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My grandfather called the refrigerator an icebox, too.

@michael hagerty Granted, I'm an outlier, but I've been listening to radio my whole life practically, though I did get an iPod Nano back in 2009 or 2010, and I used it like everyone else at the time. I even dabbled in online streaming as far back as 2005 with Rhapsody, and file sharing with eDonkey2000, eMule, and eventually BitTorrent, so I was a model Millennial in that sense. I missed out on the Napster craze, though I had heard of it as far back as 2000.

It was all secondary to radio, though. I only gave up on radio – except as a source of news – for the past decade or so because basically there wasn't anything I wanted to listen to. Only recently, with the handful of actual oldies stations coming online that play the music I grew up listening to have I become more interested in listening to the radio again.

But again, I'm an outlier, so I don't represent the majority of my peers very well, if at all (I don't care much for any pop music more recent that maybe 1990, for example, in particular most "radio" music (music played on most modern CHR stations) recorded in the past 10 to 15 years or so, and I actually hate the recent trend of everything needing to sound like some sort of loud, angry sounding rap music).

In many ways, I seem to identify more like a Boomer at twice my age, maybe even older (early Rock n Roll is about as hard as I want to get most of the time, though there is some later rock from the 70s and early 80s that I don't mind. And then there's soft rock, AKA "yacht rock" (in my defense, millennials and zoomers are actually re popularizing that stuff a bit)).

Anyway, this is a fine subject and all, but what does it have to do with the title of this thread?


Yeah, I'm almost, kinda-sorta, pretty much in that category (not only did I grow up listening to oldies, but I also listened to lots of standards, and I was really into it (to the extent that I actually bought several box sets full of Big Band and swing stuff)).


Indeed!

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Before anyone takes your comment and says "SEE?", it's good that you understand you are an outlier.

Over the years here, we've had a variation on this conversation regarding formats (Beautiful Music, Standards, Oldies, Jazz, Classical), with anecdotal evidence of young people liking those.

Now it's about radio itself, not any particular format, but the problem is still the same:

You need to have a whole lot of any given demo to actually listen, and listen all at once, for it to matter.
 
I can still remember "when the iceman commeth" with a big block of ice held with huge prongs which was inserted in the device.
Alright, that part was before my time. You win!

Never had to do that!
It was of a vintage not unlike https://oldcrank.com/collection/victrola_xiv/vv-xiv.html. The interior surface adjacent to the turntable had an inset for a jar of new needles. They looked steel and were as thick as pushpin tacks. (I'm going from memories formed when I was probably 8.) Anyway, apparently, the used needles had to be disposed of very frequently, and new ones swapped in, to prevent the grooves on the old 78s it played from being trashed. I can only imagine the lives of the garbage collectors and landfill workers during the era these things were in vogue. They must have all looked like Hellraiser.

Actually I saw a statistic yesterday that the age is 25. The data was showing how persons 15-25 haven't listened to terrestrial radio in at least one month or more.
Okay, that's more in line with what my instincts would have told me.

That's the point; persons between 15 and 25 years old aren't listening to the radio for longer periods.
Then radio should try giving them reasons to listen for long periods. Whatever happened to live remotes and broadcasting live concert venues? Local stations can't afford that sort of expense individually anymore, but large group owners can certainly take swings at it. Imagine companies like IHM making deals with artists relevant to the age groups radio wants -- deals to broadcast all the stops along their concert tours, live (including local concerts whenever the seating sold out in advance). "Taylor Swift live from London" airs today on one IHM station in each market IHM is in. Days later, "Taylor Swift live from Toronto" airs on a different IHM station in each market IHM is in. Etc. Do this as often as possible, with as many artists as financially possible who have followings large and devoted enough to net mass-installs of the large radio companies' streaming apps -- and large turnings-on of the radios in those followers' cars. (Even if video feeds of concerts like these already existed, radio could still do audio-only feeds the same way MLB games get shown on TV but aired audio-only on local radio.) And don't stop with established artists' concerts. Start head hunting local talent and frequently bringing musicians in for live, in-studio performances the way radio used to. During the major concert broadcast events, promote the existence of radio as a new venue for live music culture and discovery in general so younger listeners flocking in to hear "Taylor Swift Live in Paris" keep their app installations. Scour what passes for "the music scene" today, like Bandcamp, to find even more up and coming artists -- the ones in the liftoff phases of their popularity and about whom there's increasing buzz. How about the fashionable college stations in large urban cities that are always finding and bringing in artists to perform live? Even exploring foreign radio can lead to exceptional artists we'd otherwise never know existed in the U.S. (I found this unknown while listening to the CBC and could've mistaken his song for something Billboard would chart.) And pool resources. Imagine networking stations again (a la the early days of radio) so 100% live, all-day-long weekend shows can be done, aired on one company-owned station in each market but produced by switching from one station (city) to the next throughout the day for source audio -- giving different artists turns performing live from their respective towns to the entire country.

Etc.

Remember how all the original stations like KFI were built with large soundstages and orchestra pits for live broadcasts? "Live" was a huge part of their daily schedules. I think radio morphing back to that philosophy is the only practical shot it has at remaining viable long term. Non-live, formatted hit music stations can continue on forever for generations X and older. But for those without preexisting radio habits, stations that do nothing but play prerecorded songs off CDs day and night can only come across as inferior, obsolete versions of the bottomless cloud-based CD changers that are Spotify and Pandora. Spotify and Pandora beat radio because they can put playlists together that are maximally satisfying for and taylored to individuals -- and all without commercials. Radio PDs, by comparison, as good as they may be, can only try satisfying broad groups of people generally -- and even then, only between the advertising breaks. Without habit or nostalgia bringing young people to radio the way it brings in older listeners, why would the younger ones want to start listening to it purely for its inferior imitation of what they already get from streaming? For young people to actually listen to radio, it needs to offer them what those cloud-based CD changers can't. Partly making it a "scene" again -- for a culture of live exclusive performances as much as being a vortex into "wish I was there" experiences like top artists' live concerts -- would certainly be one approach. Or so my pipedreaming-prone mind tells me.
 
I even dabbled in online streaming as far back as 2005 with Rhapsody, and file sharing with eDonkey2000, eMule, and eventually BitTorrent, so I was a model Millennial in that sense. I missed out on the Napster craze, though I had heard of it as far back as 2000.
I was on all of those. Napster was the best for variety. You could find everything there because it was ordinary people's first experience with mass file sharing and everyone wanted to share the wealth -- to help build up an amazing global library of musical Alexandria by contributing whatever they had in their own collections, right down to digitizing all their unrereleased vinyls, promo issues, etc. But the quality often spoiled the experience. 128 kbit/s somehow got settled on by the community as a compromise for dial-up and broadband users, and rare material could often be found only at that bitrate.

I don't care much for any pop music more recent that maybe 1990, for example, in particular most "radio" music (music played on most modern CHR stations) recorded in the past 10 to 15 years or so, and I actually hate the recent trend of everything needing to sound like some sort of loud, angry sounding rap music).
In many ways, I seem to identify more like a Boomer at twice my age, maybe even older (early Rock n Roll is about as hard as I want to get most of the time, though there is some later rock from the 70s and early 80s that I don't mind.
not only did I grow up listening to oldies, but I also listened to lots of standards, and I was really into it (to the extent that I actually bought several box sets full of Big Band and swing stuff).
All this describes me as well -- growing up listening to my parents' and grandparents' music and generally losing interest in my own generation's music around 1991. For me, though, there was one modern exception: a surprising amount of the new CHR stuff hitting the radio around 2013-2016 sounded good to me, in some ways reminding me of '80s musical sensibilities. I wound up basking in it briefly and feeling a lot like I did as a kid again -- enthusiastic and energized by new music. In general, that one period not withstanding, most new music I end up liking today is stuff I discover outside mainstream radio. That doesn't mean I don't occasionally still hear interesting things on it. For some reason, I just added Chappell Roan's "Good Luck, Babe!" to my collection a few days ago after playing around with the Qodosen DX-286 I just bought. *shrug*

And then there's soft rock, AKA "yacht rock" (in my defense, millennials and zoomers are actually re popularizing that stuff a bit).
I wonder if you would like KTEA 103.5 | Cambria, California. Last I checked a couple years ago, it had a real PD programming it exclusively for the demographic of the wealthy coastal seaside hamlet it serves -- i.e. it wasn't a satellite-delivered or cookie-cut format appearing on 500 other stations nationwide. I got into a long e-mail exchange with that person at the time and suggested he call what he was doing "yacht pop." He seemed to like the name.
 
As it happens, a longtime friend, a former engineer and station owner and onetime Denver resident, sent me an email yesterday after he returned home from a trip to central Kansas. He took a Potomac Instruments FIM along with him - once an engineer, always an engineer - and reported the following:

It is quite obvious there has been a steady, irreversible increase in the “grass-line” ambient noise level on AM from an infinite, growing number of interference producers. The performance of the AM/FM radio in my truck with a cowl-mounted whip antenna is rather good. Not down to the 20 microvolts or so with the FIM but maybe 50 which of course no “normal” person would put up with.

An infinite number of sputtering power lines. Car and truck ignitions. Over the road cabs are especially noisy. All sorts of domestic appliances.

So we park at the “cattle pens,” an elevated area on the KTA amidst the Flint Hills north of El Dorado. No power lines of any significance. Measured the ambient noise level of 20-30 microvolts. Years ago checking 630 {KHOW Denver} there, there was evidence via a slow heterodyne between the STL and DEN stations. No more — drowned in noise. At Salina, KHOW used to be strong enough at say 50 microvolts to be audible; today drowned in the hash of noise.
By indicating the ambient nighttime "grass line" of AM has risen even when sampled outdoors in rural locations far from electronics and electricity, wouldn't this indicate that the cumulative interference from all the electronics on earth has finally become so ridiculous, it's actually reaching the ionosphere and getting reflected back to earth just like actual radio transmissions -- where it manifests as spectral components so infinitely diffused and randomized that receivers simply see them all as one unified higher white noise floor?

If that's correct, it would mean our civilization is now generating as much garbage RF as our largest cities produce light pollution at night -- making the inability to receive all but strong stations today analogous to only seeing the brightest stars and planets in the sky, with most of the cosmos now hidden from our eyes.
 
Alright, that part was before my time. You win!


It was of a vintage not unlike https://oldcrank.com/collection/victrola_xiv/vv-xiv.html. The interior surface adjacent to the turntable had an inset for a jar of new needles. They looked steel and were as thick as pushpin tacks. (I'm going from memories formed when I was probably 8.) Anyway, apparently, the used needles had to be disposed of very frequently, and new ones swapped in, to prevent the grooves on the old 78s it played from being trashed. I can only imagine the lives of the garbage collectors and landfill workers during the era these things were in vogue. They must have all looked like Hellraiser.


Okay, that's more in line with what my instincts would have told me.


Then radio should try giving them reasons to listen for long periods. Whatever happened to live remotes and broadcasting live concert venues? Local stations can't afford that sort of expense individually anymore, but large group owners can certainly take swings at it. Imagine companies like IHM making deals with artists relevant to the age groups radio wants -- deals to broadcast all the stops along their concert tours, live (including local concerts whenever the seating sold out in advance).
iHeart is one of the few large groups that hosts at least one huge music festival every year. This year I believe it's in Vegas.
"Taylor Swift live from London" airs today on one IHM station in each market IHM is in. Days later, "Taylor Swift live from Toronto" airs on a different IHM station in each market IHM is in. Etc. Do this as often as possible, with as many artists as financially possible who have followings large and devoted enough to net mass-installs of the large radio companies' streaming apps -- and large turnings-on of the radios in those followers' cars. (Even if video feeds of concerts like these already existed, radio could still do audio-only feeds the same way MLB games get shown on TV but aired audio-only on local radio.)
Considering she just sold out five shows at Wembley Stadium and sells out multiple shows wherever she goes in the States, Taylor Swift doesn't need exclusivity with some radio group, nor could any radio group afford to pay for such exclusivity. The net revenue of just one TS concert is more than the gross revenue of all the radio groups combined in a single year.
And don't stop with established artists' concerts. Start head hunting local talent and frequently bringing musicians in for live, in-studio performances the way radio used to.
Can't speak for all of them, but in major markets, iHeart already has performance spaces for exactly that purpose. I don't believe any of those performances are live, but do invite listeners to be in a live audience. I know here in the D.C. area, they host at least one up-and-coming artist or a classic touring one once a month or more depending on availability.
Spotify and Pandora beat radio because they can put playlists together that are maximally satisfying for and taylored to individuals -- and all without commercials.
But radio is constantly being criticized because it isn't playing what an individual wants when they want it. Streaming services and their AI curation comes much closer to solving that problem. That's why it's more popular with a younger audience. Radio can't play on the same playground because it appeals to the masses by playing the hits.
Radio PDs, by comparison, as good as they may be, can only try satisfying broad groups of people generally -- and even then, only between the advertising breaks.
That's why it's called broadcasting.
For young people to actually listen to radio, it needs to offer them what those cloud-based CD changers can't. Partly making it a "scene" again -- for a culture of live exclusive performances as much as being a vortex into "wish I was there" experiences like top artists' live concerts -- would certainly be one approach. Or so my pipedreaming-prone mind tells me.
Sure, young people would be interested if the concerts featured pop music artists who were allowed to swear between songs, talk openly about sexual activities, and play music that wasn't censored. The problem is, that broadcasting isn't allowed that sort of freedom because of obscenity rules still in effect.
 
OK, but every smartphone in the world works off of radio waves.
Who said "radiotelephone"? I didn't read this whole thread yet.
As far as I was told, the first radio voice broadcasts (were AM and) used in the manner that ham radio is used today, two or sometimes a few more persons each with their own microphone, transmitter, receiver, etc. all carrying on one conversation. At least as late as 1970, FCC licenses required of certain persons at broadcasting stations were titled "First Class Radiotelephone License." (I worked briefly at a station and did not have a "First" but did need and have a "Third Class Radiotelephone Permit.) Why they called it a permit and not a license I don't know, but I needed to have (passed the required FCC exam and) have that document to do a (for me) DJ show (of what we now call oldies) without someone else with such a license or permit on duty.

Back then, ham licenses were titled "... Radiotelegraph License" or permit or whatever. Before "radio broacasting," Morse Code was transmitted by simply turning the transmitter on or off, keying the transmitter, so to speak. It was also called CW for "continuous wave."

I think the term "refrigerator" was invented before Freon (or ammonia or other) mechanical refrigeration was invented. "Refrigerator" or "Reefer" railroad cars were packed with ice back then, just like gigantic household ice boxes.
 
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Who said "radiotelephone"? I didn't read this whole thread yet.
As far as I was told, the first radio voice broadcasts (were AM and) used in the manner that ham radio is used today, two or sometimes a few more persons each with their own microphone, transmitter, receiver, etc. all carrying on one conversation. At least as late as 1970, FCC licenses required of certain persons at broadcasting stations were titled "First Class Radiotelephone License." (I worked briefly at a station and did not have a "First" but did need and have a "Third Class Radiotelephone Permit.) Why they called it a permit and not a license I don't know, but I needed to have (passed the required FCC exam and) have that document to do a (for me) DJ show (of what we now call oldies) without someone else with such a license or permit on duty.

Back then, ham licenses were titled "... Radiotelegraph License" or permit or whatever. Before "radio broacasting," Morse Code was transmitted by simply turning the transmitter on or off, keying the transmitter, so to speak. It was also called CW for "continuous wave."
Electrical communication was done by wired telegraphy and telephone initially. When it was found it could be done without wires, it was called "wireless".

In a good part of the English speaking world, it is still called "wireless". "Radio" was first used in the 1880's but not rapidly adopted.

In an accurate Wikipedia article, it says, "The switch to radio in place of wireless took place slowly and unevenly in the English-speaking world. Lee de Forest helped popularize the new word in the United States "—in early 1907, he founded the DeForest Radio Telephone Company, and his letter in the 22 June 1907 Electrical World about the need for legal restrictions warned that "Radio chaos will certainly be the result until such stringent regulation is enforced."[18] The United States Navy would also play a role. Although its translation of the 1906 Berlin Convention used the terms wireless telegraph and wireless telegram, by 1912 it began to promote the use of radio instead. The term started to become preferred by the general public in the 1920s with the introduction of broadcasting."

(Radio - Wikipedia)
 
Although I'm not really known here in RD.com for off-the-wall ideas, here's my idea for the future of FM (in the USA):

Another option within my consolidation concept - one company would own and operate/maintain all the FM transmitters in the USA and companies that want to broadcast (commercial, public, religious etc.) would buy blocks of time on FM frequencies (similar to the cell phone system - streaming music companies don't own the cell networks, they just buy time on them).


Kirk Bayne
 
Surprisingly, I think FM radio will outlive all of us. Will it become some de facto source of news and entertainment like radio forty years ago? Absolutely not.
Will some, mainly public FM stations that produce unique programming survive and thrive well into the future? I'd estimate yes.
 
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