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An interesting take on terestrial vs internet radio.
- Thread starter Fieldtech1
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Kind of a similar POV to this guy:
http://variety.com/2013/music/news/radio-digs-its-own-grave-as-cultural-currents-shift-1200500285/
He says that internet radio is made by techies. Music taste isn't that scientific that it can be tracked by genomes and algorhythms.
And by the "human touch," we don't necessarily mean a human living in the same town. Any human will do. Any human is more than what they will encounter in internet radio.
http://variety.com/2013/music/news/radio-digs-its-own-grave-as-cultural-currents-shift-1200500285/
He says that internet radio is made by techies. Music taste isn't that scientific that it can be tracked by genomes and algorhythms.
And by the "human touch," we don't necessarily mean a human living in the same town. Any human will do. Any human is more than what they will encounter in internet radio.
We need to be more specific when using the term "Internet radio" because there is more than one type.
One is simply a retransmission of their OTA signal and the other is an original signal which does not have an OTA counterpart. It is only the second of these that the article addresses and, in fact, probably should not be called 'radio' at all since it does not use the normal radio spectrum. Since the Internet exists, at least initially, as a cable service perhaps we should just call it cablecasting.
One is simply a retransmission of their OTA signal and the other is an original signal which does not have an OTA counterpart. It is only the second of these that the article addresses and, in fact, probably should not be called 'radio' at all since it does not use the normal radio spectrum. Since the Internet exists, at least initially, as a cable service perhaps we should just call it cablecasting.
...And, as someone who works long and hard on his playlists, I take a bit of an offense at the idea that a human didn't have anything to do with what you hear... I'm human, and I most certainly DID have EVERYTHING to do with what you hear!
(I come from a 22 yr career in radio...)
Then again, I'm not Pandora, or iHeartRadio, or any of the other "build your own" stations... but at that point, isn't the listener the DJ too?
It's like saying someone's record collection is "inhuman."
(I come from a 22 yr career in radio...)
Then again, I'm not Pandora, or iHeartRadio, or any of the other "build your own" stations... but at that point, isn't the listener the DJ too?
It's like saying someone's record collection is "inhuman."
NightAire said:
It depends. Pandora says its Genome Project builds playlists based on algorhythms and other scientific information:
http://www.pandora.com/about/mgp
Yes, a human enters all that information into the computer, but the computer takes the information and devises a playlist.
NightAire said:
I hear what you are saying and somehow I want to take what you are saying (and doing) and help develop the concept until it is just dripping with humanity.
I don't know that many of todays listeners have experienced this, and if you and I offered it, today's listeners might turn up their collective noses and walk away. There are people who are music-centrist, and what you do will please some who share your musical taste very exquisitely!
But when some of us talk about the attributes of radio from days gone buy, here is OUR idea of humanity in the programming. 1957, 1958 I was on the air in the rice country of Eastern Arkansas. Darn decent little fulltime station for that era. And I had full freedom to play about anything I wanted to. And we had one of those very structured, very neatly organized record librarys (The in-style buzzwork of today is: It was a curated collection!) And if we were experience a drippy, soggy rainy day, I could run to the library and find a song by some pop-star of the day that included lyrics about a rainy day. And it was the style to not be gaudy about it... just a gentle hint that "here is a song that kind of fits the day doesn't it. (We assumed the listener was bright enough to make the connection without us screaming or beating them over the head with overly obvious hints.
Now, it has dawned on that part of my brain that makes we a niche player in the world of computer programming, that I today could wire up an automation machine that could automatically do a certain amount of that.... and it would work on LOCAL radio. And depending on the wiring of the brain of listeners, that kind of "cleverness" might build more listener loyalty than your finely crafted music collection.
But here is the catch: That won't work on the Internet very well. It may not be raining for my listener in Maine. When the wind is gusting where ever my automation machine is, it may NOT be a stormy day in Muleshoe, TX where one of my other five listeners is domiciled. Any my two listeners in New Zealand might respond on another day: "What the heck is this snow stuff the guy on the radio is talking and singing about?"
Trying to duplicate Internet Streaming on the radio, and simulcast radio on and Internet Stream makes life ever so complex.
Now, this is a German high holiday. Where did I file the accordion and oompah music by Whoopee John Wilfart any way? This would be a great time to play it.
I had the luxury of being able to do that a few years ago at a small AM station. Without promotions, we weren't able to build a big enough audience to stay on the air... but those who DID find us became FANATICAL.
I've struggled with this myself. The closest I've come (besides holidays) was after the Sandy Hook Elementary shootings. That seemed to affect most everyone across the U.S. and to a large degree around the world, that I went to a rotation of all of our slow / soft songs just for the next day. Many of my listeners complimented me on giving them some peace after dealing with the TV and radio non-stop coverage... and I felt I'd done the right thing.
Obviously, you hope there AREN'T many opportunities of those kinds... but it at least reflects that there are a handful of universal events (or at least national) which could lend themselves to clever programing.
IOW, I love your idea.
The Internet isn't radio any more than a newspaper is a website.
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Groove1670
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Yes. I love the stories of former morning show hosts, and talent who left broadcast radio and only to return because online is better.
At least for the next few years, the scan button on the car radio will continue to rule.
Most music is still discovered on broadcast radio. Talk and sports too.
One and the same..no. In the future maybe.
The average listener sill enjoys old fashioned radio.
I don't want to take the time to hook up my car charger, connect to my dashboard, and hope I have a connection, and eat up my data plan and don't need a custom playlist every time I crank the engine.
When I can connect to the old WWW.com easily (and that day will come) then I will consider it one and the same.
Broadcast radio will need to adjust to the times. Yes, it will do it kicking and screaming, change (online) will bring new ideas.
All the old dudes (myself included) will give way to new ideas.
Hmm. I actually bought an automation program for my home computer. I have acquired the jingles from the station I worked at in the mid 70s. I've made my own private station for home use, complete with jingles and v/o drop ins and a 7000 song library. But I can't listen in my car. I guess I am an anomaly.
musiconradio.com said:
Oh, chuckle, chuckle, chuckle.
You refer to yourself as "an old dude"... and you proclaim the values of MUSIC, selling MUSIC...
And then you wrap things up: "The average listener still enjoys old fashioned radio." We have a semantics problem in trying to have rational discussion on where radio has come from, how it got here, and then creating logic that: Thus radio must go.. go: - - -> HERE.
OLD FASHIONED RADIO is not music radio. Yes it included elements of music, segments of music. Old fashioned radio included comedy. included conversation. included news. included sports.
I don't think there is much reason to believe we will ever return to OLD FASHIONED RADIO. Those of us who are indeed dudes old enough to know what old fashioned radio was have to reason to expect that radio will or should return to old fashioned radio. But we do wish that in market with 30, 40 and 50 radio signals, we could at least have one station that "fed our habit".
RADIO as music can probably be described as radio of the 80s, 90s and the first decade of the 21st century. Now if you are a teenager or in your twenties, that means radio that does nothing but music is "old fashioned radio". If you are over 50, it means radio has become just a little bit useless, irritating and stale.
So tell us more about OLD FASHIONED RADIO... and if it could become radio of today, why that would be a good thing?
True. Internet radio is not terrestrial radio but it is, economically speaking, a substitute:ProducerGuy said:
Substitute: A product or service that satisfies the need of a consumer that another product or service fulfills. A substitute can be perfect or imperfect depending on whether the substitute completely or partially satisfies the consumer. A consumer might consider Pepsi to be a perfect substitute for Coke, or Land O'Lakes butter to be a perfect substitute for Kerrygold Irish Butter. However, if a consumer sees a difference in these brands, he may see Pepsi and Land O'Lakes as imperfect substitutes, even if economists might consider them perfect substitutes.
http://www.investopedia.com/terms/s/substitute.asp
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Groove1670
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This sentence was taken out of context. Old fashioned radio: A dial (analog or digital), antenna, volume knob etc.
Wouldn't want to be 20 again. I'm 47. Once again, everyone thinks that CC and Cumu are the end all and be all of radio.
I can find several examples of stations that do local news, community info, lost pets, funeral announcements, and talk over the intros of songs. Seek and you shall find.
Very few have figured a way to monetize internet radio. In the future you will have a OTA broadcast and a stream broadcast. The big ratings company has changed the rules to allow a stream (full simulcast) as part of the book. Ad insertion is a joke.
KeithE4 said:
Which is where they get their names. Radio is on the radio, and Internet broadcasting is on the Internet. Like I said, a webpage isn't a newspaper, and an orange isn't an apple.
True. Internet radio is not terrestrial radio but it is, economically speaking, a substitute:Salty Dog said:
Substitute: A product or service that satisfies the need of a consumer that another product or service fulfills. A substitute can be perfect or imperfect depending on whether the substitute completely or partially satisfies the consumer. A consumer might consider Pepsi to be a perfect substitute for Coke, or Land O'Lakes butter to be a perfect substitute for Kerrygold Irish Butter. However, if a consumer sees a difference in these brands, he may see Pepsi and Land O'Lakes as imperfect substitutes, even if economists might consider them perfect substitutes.
http://www.investopedia.com/terms/s/substitute.asp
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Yes, this much is true. An inferior substitute in many ways. Superior in a few. The main way, however, is that Internet broadcasting does not make money.
I'll leave it to others to offer opinions as to its inferiority or superiority. And I make no case for its economic viability. I reacted only to the attempt to dismiss is it as "not radio".ProducerGuy said:
There are still people pointlessly taking issue with Tim Westergren calling his service "Pandora Radio".
Pandora owns a radio station now, so I guess they get to use the word. But their core product is not radio.
That's literally true since radio is: "The transmission and reception of electromagnetic waves of radio frequency, esp. those carrying sound messages." It's a positioning tactic designed to anchor it in the mind with something familiar.ProducerGuy said:
I guess someone could go around demanding that everyone, and not just Westergren, stop saying "Internet radio" but that would just give the person a reputation for being an annoying pedant. What would the alternative be? Internet sound service?
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