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AM Reception: CBU-AM from Vancouver?

Hi,
I have little luck receiving this signal. I'm always surprised since it is a 50kw station day and night. Can anyone give me some reception tips? I enjoy a lot of the Saturday programming that CBC produces and since I'm not always in front of the computer was hoping to get some ideas about how to help with the car or in-home on a stereo.

I cannot receive the FM re-broadcast from Victoria as it is sandwiched between 90.3 KEXP and 90.7 KSER/90.9 KVTI which all come in while in the car.

I am able to receive the 92.1 CBU-FM-1 from Victoria through the area pretty well most of the time.
 
If it's the CBC programming you're interested in, you could try to tune in CBK, 540 out of Regina, Saskatchewan after dark. It's non-directional and clear channel. Looks like CBU goes into a directional mode at sunset.
 
There are three main problems I've found with being able to listen to CBU in the Seattle area. Even tho' it's a 50kw signal, across salt water, on a low dial position on AM690, and around 130 miles away or less, it's hard to hear clearly much south of Marysville much of the time.

The splatter from KIRO-AM 710 really jams the signal - particularly during highly processed commercials (which seems to be about 50% of its programming now on FM). I've never heard such interference two positions away on any of the crammed AM's in Los Angeles or Detroit, so I don't know what the deal is with several Seattle AM's causing loud splatter far beyond what they should. However, since the switch to the all-sports format, it seems to have relented a bit.

Then, at night, there's major interference from the station on 690 in Tijuana, directionalized north with more than 50kw (anyone know for sure how strong that transmitter is nowadays?). Until you get close to Vancouver, it actually tears up the CBU signal most nights and makes it unlistenable, even if you're away from the KIRO splatter.

Thirdly, the CBC has not invested in upgrading its AM facilities for many years now, at least according to the last conversation I've had on the subject with their chief engineer in Vancouver. They added an FM signal on 88.1 instead of cleaning up their rather limpid sounding AM transmitter. but it doesn't make it much past Bellingham. The AM signal they put out on CBU lacks a bit of punch to make it stand out against all of the noise making AM hard to endure now (it needs more than just volume and high EQ, like a better audio chain, and probably a newer transmitter).

Fourth problem around Tacoma/Olympia is the daytime interference from AM680, but it's actually not as bad as the kind I mentioned earlier from AM 710 around Seattle.

So while I too really enjoy the 6:30pm comedy debate show (name eludes me and, last I checked, it still isn't available as a podcast), and Randy Bachman's music show is fun to listen to while driving home after a day's outing in Bellingham or the like, and the newscasts are credible and nice to hear, I find it's often easier to listen to the AM540 signal from Sask. at night. Apart from the Mexican stations that run 70kw or more on AM, it's got to be the most powerful AM signal in the US and Canada. Their transmitter is situated on a salt water lake on the prairies at the bottom of the dial, and heard across the western half of the continent at night. However, it's two time zones ahead of us, so tune in early to hear what you'd otherwise expect for the west coast. And, this time of year, some impressively cold weather forecasts.

And if you're on the road east of the Cascades (away from KOMO's adjacent channel splatter), the CBC on AM 1010 from Calgary puts out a very nice sounding nighttime signal across much of the West, too, and I've heard its skip even during the daytime while driving in Idaho and Wyoming.
 
The Tijuana station (I think the calls are still XETRA) runs at 70,000 watts...On those rare nights when CBU is off the air, they BOOM up here.....
 
What's the deal with stations from Tijuana? There were nights a long time ago when I lived in Eastern Washington that I tried to tune in KJR and heard nothing but Spanish.
 
corporat said:
What's the deal with stations from Tijuana? There were nights a long time ago when I lived in Eastern Washington that I tried to tune in KJR and heard nothing but Spanish.

Loose government enforcement and antenna patterns that funnel the power northward into California, especially.

Thanks for the tips. I've found driving at night that I frequently run into 680 AM from California (Mexico?) smooshing all over 690 which is ESPN sports, just like 710.

Goldilocks, you got my problem outlined well and I thank you for the advice. I knew there was a prairies CBC in the 500s range but had forgotten the frequency mentioned here before.

The program you want is "The Debaters" and no, it's not a podcast. The other good one that has a similar flavour also without a podcast is "Go" on Saturday mornings.
 
Word going around is when the Canadian conversion to digital TV happens in 2011 and CBU-2 88.1 no longer has to protect the CHEK TV 6 audio on 87.7 the CBC will go for a significant power increase on 88.1 (currently operating with 19,500 watts) and possibly shut down 690. Those CBC plans could run into an unforeseen roadblock though as KLOP 88.1 in Ocean Park was recently granted a power increase to 89KW's and a transmitter move to the Olympia area.
 
Bongwater said:
The Tijuana station (I think the calls are still XETRA) runs at 70,000 watts...On those rare nights when CBU is off the air, they BOOM up here.....

I would have sworn that XETRA had new calls for at least the past year, but I can't confirm that that is the case. The FCC Web site has listings for both XETRA and XETRA1, with very similar facilities, but I don't consider the addition of a digit a call-sign change.

As for XETRA's night power and pattern, the station runs 50 kW at night. The higher power, 77 kW, is used daytime only. Also, the night pattern has a huge lobe to the south-southeast but a much smaller (though still quite potent) lobe to the north-northwest. At the local maximum of the minor lobe, the field-strength is about what you'd expect from 50 kW ND. In fact, the other Mexican Class A in the Tijuana area (used to be XEPRS) on 1090, sends a considerably stronger lobe up the coast at night than XETRA does. However, you'd have to get away from KPTK to hear it in the Pacific Northwest.
 
DanStrassberg said:
In fact, the other Mexican Class A in the Tijuana area (used to be XEPRS) on 1090, sends a considerably stronger lobe up the coast at night than XETRA does. However, you'd have to get away from KPTK to hear it in the Pacific Northwest.

Ah yes, the 1090 Soul Express. I couldn't get KING, but I spent many nights listening to that station from Rosarito, Baja California.
 
DanStrassberg said:
I would have sworn that XETRA had new calls for at least the past year, but I can't confirm that that is the case. The FCC Web site has listings for both XETRA and XETRA1, with very similar facilities, but I don't consider the addition of a digit a call-sign change.

I've heard the same thing the other Dan has, that the new calls are XEWW.

Don't look at the FCC website for Mexican (or Canadian) information, especially callsigns.

Foreign data is only in the database to ensure the FCC doesn't license anything that would interfere contrary to the treaties. Since callsign changes don't affect interference, they're REALLY slow to update that information.

Even the technical information is often inaccurate as countries "notify" facilities that don't exist yet or have gone dark years ago. (Most of the defunct Canadian AMs are still notified)

(for the same reason, don't use the Canadian database to look up U.S. stations!) (and this applies to FM and TV as well as AM)
 
Dan said:
Actually I found the XEWW info on the AM database from the "Comision Federal De Telecomunicaciones" site (Mexico's version of the FCC):
http://www.cofetel.gob.mx/wb/Cofetel_2008/Cofe_estaciones_de_am_in
It also appears that the facility is now licensed to PLAYAS DE ROSARITO according to the list.

690 was ID'ing as XEWW as early as April 2008, when I was there (and when I photographed the towers for the 2010 Tower Site Calendar!)

The numerical calls that appear in Mexican listings in the FCC database are there only for the FCC's convenience - they're not part of the Mexican callsign system, and as Doug has correctly noted, callsign information for foreign stations in the FCC database is usually out of date, since it's of no relevance to the purpose of the database, which is to let US stations know what must be protected under international treaty.

As for "Tijuana" vs. "Playas de Rosarito": Mexico doesn't put the same importance on a distinct "city of license" that the US does. Many "cities of license" in the Mexican database, especially for FMs and TVs, reflect transmitter locations, not the areas served. And since the XETRA/XEWW transmitter is indeed at (actually just south of) Rosarito Beach, it makes sense that the Cofetel database would list the station there. I believe XEPRS 1090 is also now listed there.
 
Scott Fybush said:
And since the XETRA/XEWW transmitter is indeed at (actually just south of) Rosarito Beach, it makes sense that the Cofetel database would list the station there. I believe XEPRS 1090 is also now listed there.

According to the cofetel database, XEPRS is licensed to Rancho Del Mar. With my nearly nonexistent knowledge of Spanish, I deduce that this must be on or very near the coast, which, if true, comes as no surprise.
 
As for accuracy of "foreign" radio facilities in Canada in Mexico, also don't rely on the radio-locator.com to be accurate. Even after sending in several messages, they have still list incorrect information about 92.1 in Victoria, and don't list several of the other facilites in nearby British Columbia, including 88.9 Victoria. They also still show AM 1200 as two different incarnations on the Island (it's a Vancouver station now). If the FCC or applicants are relying on that, they're not getting the full picture.

Anyone know of a good supplement for radio-locator for reasonably up to date data and coverage maps for stations that are just over the border?
 
Goldilocks94941 said:
As for accuracy of "foreign" radio facilities in Canada in Mexico, also don't rely on the radio-locator.com to be accurate. Even after sending in several messages, they have still list incorrect information about 92.1 in Victoria, and don't list several of the other facilites in nearby British Columbia, including 88.9 Victoria. They also still show AM 1200 as two different incarnations on the Island (it's a Vancouver station now). If the FCC or applicants are relying on that, they're not getting the full picture.

Anyone know of a good supplement for radio-locator for reasonably up to date data and coverage maps for stations that are just over the border?

http://spectrum.ic.gc.ca/engineering/engdoc/baserad.zip is the authoritative source for Canada. No maps though.
 
Yes, XEPRS 1090 is located right on the coast. I was in the building back in 1981. The 3 tower site is slightly north of Rosarito Beach. The old 690 50kw site was located next to it. 950 AM is nearby too.
 
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