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And The Stiffs Just Keep On Comin'

"While on the subject of celebrity offspring, here's Soupy Sales' two sons on NBC's "Hullabaloo" in 1966. Really, REALLY BADDDDDD..."

But they grew up to be part of David Bowie's band...
 
New Year's Eve 1971, I was listening to Debaser counting down KB's Top 100 of the year. As he explained how the countdown was tabulated by assigning points based on the K-Big weekly survey, I decided I'd keep track the following year, and next New Year's Eve, see if my countdown would match his.

Adding to the challenge was my living 300 miles away in Southern Vermont. When the weather got warmer and the days longer, it naturally became a little more difficult to catch the current "Capsule Countdown". One week in June I did miss...so I wrote to Debaser and explained what I was doing. A couple weeks later, his personal secretary had written back with the actual in-studio playlist for that missing week enclosed.

The following New Year's Eve, the countdown ran eight hours...filled with artist interviews and other trivia (I assume it was one of those "Opus" packages that you customized for your station)...and my tabulations were, for the most part, spot-on. But as the top 10 unfolded, it all began to unravel...as my #1 song, "Alone Again Naturally", came in at #2 or #3 (I don't remember)..."American Pie" had a 9-week run at the top of the weekly survey but the first couple of those weeks were in 1971...so how could it be the number one song of 1972?

I picked up the phone...1-716-644-9850...and after a couple rings, there was Debaser. And as I explained how I'd tracked the Top 10 every week for the past year...he noted to me that the countdown also had some of Billboard's results mixed in...and that the real #1 song of the year was "The First Time Ever I Saw Your Face...but that just wasn't palatable."

At the tender age of 15...here my first exposure to the behind-the-scenes theater that later in my own career would characterize thousands of Top 8@8's, weekly playlists and year-end countdowns. A theater that only ended recently with the advent of Vortal and WordPress apps for tracking actual votes.

"Hope you enjoyed it" was how DB finished the conversation. I answered that I'd very much enjoyed it and we said our goodbyes. And a few months later...my radio career began at a tiny 1000-watter MOR in my little town in Vermont.

A half-dozen years ago, a good friend here in Pittsburgh began corresponding via email with Jack Armstrong, then back on 'KB via voice-track from North Carolina. I wanted to email him and thank him for his profound influence, but I never did...besides, I'd left radio to "go make real money" as co-owner of an advertising agency. That lasted a little over three years...and as I sold my interests in the agency and came back to radio...no richer but MUCH wiser...it wasn't long after, that Armstrong died. And I regretted not shooting him that email back when I had the chance. (Hope daughter Devon finishes his unfinished "Rock Jocks" book!)

Radnowski, this thread you started...which I learned about via Sean Ross...gave me opportunity to at least swap posts with a couple...maybe more (I don't know the real names behind all the handles. Does Sandy Beach, for example, post here?)..of those teenage heroes.

So thanks.
 
First off, thanks Chas! Your writing brings back so many memories...like my "personal secretary." Do you still have that note? I'd love to try to figure out who wrote it (unless, as music director, I asked Jeff Kaye's secretary, "Straps", to answer your letter).

As for the anecdote about Roberta Flack, I don't remember that phone call, or the fact that the song was#1 but not played as such, but it sounds like something Jeff would have done, since "old school" thinking often prevented down tempo songs from ending up at the top. The same old school thinking that prevented many radio stations from allowing female vocalists to be played back to back, btw.

As for Sandy (and Danny and Joey for that matter)...I'm pretty sure they don't post on this (or any other) board. I've sent them links occasionally and they have never indicated that they even read the board.
 
Thanks for the kind words Debaser.

I'm a pack rat when it comes to radio memorabilia and the best stuff has been saved in a tin breadbox...however, having just searched it again and finding old surveys, stickers and other personal effects, that note isn't there. I'm guessing it was with some old cassettes and other stuff that stayed at my parents' farmhouse in Vermont when I moved to Pittsburgh in 1975. Not long after, the parents moved from the farmhouse into a mobile home and anything "non-essential" (in Mom & Dad's opinion of course!) was tossed. I'm sure if I could find it, I'd also find the 3-page response Jim Pastrick sent me to a 3-page letter I'd sent him back in 1973.

So yes, the memories are still that vivid.

Interesting, learning the back-stories of Jeff Kaye's methods now. I can't imagine doing Top 40...or any current format...today and trying to avoid two females back-to-back. (However seven years ago when the Dixie Chicks self-destructed and Country was scrambling to find "A"-list females to play, we had no choice!) But I used to schedule music that way, or in a card system, play it that way. I'd escaped the "no slow songs at the top of the countdown" mentality. Of course given the success of "The Way We Were" or "You Light Up My Life" on many year-end surveys back then...I imagine that one went down a long time ago.
 
chas108 said:
Thanks for the kind words Debaser. I'm a pack rat when it comes to radio memorabilia and the best stuff has been saved in a tin breadbox...however, having just searched it again and finding old surveys, stickers and other personal effects, that note isn't there.... I'm sure if I could find it, I'd also find the 3-page response Jim Pastrick sent me to a 3-page letter I'd sent him back in 1973.
Oh sh~t... Busted! :eek: I can only imagine. Three pages. Sweet Jeebus. If I'm lucky, your mom and dad tossed that one.

Now back to the countdown. Anybody offer up Fabulous Rhinestones, "What A Wonderful thing We Have?"
 
I echo what Chas said about this thread and KB memories. I too have some KB material from back in the 70s and lots of found countdown memories. Though I don't have a note from an "A-list" celebrity like Mr. Berns (with an e) I do have a letter from Hank Nevins, (you can decide what list he's on ;) ) Though this thread may be winding down I too thank Radnowski for his Saturday night adult beverage inspired beginning. Back to a stiff, how about the Raspberries "Let's Pretend".
 
JimPastrick said:
chas108 said:
Thanks for the kind words Debaser. I'm a pack rat when it comes to radio memorabilia and the best stuff has been saved in a tin breadbox...however, having just searched it again and finding old surveys, stickers and other personal effects, that note isn't there.... I'm sure if I could find it, I'd also find the 3-page response Jim Pastrick sent me to a 3-page letter I'd sent him back in 1973.
Oh sh~t... Busted! :eek: I can only imagine. Three pages. Sweet Jeebus. If I'm lucky, your mom and dad tossed that one.

Now back to the countdown. Anybody offer up Fabulous Rhinestones, "What A Wonderful thing We Have?"

Yes Jim, three pages on 'KB letterhead, all in caps too.

You, like Berns w/an "e", contributed to my descent into radio, although by the time we corresponded, I'd already been fired from first on-air job. It'd be almost a year before I had my second, and a few more years of doing other stuff before entering the business full time.

While on the subject of the Raspberries...there's "Tonight" (fourth of the four "Horny Singles"...their term)
 
Before things get out of hand and resemble a wake, I only ran the first lap of the marathon before handing off the baton. The dozens of posters made this thread the success (or mess :D ) that it's become. Still, thanks for the good word. Truthfully, I'm tapped out. Maybe another Pabst Blue Ribbon.
 
Now back to the stiffs...

By the fall of 1977, KB as programmed by Sandy Beach dayparted some of its currents. While we were playing a majority of them in all hours (and those were on blue-label cartridges, IIRC), there were a few that were too hard-rock to be playable before at least 5 pm--those songs were put in the rack on red-label cartridges so no one would mistake them for general-rotation songs. One that I remember placing at or near the top of the request list night after night but never broke into the top 20 regardless of sales or requests was Kiss' "Christine Sixteen." There was no way it was going to rise to the top of the list given the controversial content...though it stayed in Jay Fredericks' nighttime rotation for most of the fall, and I think George Hamberger snuck in a play or two in the last (6-7 pm) hour of his show every once in a while.
 
By the fall of 1977, KB as programmed by Sandy Beach dayparted some of its currents. While we were playing a majority of them in all hours (and those were on blue-label cartridges, IIRC), there were a few that were too hard-rock to be playable before at least 5 pm--those songs were put in the rack on red-label cartridges so no one would mistake them for general-rotation songs. One that I remember placing at or near the top of the request list night after night but never broke into the top 20 regardless of sales or requests was Kiss' "Christine Sixteen." There was no way it was going to rise to the top of the list given the controversial content...though it stayed in Jay Fredericks' nighttime rotation for most of the fall, and I think George Hamberger snuck in a play or two in the last (6-7 pm) hour of his show every once in a while.
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Maybe another Pabst Blue Ribbon

Well Hello!....the things that made radio great (dayparting!!)...in the Heyday of course...

Don't we miss it? :(
That's all
 
I know, I know, just let it go. However, it just doesn't seem right that "stiffs" isn't on page 1. So, after listening to a KC & the Sunshine Band hit just now I give you a genuine stiff- "I Like To Do It". Besides, the fact that Big A has left this thread alone is reason enough to keep it going. ;) :D ;D
 
I just showed this thread to an old friend who posts/reads the Boston/Providence thread.Once he plows through our 7,000 pages (if I told you once, I told you a million times not to exaggerate!) he may have some more stiffs to add, which will keep us on the first page for a while longer.
Mwah ha ha...it's a conspiracy!
 
Some of that Music Library, along with a lot of WHAM's holdings from the 1920’s – 1970’s were tossed into huge plastic garbage barrels at the 350 East Avenue address, not too long after Rust sold to LGL. Priceless chronicles of not only these stations, but the industry itself, etched on 78’s, 45’s and tapes along with logs and other desirable ephemera were relegated to the ash heap under the supervision of then GM Jack Murphy by his trusty janitor Bob. Those who asked were allowed to rescue some of the treasure. Murphy didn’t care how it went as long as it was gone so they could begin remodeling and lay waste to the “Catholic School Green” paint that hung like algae to the cinder block walls. They could have opened a museum with all the items that were tossed. Most of the managers of that group, never saw the value of anything or anyone...
 
relegated to the ash heap under the supervision of then GM Jack Murphy by his trusty janitor Bob

Dang...I had forgotten about Janitor Bob!!

Axel, I take it you didn't see the compassionate side of Murph! :D Actually, you could love him or hate him (usually at the same time)...but he would tell you he didn't care either way!! (I understand he's schmoozing in Florida these days...many miles from East Ave!! ) We all have our remembrances!
 
Sorry, couldn't resist, like a bad penny that keeps coming back and thoroughly fitting of the occasion, I submit for your consideration, "Something's Wrong With Me" -Austin Roberts
 
Radknowski said:
Sorry, couldn't resist, like a bad penny that keeps coming back and thoroughly fitting of the occasion, I submit for your consideration, "Something's Wrong With Me" -Austin Roberts

That was almost a Top Ten...so maybe it should go on the "Hits That Don't Get Played Anymore" thread...

alright...alright...I'll go quietly after posting this Helen Reddy stiff that became a hit for Barry Manilow: "Somewhere In The Night".
 
I don't have the time to go through this entire thread...

Has anyone mentioned Brandy by Richard (?) English...the original version of "Mandy," btw.
 
Debaser said:
I don't have the time to go through this entire thread...

Has anyone mentioned Brandy by Richard (?) English...the original version of "Mandy," btw.

Scott English...you added it Winter '72, and yes it's already been mentioned.
 


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