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Anarchy on North Shadeland

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FreeJulieandSteve

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Not only are long time managers leaving or being sent out the door.....I hear 2 sales reps have left in the past couple of days. One of them is headed across town. North Shadeland was one of the best places to work in the broadcast industry just a couple of years ago.......... :eek:
 
FreeJulieandSteve said:
North Shadeland was one of the best places to work in the broadcast industry just a couple of years ago.......... :eek:
Glad I unloaded my Cumulus stock when I did. Another fine establishment has been trashed.
 
Wonder what the former owners are doing with all those millions these days. Do they still own the dinnerware company?
 
Cumulus is everything that people claim Clear Channel to be. Pure evil.
 
FreeJulieandSteve said:
Not only are long time managers leaving or being sent out the door.....I hear 2 sales reps have left in the past couple of days. One of them is headed across town. North Shadeland was one of the best places to work in the broadcast industry just a couple of years ago.

It wasn't as long as LSM Tim was there. Not qualified for the position.
 
Steppenwolf said:
FreeJulieandSteve said:
Not only are long time managers leaving or being sent out the door.....I hear 2 sales reps have left in the past couple of days. One of them is headed across town. North Shadeland was one of the best places to work in the broadcast industry just a couple of years ago.

It wasn't as long as LSM Tim was there. Not qualified for the position.
Working as the weekend overnight board op hardly qualifies you to judge other broadcasters.
 
So...

Who has been let go or quit, all told?

I'm seeing a lot of vitriol and very little information in these two Cumulus/Indy threads.
 
Johnston, Burns, Medlin, Skodjt, Parsons, Kovacs, the new Director of sales (wasn't their long enough to learn his name), Todd (the old director of sales), Coons...there is 9 from sales just off the top of my head in the past few months. Anyone care to add?
 
Yep, it looks like Nikki Wills is heading over to WHHH to take a GSM job.
 
Could all this anarchy just be the calm before the storm? Stay tuned.
 
Looks like we have had 2 sales reps leave North Shadeland for Monument Circle in the last 2 weeks.

and so on and so on and so on. :D
 
There's one aspect of this situation that everyone seems to be missing here; Where's Charlie Morgan while the staff is being torn apart at the seams?

It's the Market Manager's responsibility to buffer his staff from Corporate, passing on to the staff only what's constructive, and keeping most of the sh-- from rolling downhill. Instead, he's apparently letting corporate run amock to completely alienate and drive out a successful staff. Seems like this Market Manager is standing clear out of the way, perhaps to protect his own hide.

As more employees who contributed to the success of the organization leave [whether fired or otherwise], it's increasing unlikely these stations will be able to continue successfully. I believe in the end there'll probably be at least one bullet left in Cumulus' gun [figuratively speaking, of course] for Mr. Bulletproof himself.
 
mouseman said:
...Where's Charlie Morgan while the staff is being torn apart at the seams?

It's the Market Manager's responsibility...

Seems like this Market Manager is standing clear out of the way, perhaps to protect his own hide.

...for Mr. Bulletproof himself.

I have no idea who you are or what cesspool whence you came.

However, I have learned two things about you:

1. You have never been a Market Manager [or likely a manager of any kind].

2. Clearly, you have NEVER met Charlie Morgan.

I'll not waste my time defending him to a snarky sourpuss of your ilk -- you wouldn't get it anyway -- but practically everyone who has worked for him would be willing`` to do so.
 
You haven't learned a thing N_D; you're wrong on all three points you've made. I'm not sure just what kind of judge of character that makes you.
 
N_D_Radioguy,
On second thought, your opinion posted on this subject does have some merit, but for reasons different than slamming on me.
Only current employees can know exactly what's going on at Cumulus. Anyone else's opinion [yours, mine] is just that, opinion. That's usually all that's posted at this site anyway, just opinions by folks on the outside of situations looking in. Yet, while this rash of turnover continues to reflect badly on the stations, it's anyone's guess how it's all coming unglued if we're on the outside looking in. Charlie Morgan and any remaining management probably deserve the benefit of the doubt. So, let's both set our initial opinions aside and simply wish everyone on N. Shadeland good luck facing these challenging circumstances.
It would be interesting to hear from anyone currently there, if only to get a first hand perspective on what it's like to go through a corporate takeover like this.
 
Mouseman;

The cultural difference between the old Susquehanna and Cumulus is immense. I cannot think of a worse paring of management and employees than you have between Cumulus Corporate and former Susquehanna employess. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Cumulus is a "bad" company, just completely different than Susquehanna.

Cumulus is the definition of a top down company; all decisions come out of Atlanta. Susquehanna was the epitome of an employee run company; guidance came from corporate but local managers ran their radio stations. For example, Susquehanna allowed Charlie and gang to launch a commercial Christian music station because they trusted them to know the market. Do you think anyone on Shadeland Ave would have dumped The Song for syndicated talk? Not a chance.

When you see people leaving Shadeland Avenue, it's not a reflection on Charlie or any of the other local managers. I wouldn't even say it's a reflection on Cumulus. It's the result of employees discovering that the new company isn't a good career match for them. Charlie can't nor should he try to "protect them" from that reality.
 
mouseman said:
It's the Market Manager's responsibility to buffer his staff from Corporate, passing on to the staff only what's constructive, and keeping most of the sh-- from rolling downhill. Instead, he's apparently letting corporate run amock to completely alienate and drive out a successful staff. Seems like this Market Manager is standing clear out of the way, perhaps to protect his own hide.

I agree this is a ridiculous statement by anyone claiming to have been in management.

You stand in the way of a steamroller, you get crushed. There's great morality in standing up for your staff, but it doesn't pay your mortgage. Charlie's been in this town a long time, I imagine he does want to "save his own hide." Quit on principle? Please, it's the same with every corporate station.
 
Obviously, Stvnsgall, you've never been in a management position in a corporate environment, or you would know that this is indeed the responsibility of local management; pass along what's important for the staff to know from corporate and absorb the crap.

The more you as management let the corporate sh-- roll downhill, instead of shielding your staff, the more you see exactly what's going on at North Shadeland now; staff demoralized, productivity affected, and ultimately high turnover which cripples the operation even more.

It's not a question of being a martyr; it's the job. And, it's also why it's the highest paid position in a market. The buck [or corporate crap] stops here, at the GM desk. The fact that the corporate cultures have changed [from Susquehanna to Cumulus] puts this GM in a position I would never want to experience; I'm sure it sucks. But the fact is the job, and the responsibility, is still his. Maybe, in this set of circumstances, it's almost impossible to keep corporate off everyone's backs. Maybe he's tried, but hasn't been successful [at least successful enough to stave off corp. corruption of the staff]. I'm sure he's doing the best he can given the hand he's been dealt. Like I said, I don't want to be in his shoes.

What ridiculous is to express an opinion on something you have no experience with.
 
mouseman said:
Obviously, Stvnsgall, you've never been in a management position in a corporate environment, or you would know that this is indeed the responsibility of local management; pass along what's important for the staff to know from corporate and absorb the crap.

The more you as management let the corporate sh-- roll downhill, instead of shielding your staff, the more you see exactly what's going on at North Shadeland now; staff demoralized, productivity affected, and ultimately high turnover which cripples the operation even more.

It's not a question of being a martyr; it's the job. And, it's also why it's the highest paid position in a market. The buck [or corporate crap] stops here, at the GM desk. The fact that the corporate cultures have changed [from Susquehanna to Cumulus] puts this GM in a position I would never want to experience; I'm sure it sucks. But the fact is the job, and the responsibility, is still his. Maybe, in this set of circumstances, it's almost impossible to keep corporate off everyone's backs. Maybe he's tried, but hasn't been successful [at least successful enough to stave off corp. corruption of the staff]. I'm sure he's doing the best he can given the hand he's been dealt. Like I said, I don't want to be in his shoes.

What ridiculous is to express an opinion on something you have no experience with.

Explain your theory. You've repeated yourself twice. What is Charlie suppose to do when corporate starts cutting staff? Please offer more than "shield the staff." How does he shield that? Put his chest out to corporate and say "No you don't!?" If corporate "yes you do!" You as a manager have a choice to quit, or continue to try to get the right people. It's never fair, but it is radio, as you would know if you've been on the upper level. Maybe these employees should have been cut, maybe not. You admit you weren't on the inside, so how do you know if he did/did not shield his staff?

A GM's job is to make sure his staff works and does it's job for the best interest of the company - the people signing his checks. If the staff does not meet corporate standards, regardless of how good/bad those standards and expectations are, the GM must find someone else who either does the job, or at least can do the job despite facing unrealistic corporate expectations, or quit.

Bottom line, while the GM may hire, fire and manage, if corporate sends someone in from Atlanta to send workers packing, you either make a stand and quit as the GM, or you work with what they give you, if you wish to keep your job.

The staff works for the company, not the manager. The manager represents the company. Both manager and staff are employees of the company. While the manager may do the hiring, he is not a mother hen. He was not hired by the company to protect his staff, he was hired to make his staff produce. Employees are expected to be adult enough to perform their jobs. If they don't agree with corporate, or if corporate is run by idiots, quit.

Evidently, Charlie disagrees with your assessment of his responsibilities, otherwise, he'd be gone. And we both can argue which of us has been in management (which I think will be obvious to others reading this thread) but one thing we can agree on is that Charlie IS a manager, a good manager, and I'd tend to think he has a handle on what a manager's role is, regardless of how heartless, cold and ignorant corporate may or may not be.
 
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