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An apology to Rush (somewhat)

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mwebster

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It's way too much.

Somebody posts a conservative talk show host had a bike accident. A self-proclaimed "liberal" assumes it must be a lie (because those with whom he diagrees always lie) and makes joke.

And those who disagree with Rush like to make jokes about his addiction to pain-killers, and question his sincerity when he changes his stance on drug penalties - dismissing the possibility that people's opinions change through life and people sometimes grow from their experiences in life.

As an example, I offer this. It was posted by a nationally-know radio talk show host on a local board in a market in which he once worked. Personal references have been removed.

<blockquote>Just say "oh, what the hell...okay."
I have to apologize, somewhat, to Rush Limbaugh. When he announced that he was addicted to prescription pain killers, I immediately wrote and produced a song parody about it. ... I also used it on-the-air.

I still think it’s more than a little ironic that a man who lived in a glass house (“drug users should be put in jail”) would throw such a huge stone. Surely, a man of his intellect and knowledge of the world should have known better. I stand by all the shots that were taken after Rush’s revelation. One of Letterman’s funniest Top Ten Lists dealt with Limbaugh’s addiction.

Fast forward to today. In the last 2 weeks, I had 2 very painful throat surgeries. Although I never smoked in my life, there was an expansive cancerous growth on my epiglottis. I may never get my full voice back, but they tell me I’m cancer free. My best guess about the cause is all the second hand smoke I was exposed to as a child. Growing up in my house was like living in a tent in Western West Virginia. They’re all dead, so there’s no one left to sue.

The doctors gave me Oxycontin with Tylenol. The pain was so bad, I took it for 4 days, not constantly, just the times it felt like someone was working with a wood burning kit in my throat. I stopped 2 days ago. Immediately, I had all the symptoms of withdrawal; sweating, nausea and general malaise. I knew it would go away if I took another pill. I was so tempted, I almost did. However, although the pain is still substantial, I’m getting by with regular Tylenol.

In 4 days, I was literally addicted to Oxycontin. Here’s my takeaway. In an age of miracles, where we truly are The Jetsons, why can’t medical science come up with a non-addicting, effective pain killer? There were no words of warning from the doctor about the potential of addiction, just “take as needed.” I guess addiction is just one of those nasty side effects.

It’s kind of like when I spoke to the anesthesiologist. He spent 15 minutes telling me about the safety of the anesthesia. Then, as I was leaving his office, he said, “Now in isolated cases, this could cause blindness, paralysis, and death.” Yeah, I went under filled with confidence.

Not that he’ll ever read it, but I have sent a letter to Rush, not really apologizing, but expressing a first person understanding of what he must have been going through. I was virtually addicted in 4 days. In the course of several months, I can only imagine how dependent he must have become. I wasn’t ready to hit the streets to find more pills, but after a few more days, who knows?

I have decided to volunteer time and money to drug outreach centers in the area. This has been an eye opening experience. “There but for the grace of God...”

Don’t worry about the pills I had left. I sent them to Keith Richards.</blockquote>
I say to you - and you know who you are - where is all this liberal compassion I keep hearing about. Compassion reserved only for your friends isn't worth much.

Yes, conservatives come on here with their share of cheap shots about liberals, liberal policies, liberal philopsophy, liberal talk radio and liberal talk show hosts. But I also must say I don't recall the conservative hosts making jokes about shooting Clinton when he was in office. And I don't recall conservative posts making jokes about Randi's surgery last year.
 
> It's way too much.
>
> Somebody posts a conservative talk show host had a bike
> accident. A self-proclaimed "liberal" assumes it must be a
> lie (because those with whom he diagrees always lie) and
> makes joke.
>
> And those who disagree with Rush like to make jokes about
> his addiction to pain-killers, and question his sincerity
> when he changes his stance on drug penalties - dismissing
> the possibility that people's opinions change through life
> and people sometimes grow from their experiences in life.
>
> As an example, I offer this. It was posted by a
> nationally-know radio talk show host on a local board in a
> market in which he once worked. Personal references have
> been removed.
>
> Just say "oh, what the hell...okay."
> I have to apologize, somewhat, to Rush Limbaugh. When he
> announced that he was addicted to prescription pain killers,
> I immediately wrote and produced a song parody about it. ...
> I also used it on-the-air.
>
> I still think it’s more than a little ironic that a man who
> lived in a glass house (“drug users should be put in jail”)
> would throw such a huge stone. Surely, a man of his
> intellect and knowledge of the world should have known
> better. I stand by all the shots that were taken after
> Rush’s revelation. One of Letterman’s funniest Top Ten Lists
> dealt with Limbaugh’s addiction.
>
> Fast forward to today. In the last 2 weeks, I had 2 very
> painful throat surgeries. Although I never smoked in my
> life, there was an expansive cancerous growth on my
> epiglottis. I may never get my full voice back, but they
> tell me I’m cancer free. My best guess about the cause is
> all the second hand smoke I was exposed to as a child.
> Growing up in my house was like living in a tent in Western
> West Virginia. They’re all dead, so there’s no one left to
> sue.
>
> The doctors gave me Oxycontin with Tylenol. The pain was so
> bad, I took it for 4 days, not constantly, just the times it
> felt like someone was working with a wood burning kit in my
> throat. I stopped 2 days ago. Immediately, I had all the
> symptoms of withdrawal; sweating, nausea and general
> malaise. I knew it would go away if I took another pill. I
> was so tempted, I almost did. However, although the pain is
> still substantial, I’m getting by with regular Tylenol.
>
> In 4 days, I was literally addicted to Oxycontin. Here’s my
> takeaway. In an age of miracles, where we truly are The
> Jetsons, why can’t medical science come up with a
> non-addicting, effective pain killer? There were no words of
> warning from the doctor about the potential of addiction,
> just “take as needed.” I guess addiction is just one of
> those nasty side effects.
>
> It’s kind of like when I spoke to the anesthesiologist. He
> spent 15 minutes telling me about the safety of the
> anesthesia. Then, as I was leaving his office, he said, “Now
> in isolated cases, this could cause blindness, paralysis,
> and death.” Yeah, I went under filled with confidence.
>
> Not that he’ll ever read it, but I have sent a letter to
> Rush, not really apologizing, but expressing a first person
> understanding of what he must have been going through. I was
> virtually addicted in 4 days. In the course of several
> months, I can only imagine how dependent he must have
> become. I wasn’t ready to hit the streets to find more
> pills, but after a few more days, who knows?
>
> I have decided to volunteer time and money to drug outreach
> centers in the area. This has been an eye opening
> experience. “There but for the grace of God...”
>
> Don’t worry about the pills I had left. I sent them to Keith
> Richards.
> I say to you - and you know who you are - where is all this
> liberal compassion I keep hearing about. Compassion
> reserved only for your friends isn't worth much.
>
> Yes, conservatives come on here with their share of cheap
> shots about liberals, liberal policies, liberal philopsophy,
> liberal talk radio and liberal talk show hosts. But I also
> must say I don't recall the conservative hosts making jokes
> about shooting Clinton when he was in office. And I don't
> recall conservative posts making jokes about Randi's surgery
> last year.
>


Great post!

I too was on Oxycotin for a while. It works as described! When you come off of it, it is so easy to want to take another. But it does make life bearable for a while. It is easy to rip on others if you have never been there....trust me.

This board has gotten so out of hand. People GROW UP. I **THOUGHT** we were all adults here, but I guess that is not the case.

It is not funny, nor proper to make fun of someone when they get hurt. NO MATTER WHO THEY ARE! Politics are politics (yawn). Someones life is a totally different thing. If you have lost that aspect, perhaps a little self reflection is due.
 
It was touching that you chose to discuss your experiences with Oxycotin on this board. However, I am assuming that your use of this drug did not include:

1. Shopping for Doctors in order to receive multiple doses of Oxycotin that a single Doctor would not agree to.

2. Paying your housekeeper to purchase additional quantities of the drug on the streets of your home town.

3. Railing on this board or elsewhere that drug users should not be treated compassionately and should be locked away in prison.

> I too was on Oxycotin for a while. It works as described!
> When you come off of it, it is so easy to want to take
> another. But it does make life bearable for a while. It is
> easy to rip on others if you have never been there....trust
> me.
>
> This board has gotten so out of hand. People GROW UP. I
> **THOUGHT** we were all adults here, but I guess that is not
> the case.
>
> It is not funny, nor proper to make fun of someone when they
> get hurt. NO MATTER WHO THEY ARE! Politics are politics
> (yawn). Someones life is a totally different thing. If you
> have lost that aspect, perhaps a little self reflection is
> due.
>
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I don't recall the conservative hosts making jokes
> about shooting Clinton when he was in office. And I don't
> recall conservative posts making jokes about Randi's surgery
> last year.
>
And when I mentioned here that Laura Ingraham was battling breast cancer
there were a bunch of nasty posts about her. A moderator did step in.
Yup, be sure to show compassion to others in situations like that,
and put aside the political disagreements. (I also must admit that the
conservative messageboard Free Republic had some threads about the death
of libertarian host David Brudnoy of WBZ; there were some "serves him
right" comments, referring to his homosexuality. These posts were
quickly condemned by others on the board, especially pointing out
that Brudnoy was to be praised for his skill as a talk host and
his mostly conservative views. Most FReepers praised Brudnoy
and showed him sympathy during his deathbed days and afterward.)
 
Re: mwebster's Oprah Moment

> Somebody posts a conservative talk show host had a bike
> accident. A self-proclaimed "liberal" assumes it must be a
> lie (because those with whom he diagrees always lie) and
> makes joke.

He claims to have fallen off his bike and this was supposed to be a close call. Do we know it's true? We have to go on what he says. Considering he hypes and demagogues just about everything on his program, I'm not taking anything the man says as the gospel truth.

And let's take a few moments to review how much compassion this guy is worthy of considering his own compassion for others:

Savage "renamed" Brokeback Mountain "Bareback Mounting"
Thursday, January 19, 2006 7:26PM

Michael Savage weighs in on Terri Schiavo controversy: "Deathworshipper" Democrats are "[l]ike Mengele"

Tuesday, March 22, 2005 2:24PM
Savage on the tsunami: "I wouldn't call it a tragedy. ... We shouldn't be spending a nickel on this"

Wednesday, January 5, 2005 5:01PM
Savage on Madeleine Albright: "Thank God that hag will disappear"
Tuesday, November 9, 2004 1:53PM

"If Kerry wins": Michael Savage's crystal ball
Wednesday, September 29, 2004 2:16PM

Savage: Kerry has "committed sedition," "should be immediately shackled and arrested"
Wednesday, September 22, 2004 10:18AM

Savage called his anti-Clinton "hell was full" comment "on the level of Mark Twain" and "good political humor"
Tuesday, September 21, 2004 2:05PM

Michael Savage: "radical homosexuals" and "radical Islamists" are "one and the same"; FOX is the "best we have"
Wednesday, September 8, 2004 3:09PM

Savage: "Tell me the difference between those [left-wing] groups and Al Qaeda, in terms of what their intent is."
Thursday, August 19, 2004 4:07PM

Savage on Corsi's bigotry: "Is that racist? ... Is that offensive to you? ... I don't see a problem ...."
Thursday, August 12, 2004 10:28AM

Savage: "When you hear 'human rights,' think gays. ... [T]hink only one thing: someone who wants to rape your son"
Thursday, August 5, 2004 11:46AM

Savage: "I'm voting for Bush ... I'm a white, male, married heterosexual"; Dems are "a party of ethnic minorities and women and immigrants"
Friday, July 30, 2004 4:55PM

> And those who disagree with Rush like to make jokes about
> his addiction to pain-killers, and question his sincerity
> when he changes his stance on drug penalties - dismissing
> the possibility that people's opinions change through life
> and people sometimes grow from their experiences in life.

And here is mwebster's Oprah moment... the only problem with this entire thing is that he hasn't changed his stance on drug penalties. He -still- wants increased penalties on drug abusers, he still blames them for lack of personal responsibility and he's still whining about how liberals want treatment programs instead of jail for these kinds of offenses.

You seem to think that liberals are somehow pushovers for compassion, but you know what, part of receiving compassion is earning it. How much compassion should be granted to a man who condemns the people he calls "liberal" when they say drug abuse isn't solved by jail time alone. How much compassion when it's the ACLU that is coming to his defense, yet he still considers them in league with terrorists. How much compassion for a guy who won't plead guilty for making the help go out and buy his pills on street corners and parking lots, and help him obtain fraudulent prescriptions for medication. He's not running to her defense.

Mr. Take Personal Responsibility demands that of others, but not for himself. My side has nothing to apologize for when it comes to advocating for and assisting those who have a problem with prescription medication. My side isn't the one slashing health care and drug treatment programs.

If Rush Limbaugh wants to stand up and take responsibility for his own failings, he needs to do a lot more than a one day psuedo apology and then back to business as usual.

> In 4 days, I was literally addicted to Oxycontin. Here’s my
> takeaway. In an age of miracles, where we truly are The
> Jetsons, why can’t medical science come up with a
> non-addicting, effective pain killer? There were no words of
> warning from the doctor about the potential of addiction,
> just “take as needed.” I guess addiction is just one of
> those nasty side effects.

My mother has cancer and has to take Oxycontin. I've been on Vicodin and strong painkillers post surgery before. Both of us are very aware of the side effects and potential issues these medications can have. Maybe I'm just smarter than the average bear, but I kept a running log of what I took and when I took it, and stayed in close contact with my doctor regarding my prescription medication. We worked together to reduce my medication and then eventually eliminate it with no problems. My mother has been just as vigilant with her own pain medication. The key was being open and honest with your doctor, and mine have all been very open and honest about the impact of narcotic pain medication.

Did Mr. Limbaugh deserve his medication addiction? Of course not. Is it a moral weakness to get hooked on a prescription drug (or any other for that matter)? In my liberal world view, it never has been. In Rush's, and for many conservatives, it is a moral lapse. Does he need to take responsibility for doctor shopping and forcing his employees to score meds for him? You bet he does, and that starts with a guilty plea. But instead he seems to have moved on taking nothing from his own experiences. It's still the same moral preaching he's always delivered, but evidently doesn't need to follow himself.

> Yes, conservatives come on here with their share of cheap
> shots about liberals, liberal policies, liberal philopsophy,
> liberal talk radio and liberal talk show hosts. But I also
> must say I don't recall the conservative hosts making jokes
> about shooting Clinton when he was in office. And I don't
> recall conservative posts making jokes about Randi's surgery
> last year.

Are you serious? Which part of peddling videotapes of Clinton as a murderer was funny. How about Hillary's murder squad... Vince Foster, Ron Brown....

Randi Rhodes herself is a former drug user who reformed herself and stopped using back in the late 1980s. The first place I learned this was from conservative attack blogs who like to bring that up in-between the accusations she wanted the president dead.

Of course, Randi wasn't running her mouth on the air about how awful white collar drug users were and how they all needed to be locked up... blah blah. That was another talk show host.
 
> I too was on Oxycotin for a while. It works as described!
> When you come off of it, it is so easy to want to take
> another. But it does make life bearable for a while. It is
> easy to rip on others if you have never been there....trust
> me.

Well I have been there and my family has been there. It's very easy for me to rip on others who are complete hypocrites who demand one standard for themselves and a different standard for everyone else. That's the major distinction being made here. Don't fall for the false premise that the drug abuse is the issue - it's the fact that once again people who like to set some moral authority for others (and condemn those who don't live up) often get caught in their own lapses, and that is the issue with Rush.

As far as Savage goes, nobody wants the guy dead, but considering what he says on the air is dismissed as "an act" by people who get embarrassed when he goes too far or "a ratings grabbing routine" by those who think he's just playing radio for ratings, I'm not about to accept anything the man has to say as the gospel truth.
 
Re: mwebster's Oprah Moment

> > Somebody posts a conservative talk show host had a bike
> > accident. A self-proclaimed "liberal" assumes it must be
> a
> > lie (because those with whom he diagrees always lie) and
> > makes joke.
>
> He claims to have fallen off his bike and this was supposed
> to be a close call. Do we know it's true? We have to go on
> what he says. Considering he hypes and demagogues just
> about everything on his program, I'm not taking anything the
> man says as the gospel truth.
>
> And let's take a few moments to review how much compassion
> this guy is worthy of considering his own compassion for
> others:
>
who cares what he said, this board is getting waaay too mean..
 
> > I too was on Oxycotin for a while. It works as described!
>
> > When you come off of it, it is so easy to want to take
> > another. But it does make life bearable for a while. It
> is
> > easy to rip on others if you have never been
> there....trust
> > me.
>
> Well I have been there and my family has been there. It's
> very easy for me to rip on others who are complete
> hypocrites who demand one standard for themselves and a
> different standard for everyone else. That's the major
> distinction being made here. Don't fall for the false
> premise that the drug abuse is the issue - it's the fact
> that once again people who like to set some moral authority
> for others (and condemn those who don't live up) often get
> caught in their own lapses, and that is the issue with Rush.
>
>
> As far as Savage goes, nobody wants the guy dead, but
> considering what he says on the air is dismissed as "an act"
> by people who get embarrassed when he goes too far or "a
> ratings grabbing routine" by those who think he's just
> playing radio for ratings, I'm not about to accept anything
> the man has to say as the gospel truth.
>


Yes it is easy for you to rip on people. That was kind of my point.
 
Re: mwebster's Oprah Moment

> who cares what he said, this board is getting waaay too
> mean..

It's not that it's mean... it's that the talkradio pretexts for posting political diatribes here are getting thinner and thinner.

Salty Dog
 
Re: mwebster's Oprah Moment

> who cares what he said

Then you shouldn't care about what anyone said about anything.

The wind from the sails went out on that issue when reminded about the many Hallmark Moments of Michael Savage. Kinda hard to worry about the feelings of a guy who wished a gay caller to MSNBC would get AIDS and die.
 
Re: mwebster's Oprah Moment

> The wind from the sails went out on that issue when reminded
> about the many Hallmark Moments of Michael Savage. Kinda
> hard to worry about the feelings of a guy who wished a gay
> caller to MSNBC would get AIDS and die.

Anyone been tracking the caller to see whether Savage's wishes
are granted by some mystical power?
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Re: mwebster's Oprah Moment

> Anyone been tracking the caller to see whether Savage's
> wishes
> are granted by some mystical power?

Maybe MSNBC's lawyers, because Savage was shown the door after that magic moment in cable news.
 
> I say to you - and you know who you are - where is all this
> liberal compassion I keep hearing about.

Tucked under the same rock that 'compassionate conservatism' was hidden, perhaps?

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Re: mwebster's Oprah Moment

> Maybe MSNBC's lawyers, because Savage was shown the door
> after that magic moment in cable news.

What took you so long?

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