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If that "migration" had happened, this whole thing now may be less painful. I think a lot of people are just sad to see their favorite station brands disappearing.

You mention Westinghouse. One of the problems with the development of FM was it required people to buy new radios. Westinghouse and RCA not only owned radio stations, but they made and sold radios. Adding FM to those radios required them to pay a royalty to Major Armstrong for his copyrighted technology. Armstrong had previously worked at RCA, and David Sarnoff fought Armstrong and FM for years. Nothing really changed until the Armstrong patent ran out in 1965. At that time, the electronics manufacturers started adding FM to their radios.
 
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"" giving AM a place on the FM dial. ""
You mean taking the former TV channel 6, 82-88 MHz? Most FM radios don't reach those frequences so the same problem exists, not getting listeners until those potential listeners buy new radios to hear those stations.
Which also would require convincing the electronics industry to manufacture those radios, and retailers to market them. Not happening.
 
Keep-in-mind, also, that the biggest problem for AM wasn't sound quality but coverage.

The two goliaths that fell this week -- WCBS and CHML -- had some of the best signals possible with amazing coverage, though. It's a combination of things that add up to make AM radio irrelevant in the Internet era. Coverage is one, yes. But let's face it, the sound quality is atrocious and there are too many radios now that don't even have the AM band anymore.

There are so many other ways to get better sounding audio entertainment today than there were when all those AM stations were built, they're simply not needed anymore. The people who listen now are people who grew up with AM radio in their lives and continue to use it out of habit. But they're getting older and as we just saw with WCBS, there doesn't seem to be a profitable enough business model for commercial broadcasters to keep serving that demo even with the best content.
 
I think talk radio could do similar - get some fresh out of college talent who are funny and can bantor with a younger crowd. WBZ has Matt Shearer who is a step in that direction for news radio.
KFI and KDKA are trying that with college student shows, but they put the shows on weekends and overnights.
 
It's a combination of things that add up to make AM radio irrelevant in the Internet era.

Here's what Corus said about the shutdown of CHML:

Corus said the decision was made as the company faces challenges due to a "significant shift in TV and Digital advertising spending, with the increased and unregulated presence of foreign owned media platforms."

They made the announcement on Twitter: A foreign owned media platform. We need to recognize that social media is the new news radio. Consider that when Joe Biden announced he was withdrawing from the election, he did it on Twitter. Not on any traditional media.
 
Going back to the early days of FM - it seemed there was at least some thought of an AM to FM migration. Many AMs were given FM licenses and simulcast at least at first. If the idea was to migrate to a newer technology, that would have made the most sense to continue with. Then the priority seemed to shift to expanding the number of radio stations using both bands. Simulcasting was discouraged/restricted and a lot of AM and FM licenses were given out independently. A lot of AMs that had an FM sold them off to make a quick buck. Even Westinghouse in the early 80's decided to focus on AM and sold their FMs.

Some of the largest markets might be exceptions, but most areas had the same number of FM's as they did legacy AM's prior to 1980. The reason was because FM's were thought to be natural compliments with existing AM's. Most of your legacy AM stations were also offered an opportunity to get a TV station if they wanted one. A handful of broadcasters took the FM licenses, ran them on the cheap, and stuck it out, but a large number of them concluded the FM's weren't worth the expense. A handful also made the mistake of believing FM would never take off into the 70's and early 80's.

I know revenue is drastically down for radio over a prolonged number of years. There are just way too many stations which was a problem even when revenue was better.

The explosion of new radio stations in the 1980's when the advertising pool was shrinking was a problem. That's how we ended up with the mass consolidations we've seen over the last roughly 30 years.

All these AM/FM simulcasts going on today (specifically using a full power FM to simulcast an AM) are more about lack of knowing what to do with the FM than it is about saving the AM. The AM format must have appeal if it is worth putting on FM. In the case of WINS FM/KROCK the station never found its footing since losing their morning show to Sirius. "Let's just put WINS on there".

I tend to disagree with you here. The AM/FM simulcasts we're seeing today would seem more to me about preserving the profitable programming on AM. Major broadcasters are aware that AM radio has no future. If they're going to preserve stations like WINS, they're not going to be doing that on AM. Given that WINS is one of the highest billing stations in the entire country (let alone in the Audacy portfolio), it was going to have to migrate to FM at some point if it was going to remain the cash cow it was. So, Audacy decided to rip the band aid off and do it.

Radio needs some new thinking to bring in a new audience. I'm not saying I have any ideas - I'm just making the observation. Mason Kelter Liveline is an example as the show seems to be appealing to a younger audience prying them away from their phones. A lot of it is just looking to the past and refreshing it for today. Lots of bantor, lots of callers and requests. Using the requests to figure out what music the audience wants. I think talk radio could do similar - get some fresh out of college talent who are funny and can bantor with a younger crowd. WBZ has Matt Shearer who is a step in that direction for news radio.

The problem is that the younger generation wants a push medium. Radio is a pull medium. I'm not sure how radio solves that problem. New thinking might help, but even that doesn't solve the problem that radio just isn't what younger millennials and zoomers want. Anything new you could do with radio could also be done with Apple Music and Spotify. Personally, I like radio because it's easy. Building a personal playlist takes work, and radio isn't something I'm willing to work at to enjoy. I like being able to push a button and hear what I want to hear. If I hear something I don't like, I push another button, and that programming is replaced by new programming. Even building a playlist through suggestions from Spotify or Apple Music requires more clicks and more button pushes than radio. Having said that, even I don't consume radio with a regular radio very often anymore. The real question to me that will determine radio's viability, at least in the concept we have of it now, is whether the younger generation will do like the rest of us and spend more time with radio as they get older. After all, I had mixtapes and CD's with just my favorites in my teens and 20's. That's been too much work for the last 20 years. I've also said many times that radio, in some form or another, will always exist. It just may not be consumed on traditional AM and FM and might not work exactly the way it does now. At some point, we have to just let old technology die. Hopefully, we've embraced something new first.

"" giving AM a place on the FM dial. ""
You mean taking the former TV channel 6, 82-88 MHz? Most FM radios tidsat don't reach those frequences so the same problem exists, not getting listeners until those potential listeners buy new radios to hear those stations.

No. I am referring to allowing AM stations translators on the FM band. Using Channels 5 & 6 for an expanded FM band was briefly considered roughly 30 years ago when digital TV was being planned. Even then, broadcasters had little to no appetite for a change like that.

(By the way, unless you're using a device that doesn't support it or use adaptive technology, please use the quote feature. It would make your messages a lot easier to read and would likely mean less work for you once you figure it out.)

The two goliaths that fell this week -- WCBS and CHML -- had some of the best signals possible with amazing coverage, though. It's a combination of things that add up to make AM radio irrelevant in the Internet era. Coverage is one, yes. But let's face it, the sound quality is atrocious and there are too many radios now that don't even have the AM band anymore.

That just underscores that AM is already dead. WCBS has almost no listeners under 50. AM certainly suffered multiple wounds in its more than 100 year lifespan, but people not growing up with it guaranteed they wouldn't ever think of it. That mostly goes back to coverage and that people who grew up in suburbs and large metro areas never had access to enough of the programming on it. A strong station or two isn't enough to overcome that, especially when those few strong stations went after older people anyway.
 
Here's what Corus said about the shutdown of CHML:

["...with the increased and unregulated presence of foreign owned media platforms."]

They made the announcement on Twitter: A foreign owned media platform.

While that may be an accurate observation, the wording that statement is pure political hyperbole. The Canadian government views its domestic media companies as vehicles to promote Canadian culture and identity. To that end, they mandate that Canadian radio stations play at least 35% Canadian content and make substantial payments into national funding plans meant to prop up Canadian music and entertainment production.

Naturally, the broadcasters would rather not have to deal with these requirements or give up one cent of their revenue for any sort of greater good. Hamilton in particular is within reach of broadcast signals from Buffalo, NY, and while they barely make a dent in the Hamilton ratings this broadcaster couldn't seem to pass up the opportunity to blame their problems on the Americans. The truth is the big Canadian broadcasters have taken many of their cues from the companies they idolize south of their border and they have followed their footsteps, overextending themselves with mergers and acquisitions they can't afford saddling them with a mountain of debt they can't pay back. Corus is sort of like the Audacy of Canada, teetering on bankruptcy, the victim of their own corporate greed.

AM radio indeed faces technological troubles but that's greatly exacerbated by the parent companies collapsing under the weight of such crushing debt. On both sides of the border this has led to extreme cost cutting, slashing jobs and shutting down parts of the business just to try to stay afloat. The AM stations are some of the most expendable assets and are among the first to go.
 
Going back to the early days of FM - it seemed there was at least some thought of an AM to FM migration. Many AMs were given FM licenses and simulcast at least at first. If the idea was to migrate to a newer technology, that would have made the most sense to continue with. Then the priority seemed to shift to expanding the number of radio stations using both bands. Simulcasting was discouraged/restricted and a lot of AM and FM licenses were given out independently. A lot of AMs that had an FM sold them off to make a quick buck. Even Westinghouse in the early 80's decided to focus on AM and sold their FMs.

If that "migration" had happened, this whole thing now may be less painful. I think a lot of people are just sad to see their favorite station brands disappearing. Of course, stations have always been "disappearing" just from format changes but losing a WCBS or a CHML really hits home.

I know revenue is drastically down for radio over a prolonged number of years. There are just way too many stations which was a problem even when revenue was better. All these AM/FM simulcasts going on today (specifically using a full power FM to simulcast an AM) are more about lack of knowing what to do with the FM than it is about saving the AM. The AM format must have appeal if it is worth putting on FM. In the case of WINS FM/KROCK the station never found its footing since losing their morning show to Sirius. "Let's just put WINS on there".

Radio needs some new thinking to bring in a new audience. I'm not saying I have any ideas - I'm just making the observation. Mason Kelter Liveline is an example as the show seems to be appealing to a younger audience prying them away from their phones. A lot of it is just looking to the past and refreshing it for today. Lots of bantor, lots of callers and requests. Using the requests to figure out what music the audience wants. I think talk radio could do similar - get some fresh out of college talent who are funny and can bantor with a younger crowd. WBZ has Matt Shearer who is a step in that direction for news radio.

Meanwhile I'm just listening to AM about 80% of my radio listening time enjoying it while it's still around whether its music, news, talk or whatever. AM sounds good on older wideband radios of which I have many so I'm putting them to good use. There is a cquam station nearby I listen to a lot which sounds great but I know that is not going to bring in many 20-year-olds. I'll just enjoy it as long as it's around.
The big delay with AM moving to FM was mainly caused by a combination of the advent of television at nearly the same time and existing FM stations moved to an entirely new band, thus obsoleting all existing stations! You can thank David Sarnoff for the latter.
 
AM radio indeed faces technological troubles but that's greatly exacerbated by the parent companies collapsing under the weight of such crushing debt. On both sides of the border this has led to extreme cost cutting, slashing jobs and shutting down parts of the business just to try to stay afloat. The AM stations are some of the most expendable assets and are among the first to go.

All of that overlooks the fact that people stopped listening to AM radio long before the consolidation, long before the crushing debt, long before the cost cutting, long before the job slashing. All of those subsequent things would NOT have happened if people had continued to listen. But they didn't. So then all the rest of it happened. There was a time when these stations were fully staffed, and the companies were still profitable. It was at that time that the listeners discovered alternatives. So they left.

You complain about big companies, but there are NO companies bigger than the tech companies that have destroyed radio and everything else. The entire radio industry is a fraction of the size of Google. Less than 10% of the size of Apple. And the tech companies don't care about heritage radio stations that people grew up with. They started their own radio stations that promote their own brands and technology. And the people who used to love AM & FM radio have all left and gone to the tech sites where they listen to the songs they want to hear without commercials. And the stations they used to listen to can see the exodus, and can do nothing about it. That's why the radio companies are cutting costs and slashing jobs. Not because they want to, but because the people who used to listen left, and are now making Google, Apple, Amazon, and all the other companies very rich and powerful.

So yes, the companies have to shut down parts of their business just to stay afloat. Because the people left and found a new toy to play with. AM radio is the most expendable, because no one under the age of 55 listens. Even they don't listen as much as they used to, because they're too busy chatting with friends on message boards or social media. They're too busy playing with their new tech toys to listen to Ancient Modulation. Why would they do that? Why would they listen to traffic reports on AM when they can get more focused information on their phone? Why indeed? So Corus shuts down an AM station that was no longer popular, and made the announcement on Twitter because if they did it on the radio station, no one would have heard it.

The debt has nothing to do with it. After going through bankruptcy, Audacy will get rid of 90% of its debt. The debt will be gone. But that won't bring back listeners or advertisers, all of whom are using their phones and computers.
 
The big delay with AM moving to FM was mainly caused by a combination of the advent of television at nearly the same time and existing FM stations moved to an entirely new band, thus obsoleting all existing stations! You can thank David Sarnoff for the latter.
We do. It was Sarnoff's "A stopped clock is right twice a day" moment. Can you imagine the problems FM would have today if the band was still stuck in that skip-prone 8 MHz segment that it had to deal with during the war?
 
You complain about big companies, but there are NO companies bigger than the tech companies that have destroyed radio and everything else...

That's a nice laundry list of complaints and while your points have merit, consider this. As both you and David Eduardo have pointed on on this site, Audacy's day-to-day operations are making money. They only reason the company is bankrupt is because of the debt from the ill-advised CBS merger. That really says it all, and I suspect the same is true with Corus.
 
That's a nice laundry list of complaints and while your points have merit, consider this. As both you and David Eduardo have pointed on on this site, Audacy's day-to-day operations are making money. They only reason the company is bankrupt is because of the debt from the ill-advised CBS merger. That really says it all, and I suspect the same is true with Corus.

Here's a fact about that. Had Audacy NOT bought CBS Radio, the company that did would have been stuck with the same $2 billion debt. That debt was created by the CBS Corporation. They were going to get rid of radio one way or the other. The plan was for the radio division to be spun off as its own company, saddled with $2 billion in debt. They would have had fewer stations and fewer resources to pay down that debt. And none of that would have changed the fact that its heritage AM stations were all appealing to 55+. So we would have been in the exact same place. Just with a different company name to blame. Does that make you feel better?
 
Here's a fact about that. Had Audacy NOT bought CBS Radio, the company that did would have been stuck with the same $2 billion debt. That debt was created by the CBS Corporation. They were going to get rid of radio one way or the other. The plan was for the radio division to be spun off as its own company, saddled with $2 billion in debt. They would have had fewer stations and fewer resources to pay down that debt. And none of that would have changed the fact that its heritage AM stations were all appealing to 55+. So we would have been in the exact same place. Just with a different company name to blame. Does that make you feel better?

That's just whataboutism. And no one had to buy CBS Radio, that was Audacy's choice. If no one had bought it, it would be Paramount's problem and we've all seen where they are now. Another poorly managed mega corporation. Squint and you might see a pattern.
 
That's just whataboutism. And no one had to buy CBS Radio, that was Audacy's choice. If no one had bought it, it would be Paramount's problem and we've all seen where they are now. Another poorly managed mega corporation. Squint and you might see a pattern.

No, it wouldn't. Read what I wrote. They were going to get rid of radio one way or another. If not Audacy, then it would have been spun off to it's own company, not connected to Paramount or CBS in any way. With fewer stations and less revenue, but the same debt, they would have gone bankrupt quicker. But no, Paramount would not have to worry about it. Just as they don't now.

Here is the reporting from 2016:



Try to understand: AM radio is in trouble no matter who owns it. As long as it depends on people listening, and advertisers advertising, it's in trouble.
 
AM radio indeed faces technological troubles but that's greatly exacerbated by the parent companies collapsing under the weight of such crushing debt. On both sides of the border this has led to extreme cost cutting, slashing jobs and shutting down parts of the business just to try to stay afloat. The AM stations are some of the most expendable assets and are among the first to go.

Maybe. AM's problems started and had largely gone past the point of no return several years before the Telecommunications Act passed. The debt almost certainly didn't help, but all the money in the world couldn't make most AM signals viable.

Keep in mind, also, that plenty of broadcasters in the 70's and early 80's crushed themselves by throwing good money after bad on AM. Storz may be the most prominent example of a company that ultimately had to get out of the business because it didn't believe in FM. Storz, however, likely fared better than most since it had solid facilities that were still worth something when it sold. Most of your smaller broadcasters weren't so lucky.

A good example of a smaller broadcaster in the 7/7/7 era that you probably have never heard of was Broadcast Associates. It owned stations in Amarillo, Tulsa, Wichita Falls, and Fayetteville, AR and didn't believe in FM. It went through a ton of effort, time, and money to upgrade its KHOG 1440 in Fayetteville to a 10,000 watt day and 1,000 watt night signal on 1030. KHOG eventually ended up getting that bigger signal at 1030, but it had it for no more than two years. It swapped with daytimer KFAY 1250, sent 1250 to a local pastor, and Broadcast Associates was out of the business.

Northwest Arkansas is one of the five fastest growing areas in the country thanks to Walmart, the food processing companies, like Tyson, transportation companies, and the University of Arkansas. No more than 3% of listening in that area is to AM today, and FM has been more than 90% of listening there for roughly a quarter century. The writing was on the wall roughly 30 years ago. AM was about 15% of listening while KKIX 103.9 alone was 18%! Not a single AM has ever covered the entirety of Washington and Benton Counties 24/7. Even that signal on 1030 that KHOG spent so much time pining for misses at least a third of Washington County (and almost all of Benton County) after dark. It also misses almost all of Springdale, the second largest city in Washington County, when it shifts to its nighttime pattern. While KHOG was pursuing that bigger yet still deficient AM signal, an FM at 107.9 was allocated to the area. To the best of my knowledge, Broadcast Associates never pursued it. It covers from the Missouri state line to past Ft. Smith on the I-49 corridor. Broadcast Associates wasn't the only operator to make a mistake like that.

The AM dial in Northwest Arkansas is truly dreadful, and one could potentially make the argument that AM listening would be more if companies invested in it. The counterpoint, however, is why throw money away on programming that half or more of the market can't hear around the clock? Most of the AM operators have at least one FM, and all the full power FM's cover the market better than any AM. Why not put the bulk of the money into the FM's? Plus, the AM operator who lived in the area and really focused on running his operation and being local retired about a month ago and signed his station off. He was barely making it as it was.
 
One more thing: Don't confuse crushing debt with job cuts. The companies are not applying any of the money from job cuts to paying down debt. The debt is being dealt with through the bankruptcy process, where the lenders are getting equity in exchange for debt. Also the companies are selling assets such as tower land to pay down debt. The job cuts are tied to revenue losses related to the advertising crisis. Less revenue means less money for staff. Both of these things are happening at the same time, but they're not the same problem.
 
We do. It was Sarnoff's "A stopped clock is right twice a day" moment. Can you imagine the problems FM would have today if the band was still stuck in that skip-prone 8 MHz segment that it had to deal with during the war?
I believe there was also no noncommercial educational reservation in the 42 MHz band.
 
Of course, the big reason AM will never have a chance to catch on again is average consumers stopped buying radios easily thirty years ago.
Does there exist data that supports that assertion? I see this type of statement made often in RadioDiscussions but I've never seen data to back it up. Such data may well exist, but I haven't seen it myself.
 
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