning their Davie monitoring station.
 
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