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And The Stiffs Just Keep On Comin'
- Thread starter Radknowski
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I had to crack open my long-dormant copy of Goldmine's "Standard Catalog of American Records"... and "Commercial"'s not listed as ever having been released as a 45.
But looking at some that were...like "When I Wanna" on Epic in '75. Now THAT's stiff!!! I also didn't know Spanky'd released a version (I assume it's the same song as Harry Nilsson, it was in 1969) of "Everybody's Talkin'".
But looking at some that were...like "When I Wanna" on Epic in '75. Now THAT's stiff!!! I also didn't know Spanky'd released a version (I assume it's the same song as Harry Nilsson, it was in 1969) of "Everybody's Talkin'".
Long as I'm logged on, DB, how about a stiff from Nilsson that I enjoyed hearing you play middays on KB (and the Lenny Zukemeister Broadcasting Network) that being "Me and My Arrow" from The Point LP. Who knew back in the day, that Ol' Harry would have come up with the names of two formats in one album. Dude was way ahead of his time. 
It's more likely in current Country...Garth Brooks, Toby Keith, Martina McBride are examples.
I just pulled out Billy Joel's Greatest Hits from '85, the one with all the awful radio edits, and know "The Stranger" was never a single. However it was a huge album cut, played by some Top 40's w/cojones.
Then again, "single" has been an industry construct more than an actual publicly-used currency since the 70's. At least in Spanky's time there was no ambiguity.
Yesterday I finished helping a family friend, a music teacher, complete a "History of Rock & Roll" outline. A good two-year process...I hope somebody somewhere's got a written record on Billboard's Hot 100 evolution from the 70's to today. Compare/contrast the Pop 100/Hot 100/Airplay Monitor Charts with the now-defunct R&R Charts...I have some idea of how it all went down but would love to see it in print from a true expert, not just a radio junkie like me...
'Cuz after all, I just gotta know what the hits...AND stiffs are!
I just pulled out Billy Joel's Greatest Hits from '85, the one with all the awful radio edits, and know "The Stranger" was never a single. However it was a huge album cut, played by some Top 40's w/cojones.
Then again, "single" has been an industry construct more than an actual publicly-used currency since the 70's. At least in Spanky's time there was no ambiguity.
Yesterday I finished helping a family friend, a music teacher, complete a "History of Rock & Roll" outline. A good two-year process...I hope somebody somewhere's got a written record on Billboard's Hot 100 evolution from the 70's to today. Compare/contrast the Pop 100/Hot 100/Airplay Monitor Charts with the now-defunct R&R Charts...I have some idea of how it all went down but would love to see it in print from a true expert, not just a radio junkie like me...
'Cuz after all, I just gotta know what the hits...AND stiffs are!
chas108 said:
You going to share with us when it is done?
It's done...but I want to get the teacher's blessing before making its contents public. I don't know why it should be an issue, just want to make sure.
I will tell you portions dealing with the late 50's-1972 were inspired by Debaser's interpretation of American Pie, which (IIRC) was based on WCFL/Chicago Bob Dearborn's "definitive" interpretation. I had DB's on cassette looong ago as a teenager and wish I could get my hands on a copy today. I finally heard Dearborn's original just a couple years ago but thought DB's (as I remember it) was more precise.
Anyway it's only fitting at this point to list a Don McLean stiff: "Castles In The Air", the 1981 version of his '72 original.
I will tell you portions dealing with the late 50's-1972 were inspired by Debaser's interpretation of American Pie, which (IIRC) was based on WCFL/Chicago Bob Dearborn's "definitive" interpretation. I had DB's on cassette looong ago as a teenager and wish I could get my hands on a copy today. I finally heard Dearborn's original just a couple years ago but thought DB's (as I remember it) was more precise.
Anyway it's only fitting at this point to list a Don McLean stiff: "Castles In The Air", the 1981 version of his '72 original.
JimPastrick said:Long as I'm logged on, DB, how about a stiff from Nilsson that I enjoyed hearing you play middays on KB (and the Lenny Zukemeister Broadcasting Network) that being "Me and My Arrow" from The Point LP. Who knew back in the day, that Ol' Harry would have come up with the names of two formats in one album. Dude was way ahead of his time.
Borrowing from the "arrow" theme how about Paul McCartney's "Arrow Through Me"? I don't have my billboard book in front of me and I'm ready for the "Stiffs Police" to call me out on this one
but I don't think it was top 10.
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Broken Arrow - Buffalo Springfield??
JimPastrick said:Long as I'm logged on, DB, how about a stiff from Nilsson that I enjoyed hearing you play middays on KB (and the Lenny Zukemeister Broadcasting Network) that being "Me and My Arrow" from The Point LP. Who knew back in the day, that Ol' Harry would have come up with the names of two formats in one album. Dude was way ahead of his time.
Ah, the ravages of age have even gotten to you, my friend. It was Lenny Weinrib and The Zuckmeister Broadcasting Network.
Did you know that Bob Segarini (The Iceman on Q107 from yesteryear) was in several bands, but most notably for me, he was Harry Nilsson's bass player on Pandemonium Shadow Show and Aerial Ballet (2 of my favourite LPs of all time)?
chas108 said:
Thanks, Chas. Interestingly enough, some time in the past 10 years or so I read an interpretation of the song that makes mine very rudimentary. You can probably find it on line somewhere; it's thoroughness is truly impressive.
BTW-Mine came from my dear friend Bob Lewis (Bob A Loo) who at the time was either at WNEW FM or WABC fm in NY; it was the interpretation they were using.
Bob "Bob A Loo" Lewis...I'll have to Google him. Could've sworn it was Dearborn. The ravages of age are getting to me, too...
And as soon as I get an ok from the teacher I assisted in doing the outline, I'll post it on my production company's website.
I take it you don't have an aircheck of your interpretation anymore? At the very least, that one was special 'cuz that was the one I heard first as a teenager. But it seems like every time I researched the eras and events, no matter the source, it showed your (or Bob A Loo's) interpretation was dead accurate.
And now, from '83...Jim Capaldi "Livin' On The Edge". A REALLLL stiff!
And as soon as I get an ok from the teacher I assisted in doing the outline, I'll post it on my production company's website.
I take it you don't have an aircheck of your interpretation anymore? At the very least, that one was special 'cuz that was the one I heard first as a teenager. But it seems like every time I researched the eras and events, no matter the source, it showed your (or Bob A Loo's) interpretation was dead accurate.
And now, from '83...Jim Capaldi "Livin' On The Edge". A REALLLL stiff!
Speaking of the late Jim Capaldi, I liked his version of "Love Hurts" better than Nazareth's...
I vaguely remember a certain AM station in Utica that played the Capaldi version. Future gold. Didn't happen. But a good song. On Island Records, if I remember correctly. Then again, I could be having another Lenny Weinrib Moment.SirRoxalot said:
Let me submit for your consideration an MTV Big 80s Video (for reasons clearly evident) "Words" from Missing Persons which peaked at #42. We played the LP at 97 Rock during the New Rock phase that pissed off every AC~DC, Ted Nugent fan in Buffalo. BTW, somebody might wanna tell Lady GaGa that Dale Bozio has been there and done that.
Dale Bozzio...as I get older I get her and Terri Nunn (Berlin) mixed up. I played "Words" (and its follow-up Destination Unknown) at WKFM/Fulton-Syracuse, back in the fall of '82.
About that time, the PD put in some Marianne Faithfull title for a few weeks. In heavy rotation, no less. IIRC, we added it because the GM's kid liked it! I can't even remember the title, just that it was soooooo stiff and didn't fit the format. Oh yeah, and it was on Island Records.
As far as Lady GaGa goes...I'm still trying to comprehend how she, Katy Perry, Black Eyed Peas and Kings Of Leon have all crossed over past Hot AC to Mainstream AC. I don't think the three formats have been that close together since 1990.
Never knew Jim Capaldi did a version of "Love Hurts"...
About that time, the PD put in some Marianne Faithfull title for a few weeks. In heavy rotation, no less. IIRC, we added it because the GM's kid liked it! I can't even remember the title, just that it was soooooo stiff and didn't fit the format. Oh yeah, and it was on Island Records.
As far as Lady GaGa goes...I'm still trying to comprehend how she, Katy Perry, Black Eyed Peas and Kings Of Leon have all crossed over past Hot AC to Mainstream AC. I don't think the three formats have been that close together since 1990.
Never knew Jim Capaldi did a version of "Love Hurts"...