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...and now for something completely different... 1610-1710 AM

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kirkiefan

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Noticed a few things about the expanded AM band while checking radio-locator.com:

There are no new stations in Ohio(Cincy and Dayton included)which aren't using these available frequencies...There's one in Indiana,one in Chicago(the former Real Oldies WRLL) and one in MD(I think)which airs Radio Disney. Many of these are 10kw day/1kw night..Surprisingly I can pull in the former WRLL(now WVON) quite well although they supposedly operate only with 1kw.
This can open up opporitunites for hometown broadcasters in Ohio to get on the air when they couldn't on previous attempts.

How about some feedback here
 
SO kirkiefan, As Archie Bunker once said, "The woild is yer erster!"

Why not pay a few grand, hire a consulting engineer (there are a few Buckeyes) and see what you can find. Then get an FCC Attorney
and (if you are lucky) join the club.

WRLL (now wvon) has a great signal in Michigan at night. Here we can also get Iowa on 1620 and in Grand Rapids (MI) there is Disney on 1680 with a several state reach.

I put our 24/7 part 15 (fcc certified) church station on 1610. There are also stations from South Bend (IN) and Kalamazoo (MI) on the band.

O, but first figure out what you'll use for money. Wish you the Best!
 
The expanded band was supposed to be a spot for existing stations to migrate to and reduce interference. I don't think any new allocations were made, although I guess now some of the existing stations haven't been required to shut down after all. Guess they figure it looks silly to try and clear interference when allowing IBOC to create even more.
 
Looking back now, I think that it would've been better to adopt the 9 kilohertz intervals that the rest of the world uses for the AM band. This would result in 119 channels available as opposed to 117 with the 10 kilohertz expanded band. Under such a scenario, the additional twelve channels would become 'regional' where class 'B' and 'D' stations could be allocated Moreover, I'd be in favor of reinstating the standards for clear channels that prevailed before 1980 under such a plan (but low-powered nighttime operations could continue on 'regional' channels). I think it was a bad idea to 'break down the clears'.
 
Dick Plessinger told me, before he died in December, the FCC would not accept any new applications in the expanded band. Also, several pending applications have been pending for years.
 
9 kHz separation was talked about in the 80s (a guy named Ray Livesay, owner of WERT in Van Wert was the spearhead of the effort with the Daytime Broadcasters Association). The idea was that all the daytime-only stations would migrate to newly opened "graveyard" channels for full time authorization. The idea went nowhere. It may have been a good plan.
 
The fact that you can frequently hear 1000 watt radio stations on these frequencies is a vivid illustration of why lack of interference is critical on the AM bands, both in the fact that you can hear a station a long way if it has 1000 watts but little interference... and in the fact that that little 1000 watts would be enough to cause easily noticeable interference to another station on the frequency.

The TOTAL amount of nighttime power on 1650 AM is 6,340 watts, split among 7 stations in the US and Canada. By contrast, the total wattage on 1360 at night is about 56,000 watts, spread around about 40 stations, and on 1230 it's over 150,000 watts, spread over about 160 stations. Additional stations at night is one reason that some 5000 watt stations that were huge in the old days now sound like they have really crappy nighttime signals. It explains why you can be in Covington and occasionally hear country music under 1360's syndicated talk shows.

Most of the 1610-1700 band stations run 10,000 days, 1000 nights, with fewer than ten on each frequency, because the original idea was to avoid the mistakes made on the rest of the band. Unfortunately, on those frequencies that's not enough power for decent local coverage, especially at night, although the lack of interference is a big plus. I would be shocked if even five of these stations show up in the ratings anywhere in the U.S.. I see that the station on 1660 in New York has been given 10,000 watts at night, which will help that station but tend to kill off the smaller market stations on the same frequency.

Virtually every move the government's made since the early 60's has been done for the ostensible purpose of making AM more profitable, and virtually every move has resulted in more interference, likely hastening the band's demise.

One idea that would work would be to expand the FM band (using any modulation scheme you prefer) into space abandoned when TV stations drop their analog broadcasts, and put lower power AM's there, leaving only a relative handful of high-powered and regional AM stations, and letting those stations improve their signals. If anyone was able to get this proposal on the table (you can expect special interests, i.e. FM broadcasters who don't want more competition to fight that all way), history makes me fear the the FCC would allow the move, but then renege on clearing out the interfering stations. (This is exactly what happened with the extended band.)

Ironically, though there's no extended band broadcaster anywhere near here, this area is home to the test station for AM digital, which operates daytimes at 1650, behind an office building off Route 4 in Fairfield.
 
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