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AM Radio Stations in DFW...

With the way AM is, I was wondering how far they went at night on the am dial?. Now I do know its subject to weather/atmopspheric conditions..but could a KRLD or KLIF go as far as say Austin? Id also love to hear about like KAAM and Heaven 97..and those sorts...Just trying to think if the maps at radio locator are as accurate as they say :)
 
I usually get WBAP and KRLD in the car 24/7 (minus under bridges, power lines, parking garages, etc) and on my Sony XDR-F1HD in the house with the simple AM loop it comes with most of the time. They both come in pretty good at night on the Sony indoors. I'm guessing neither is pushing IBOC/HD out right now because they sound pretty clean and come in clear enough for a lock. Other "cheap-o" radios usually pull both in at night as well, just not as good.

radio-locator says that KAAM 770 is only 1000w nightime but I'm barely pulling in some jazz/sax solo as we speak. It's very weak and honestly not listenable. I'll have to remember to check during the day since R-L says they run 10000w daytime.

KLIF is a little better than KAAM, but it's mostly buzz/interference.

Austin has a local on 970 so no Heaven 97.

I've listened to WBAP as far south as South Padre before... was listening to a Stars game a few years ago. :D

Other quick/easy nighttime catches on the Sony:
KWKH 1130 Shreveport comes in great, even though R-L maps would strongly disagree.
KFAQ 1170 Tulsa 50kw (with IBOC buzz - HD trys to lock but never does)
WWL 870 New Orleans
WSM 650 Nashville is barely there - mostly buzz/interference

I can also pull in several Mexican stations at night as well, the best and easiest catch for me is XEG 1050. There are others, it's the only one I've been able to ID. I do not speak Spanish and they ID as La Ranchera Monterrey after just about every song.

The Sony XDR-F1HD is a VERY impressive tuner. I highly recommend it to anyone. It's by far the best tuner I've ever used and I'm impressed on what it pulls in that other tuners can't, even on the FM band.

Sorry if that was too much info!
 
I take that back... KRLD must be pushing IBOC because HD just locked in. The audio is out of sync because it can't keep it locked. Surprisingly, I'm not hearing a noticeable buzz/hash when it's non-HD/IBOC.
 
sox fan matt said:
With the way AM is, I was wondering how far they went at night on the am dial?. Now I do know its subject to weather/atmopspheric conditions..but could a KRLD or KLIF go as far as say Austin? Id also love to hear about like KAAM and Heaven 97..and those sorts...Just trying to think if the maps at radio locator are as accurate as they say :)

WBAP is an easy night time catch in the Chicago area. Used to be able to hear KRLD occasionally, but much tougher now with a local on 1080.
 
sox fan matt said:
With the way AM is, I was wondering how far they went at night on the am dial?. Now I do know its subject to weather/atmopspheric conditions..but could a KRLD or KLIF go as far as say Austin? Id also love to hear about like KAAM and Heaven 97..and those sorts...Just trying to think if the maps at radio locator are as accurate as they say :)

First, the Radio Locator maps are groundwave, so all the discussion of skywave is irrelevant.

Second, the maps are approximate, which is why they are labeled for amusement purposes only. The useful coverage area for AMs is about 20% inside the innermost red Radio Locator contour... that is where almost all of a station's ratings come from. The fringe and ultrafringe contours mean you can hear, or usually hear, the station, but in fact nearly nobody listens in those areas.
 
In The case of WBAP 820 they are a clear channel station [not the company]
and they are heard in about 40 states at night. KRLD 1080 gets out there too because they are 50 kw day and night with a slight directional pattern to the west at night. 770's signal can be shaky at night but is generally good up here in McKinney. 970 is OK at night but not great.
KLIF 570 is the weaker of the bunch but still gets out pretty good at night. although Cuba's Radio Reloj on 570 can be heard on occasion.
 
Years ago, I picked up WBAP in middle Tennessee about 3 am, and a couple of years ago, I got KRLD about 100 miles south west of San Antonio, listened to it all the way back to DFW.
 
During the daytime KLIF, KSKY, and WBAP can be heard in Amarillo. KLIF makes it all the way to the New Mexico border, as does WBAP (on a good radio.)

Last summer at a lunch stop in Tucumcari, New Mexico I could hear KSKY underneath KTNN at high noon.

At night I recall hearing WBAP in Southern California years ago. That was before it was drowned out by co-channels. Also heard it in Central Florida in the mid 70's.

I could go on and on about where I've heard the various DFW AM's, day and night.
 
Back in the late 80s to early 90s, I used to travel to Colorado every summer, staying just outside of Denver. Sometimes at night, I could barely catch KRLD. This was with a cheap portable radio, so I probably just lucked out.
 
I was able to listen to Bill Mack on WBAP 820 back in the 80's, loud & clear in Hot Springs, AR.

I had trouble hearing KRLD 1080 because their pattern protects KAAY 1090 in Little Rock. I was between the 2 stations so it was nulled out for me most of the time.
 
Mediafrog+ said:
During the daytime KLIF, KSKY, and WBAP can be heard in Amarillo. KLIF makes it all the way to the New Mexico border, as does WBAP (on a good radio.)

Last summer at a lunch stop in Tucumcari, New Mexico I could hear KSKY underneath KTNN at high noon.

At night I recall hearing WBAP in Southern California years ago. That was before it was drowned out by co-channels. Also heard it in Central Florida in the mid 70's.

I could go on and on about where I've heard the various DFW AM's, day and night.

570 used to be so strong, I could hear them on a Radio Shack portable in Midland - and actually listened to them at a pool out there. They were better top-40 than the local station. In NW Houston, they were almost like a local, a little weaker than KLVI, but still static free. Those days are over with IBOC sapping their power.

KMKI 620 came in perfect C-Quam stereo as far West as a rest stop near Crosbyton on a Sony SRF-A1. They were listenable enough in Lubbock there was a small, but devoted group of listeners there that I discovered quite by accident. Post IBOC, those listeners complained the signal was greatly diminished. 620 was strong enough in Abilene and had enough listeners I believe they did at least one remote from there. They throw a strong null towards Houston, but at night are probably the strongest Radio Disney affiliate in the area, providing you are not too close to the local 610. North, they are quite listenable in Oklahoma City.

KSKY 660 at night is much stronger than KMKI because they use more power. They had a power increase a few years ago that made them even more listenable. I would not be surprised if there was a small, but devoted audience in West Texas. I have heard them listenable as far as Dumas.

KAAM 770 is another case of IBOC power loss. There were a few Houston listeners after a local standards station switched, but after their power dropped due to IBOC those listeners are probably gone. KAAM was another station that was in perfect C-Quam stereo at that rest stop in Crosbyton, but listening in Lubbock was problematic because KKOB increases in strength quite a bit between Crosbyton and Lubbock.

WBAP goes as far as Roswell on an old Delco radio with a 60 inch whip - incredible ground wave. They are almost like a local in Houston, very listenable. A small Radio Shack loop will clear them to static free on even a cheap radio. WBAP is one of those heritage clear channels that has been heard all over the world - remarkable because some of those long hauls like Australia contain considerable daylight signal paths.

The new station on 850 has a really good ground wave, I've heard it in Lubbock and as far North as Dumas. It is daytime only, of course. I was a bit disappointed to have it come on the air, because KOA was an occasional daytime catch in Plano.

KRLD 1080 is another curious case of a station that gets out a lot better than it ought to. I can pull it out, with difficulty, in far NW Houston, although it probably suffers from IBOC power drain as well. Pre-IBOC, they were almost like a local in Conroe, TX, fighting off adjacent channel hash from a local 1070. I'll have to re-check at that location now that they are running IBOC. My gut feeling, though, based on other stations, is that they will be weaker than they were.

Let's not forget that little station on 540 and KKLF 1700 - I've heard both in Lubbock - pre IBOC on KKLF. Even nighttime, KKLF is smothered by an oldies station in Houston.

I haven't checked how some of the new stuff in the 1100's gets out - lack of time to fool around with them. Houston's 1560 sometimes booms into Dallas at odd times, I bet the 1540 from the DFW area gets South, too - I haven't checked.
 
Actually, the station covering KKLF on occassion is from Brownsville, not Houston, which makes your point even stronger.
 
Lancer said:
I was able to listen to Bill Mack on WBAP 820 back in the 80's, loud & clear in Hot Springs, AR.

I had trouble hearing KRLD 1080 because their pattern protects KAAY 1090 in Little Rock. I was between the 2 stations so it was nulled out for me most of the time.

I think that the real protection for KRLD is WTIC, not the adjacent channel.

Pre-Narba (up to '42) KRLD was on 1040 with WTIC, both at 50 kw, and KTHS (now in Little Rock) was on 1060 with 10 kw. Post NARBA, KTHS had to protect more important 1090 allocations severely as well as the adjacents. Since KTHS, which was then in Hot Springs, had to protect Baltimore and tijuana, the night pattern is extremely narrow.

At http://www.davidgleason.com/Archive Radex/Radex 140 November December 1940 All.pdf you can see on page 70 the pre NARBA allocation.
 
A GREAT station that is heard everywhere practically although not in Dallas is of Course that 1700 in Brownsville. KVNS can be heard underneath KKLF in Mckinney. And in Wylie I had a Wire Antenna Hooked up Outside, IF i attached the radio to the Wire KVNS Dominated. if i took off the wire KKLF came in. Of course i left the Wire in for some Good old Rock and Roll 8)

Now back to Dallas.
Lucky For us all 820 seems to have killed its IBOC.
KMKI 620 can be heard in Wichita Kansas During the Day! :eek:
[First hand Experience on that one]
 
Over here in East Texas, the big DFW daytime powerhouses are 660, 820, 1080, 1190 (what a waste of a great daytime signal) and 1270.

570 used to be another strong one until IBOC trashed that big signal.

620 has really gone down the toilet with IBOC too. I used to be able to pick it up in Tyler, but now you have to drive around Van TX on I-20 to start hearing it better. A real shame because this used to be a great sounding station

770's a weak no-show here until you get around Tyler. Another one crippled by IBOC.

I've caught 730 skipping around, and at night you can hear it clearly at nights in Texarkana.

The new signal for 890 is no surprise.. a local... East Texans love that format. :p Play 2 minutes of (overmodulated) music, then 5 minutes of ying-yang-yong chatter. Sounds like a shortwave station. I bet that baby also booms nicely SW.

990 has a fairly good signal, but the processing has been terrible lately with the Spanish religious format.

1160's signal has been a disapointment, I thought they'd have a strong signal eastward.

I'm wondering how strong 1110 will be when they get that 50K upgrade. Should be much better.

1310 weak, simular to 770.

1360's weak but you can catch it in the mornings..

1540 does better during twilight and thier 750 watt night pattern can be heard in Longview.

A big surprise has been 1560 KGOW in Houston. This thing is a monster. I've heard it clearly in Dallas and it blanks out poor KNGR from Daingerfiled 15 miles out of town.
 
I miss being able to pick up WLS out of Chicago at night. It was our choice for music back in the day when KLIF powered down at sunset and KRRV in Sherman went off at midnight. The short time KLIF was simulcasting of 950 out of Sherman could be heard in OKC clearly. Also used to listen to 870 out of New Orleans.
 
Gopher, I still live in Chicago for a few more weeks and WLS 890 has certainly changed their power..Its hard to get sometimes ever 40 miles away northwest of Chicago at night. WWL 870 Out of NO ironically booms like its a local most night..
 
sox fan matt said:
Gopher, I still live in Chicago for a few more weeks and WLS 890 has certainly changed their power..Its hard to get sometimes ever 40 miles away northwest of Chicago at night. WWL 870 Out of NO ironically booms like its a local most night..

When you are within 40 miles of a 50 kw AM, you are listening to the groundwave signal. Comparing that to the skywave of WWL is not really an appropriate comparison, as you are talking about two different kinds of propagation.

WLS has not changed power, but things as diverse as seasonal ground conductivity changes, noise levels that increase and make apparent strength lower, deterioration of the ground system or changes around the transmitter site that might affect conductivity could change the signal over time.
 
sox fan matt said:
Gopher, I still live in Chicago for a few more weeks and WLS 890 has certainly changed their power..Its hard to get sometimes ever 40 miles away northwest of Chicago at night. WWL 870 Out of NO ironically booms like its a local most night..

Is WLS still running IBOC? That may be the change in power everybody is observing - yet another station crippled by IBOC.
 
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