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Angry Guys are Back - and Alone
- Thread starter nicomp
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Give them until their contracts run out and then see if they're around. Breaking contracts is expensive, and unless there's a buyout clause in them, they have to be paid out in full. If that's the case, and I think it is here, why not use what you're paying for instead of paying them for not doing anything?
Just a dreadful show for an Active Rock station. It's the same show as when they were on HOMER. I thought they would de-emphasize sports and do general "guy-talk" with some sports thrown in. 50-year-old pissed off Buckeye fans jabbering on for 10 minutes about next year's recruiting class isn't what the AR radio listeners want to hear. There are no bits or routines or characters or any of the elements that are in successful morning shows. It's also obvious they have no connection with this music because they never back or front announce anything, at least when I've listened. The song ends and they just start talking like they're coming out of a spot.
How these no-talents keep landing on their feet is indeed a mystery.
How these no-talents keep landing on their feet is indeed a mystery.
They keep getting gigs because they aren't leaving Cincinnati. No matter who it is, or what market they're in, if they don't want to leave and it's known there will be someone to always hire you because you are there and have a "name" around town. Good or bad, it's publicity and there will always be people who like the person and will listen, and there will be those who don't but will still listen because they can't stand them. You're one of them. You know you don't like them from Homer, but you gave them a listen anyway on the rock station...and trends say (this would be human, not radio) that you will listen again when you're in one of "those moods" that drive you to turn them on.
We all do it. Wether it's someone on Q, Warm, Rock, 'GRR...we can all name who we don't like and more than likely tell someone something they did in the last week that reaffirmed why we don't like that person. We spend a lot of time at both ends of the spectrum, in this case radio people we like and don't like, and very little time in the middle. Why? Because it's boring. Just like a psychology class, which is exactly what this is turning into.
I apologize. I will go now.
We all do it. Wether it's someone on Q, Warm, Rock, 'GRR...we can all name who we don't like and more than likely tell someone something they did in the last week that reaffirmed why we don't like that person. We spend a lot of time at both ends of the spectrum, in this case radio people we like and don't like, and very little time in the middle. Why? Because it's boring. Just like a psychology class, which is exactly what this is turning into.
I apologize. I will go now.
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uppendowndadial
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Really??!? I know at least a half dozen folks who fit that bill and don't have jobs.from here and there said:it's known there will be someone to always hire you because you are there and have a "name" around town.
You know a half dozen, and I'm sure there are at least a dozen more. Cincy is full of talented, out of work talent. But when searching to hire someone questions have to be asked...
-Do they fit the format where there are openings? Sorry, Mr. K on Warm wouldn't work. He has a rep in town that is not the image Warm puts into the community (professional, not personal).
-Do they fit the mold of what the programmer wants in their talent? The Angry's are a bad example here, because they probably don't fit the long-term plan for the station, they're more than likely there because they're under contract. But, you don't hire someone with Top 40 energy for a AAA station is the point. Can they "tone it down?" If so, they have to provide an aircheck that proves it.
-Have they made life hell for former employers, word got out and it's easier not to hire them than it would be to bring them into the building and deal with all the b.s.? This is always a he said/she said game and the person doing the hiring has to do their best to decide what is what. It's not fair, but it's the truth.
-Do they make stupid demands for money and/or other comp requests that management would rather not deal with because of the potential problems? As long as companies can use the increase in health insurance every year as a reason not to give raises, the days of 10% raises a year are gone. If one is made, it's a quick trip to the "no" pile.
There are a lot of questions that go into hiring talent. Those are just a few. Sadly, the best don't always get the job because of such things. It's too bad personel feelings get in the way, too. I'm not here to debate the "good people don't get hired" topic. That beast shows its ugly head in every industry, not just radio. It's just the reality. Always has been. Always will be.
Looking for a job is like going through college. You can have a class where a prof tells you to express yourself freely, and you do with views different than their's and you find you're failing class. What the prof said wasn't wrong, he wants you to express yourself freely...just as long as you agree with their views. Once you realize this and just play along, you'll pass. It's a game. It's the same in radio, or any industry. Learn to play the game management wants and you'll find that opprotunities present themselves more often. If you don't want to play, don't. But don't complain that you're not being allowed on the field. You know what it takes to get in the game. I know of at least 5 talent in your city who got their gigs this way and have kept them even though they aren't the most talented. They just play the game better.
As for listening to people you don't like because you want to tear them apart...if you like being unhappy and full of rage, that's your choice. With all that life throws at us as people, I just don't see why someone would want to choose to put themselves through a personal hell. But it's your choice and I respect that.
-Do they fit the format where there are openings? Sorry, Mr. K on Warm wouldn't work. He has a rep in town that is not the image Warm puts into the community (professional, not personal).
-Do they fit the mold of what the programmer wants in their talent? The Angry's are a bad example here, because they probably don't fit the long-term plan for the station, they're more than likely there because they're under contract. But, you don't hire someone with Top 40 energy for a AAA station is the point. Can they "tone it down?" If so, they have to provide an aircheck that proves it.
-Have they made life hell for former employers, word got out and it's easier not to hire them than it would be to bring them into the building and deal with all the b.s.? This is always a he said/she said game and the person doing the hiring has to do their best to decide what is what. It's not fair, but it's the truth.
-Do they make stupid demands for money and/or other comp requests that management would rather not deal with because of the potential problems? As long as companies can use the increase in health insurance every year as a reason not to give raises, the days of 10% raises a year are gone. If one is made, it's a quick trip to the "no" pile.
There are a lot of questions that go into hiring talent. Those are just a few. Sadly, the best don't always get the job because of such things. It's too bad personel feelings get in the way, too. I'm not here to debate the "good people don't get hired" topic. That beast shows its ugly head in every industry, not just radio. It's just the reality. Always has been. Always will be.
Looking for a job is like going through college. You can have a class where a prof tells you to express yourself freely, and you do with views different than their's and you find you're failing class. What the prof said wasn't wrong, he wants you to express yourself freely...just as long as you agree with their views. Once you realize this and just play along, you'll pass. It's a game. It's the same in radio, or any industry. Learn to play the game management wants and you'll find that opprotunities present themselves more often. If you don't want to play, don't. But don't complain that you're not being allowed on the field. You know what it takes to get in the game. I know of at least 5 talent in your city who got their gigs this way and have kept them even though they aren't the most talented. They just play the game better.
As for listening to people you don't like because you want to tear them apart...if you like being unhappy and full of rage, that's your choice. With all that life throws at us as people, I just don't see why someone would want to choose to put themselves through a personal hell. But it's your choice and I respect that.
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ilovescotch
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from here and there said:You know a half dozen, and I'm sure there are at least a dozen more. Cincy is full of talented, out of work talent. But when searching to hire someone questions have to be asked...
-Do they fit the format where there are openings? Sorry, Mr. K on Warm wouldn't work. He has a rep in town that is not the image Warm puts into the community (professional, not personal).
-Do they fit the mold of what the programmer wants in their talent? The Angry's are a bad example here, because they probably don't fit the long-term plan for the station, they're more than likely there because they're under contract. But, you don't hire someone with Top 40 energy for a AAA station is the point. Can they "tone it down?" If so, they have to provide an aircheck that proves it.
-Have they made life hell for former employers, word got out and it's easier not to hire them than it would be to bring them into the building and deal with all the b.s.? This is always a he said/she said game and the person doing the hiring has to do their best to decide what is what. It's not fair, but it's the truth.
-Do they make stupid demands for money and/or other comp requests that management would rather not deal with because of the potential problems? As long as companies can use the increase in health insurance every year as a reason not to give raises, the days of 10% raises a year are gone. If one is made, it's a quick trip to the "no" pile.
There are a lot of questions that go into hiring talent. Those are just a few. Sadly, the best don't always get the job because of such things. It's too bad personel feelings get in the way, too. I'm not here to debate the "good people don't get hired" topic. That beast shows its ugly head in every industry, not just radio. It's just the reality. Always has been. Always will be.
Looking for a job is like going through college. You can have a class where a prof tells you to express yourself freely, and you do with views different than their's and you find you're failing class. What the prof said wasn't wrong, he wants you to express yourself freely...just as long as you agree with their views. Once you realize this and just play along, you'll pass. It's a game. It's the same in radio, or any industry. Learn to play the game management wants and you'll find that opprotunities present themselves more often. If you don't want to play, don't. But don't complain that you're not being allowed on the field. You know what it takes to get in the game. I know of at least 5 talent in your city who got their gigs this way and have kept them even though they aren't the most talented. They just play the game better.
As for listening to people you don't like because you want to tear them apart...if you like being unhappy and full of rage, that's your choice. With all that life throws at us as people, I just don't see why someone would want to choose to put themselves through a personal hell. But it's your choice and I respect that.
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As for listening to people you don't like because you want to tear them apart...if you like being unhappy and full of rage, that's your choice. With all that life throws at us as people, I just don't see why someone would want to choose to put themselves through a personal hell. But it's your choice and I respect that.
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Actually, I don't believe anyone on these boards does that. We just punch the buttons as we're driving around and comment on what we hear. If these boards only posted messages like, "Gee, this station/jock is great", it wouldn't be very interesting. The purpose of boards like this is to cultivate discussion and analysis. Sometimes the commentary is negative. It doesn't mean the person is angry, going through hell, etc.
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Actually, I don't believe anyone on these boards does that. We just punch the buttons as we're driving around and comment on what we hear. If these boards only posted messages like, "Gee, this station/jock is great", it wouldn't be very interesting. The purpose of boards like this is to cultivate discussion and analysis. Sometimes the commentary is negative. It doesn't mean the person is angry, going through hell, etc.
"We just punch the buttons as we're driving around and comment on what we hear. If these boards only posted messages like, "Gee, this station/jock is great", it wouldn't be very interesting."
Yes, that is true. But interesting isn't "_____, I can't believe ____ still has them on!" That's not constructive or, as I've seen some former posts on the Cincy boards, there are plenty who post here to say they just out right don't like someone. No specifics. Just, "_____ is a ____ _____ _____ ___ ___." Fill it in as you will with negative words. That's not just pushing buttons and commenting on what you hear. That's a personal attack. The car makers gave you buttons to set in your car for a reason. Use them for that purpose. If I know I don't like someone, I don't listen to them, and I program a successful station and I listen to radio and nothing but radio. I know who is on, when they're on and I hit my presets accordingly to the time of day it is. Radio is the only industry around that tears itself apart from the inside. "I'm better than ____." "I can do better than _____." Those posts are all over these boards. If you can, show it. A good programmer will hear what you bring and make a proper decision because he/she has their station's best interests in mind and not mind the corporate backlash that will come when asked about the the things I spoke of in an above post. I've been on both sides of this, the one that's being hired and the one doing the hiring so I post from experience.
Again I say, Cincy has a lot of talent. Is it on the radio right now? I'm not sure. I know some of it's not. I do know from being there in the past and hiring people there, there is a lot of negative attitudes that walk through the doors that fail to make the impression that I needed them to, even if they had a good aircheck and I really thought they could make a difference. Too much of "I worked for ____ and they ______ me." Grow up and tell someone what you can bring to them, the station and bring it. The past is the past. Leave it there, especially in an interview.
Yes, that is true. But interesting isn't "_____, I can't believe ____ still has them on!" That's not constructive or, as I've seen some former posts on the Cincy boards, there are plenty who post here to say they just out right don't like someone. No specifics. Just, "_____ is a ____ _____ _____ ___ ___." Fill it in as you will with negative words. That's not just pushing buttons and commenting on what you hear. That's a personal attack. The car makers gave you buttons to set in your car for a reason. Use them for that purpose. If I know I don't like someone, I don't listen to them, and I program a successful station and I listen to radio and nothing but radio. I know who is on, when they're on and I hit my presets accordingly to the time of day it is. Radio is the only industry around that tears itself apart from the inside. "I'm better than ____." "I can do better than _____." Those posts are all over these boards. If you can, show it. A good programmer will hear what you bring and make a proper decision because he/she has their station's best interests in mind and not mind the corporate backlash that will come when asked about the the things I spoke of in an above post. I've been on both sides of this, the one that's being hired and the one doing the hiring so I post from experience.
Again I say, Cincy has a lot of talent. Is it on the radio right now? I'm not sure. I know some of it's not. I do know from being there in the past and hiring people there, there is a lot of negative attitudes that walk through the doors that fail to make the impression that I needed them to, even if they had a good aircheck and I really thought they could make a difference. Too much of "I worked for ____ and they ______ me." Grow up and tell someone what you can bring to them, the station and bring it. The past is the past. Leave it there, especially in an interview.
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