I read somewhere that LPAM/Part 15 FMs should announce hourly their transmitter location and/or contact info so to assist the FCC if they end up looking for you; they claim this keeps the agents happy and that they'll cut you more slack since you're trying to be lawful or however it goes. Is this a good idea?<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by KJCB on 01/28/06 07:15 AM.</FONT></P>
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Announcing contact/xmitter location info?
- Thread starter ajhenderson
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> I read somewhere that LPAM/Part 15 FMs should announce
> hourly their transmitter location and/or contact info so to
> assist the FCC if they end up looking for you; they claim
> this keeps the agents happy and that they'll cut you more
> slack since you're trying to be lawful or however it goes.
> Is this a good idea?
>
If I understand the rules correctly, you should announce a "legal" id once an hour. Even though part 15 stations are not assingned call letters, I've read that part 15ers should announce their station name, and city/community of broadcast stating that it is part 15 or some sort of comunity radio/purpose of broadcast. I don't see the need in announcing transmitter location, nor am I aware of it being required. It would not be hard to locate the transmitter location if they were looking for you anyways, and besides if you are operating a true part 15, you are legal and should not have anything to worry about.
> hourly their transmitter location and/or contact info so to
> assist the FCC if they end up looking for you; they claim
> this keeps the agents happy and that they'll cut you more
> slack since you're trying to be lawful or however it goes.
> Is this a good idea?
>
If I understand the rules correctly, you should announce a "legal" id once an hour. Even though part 15 stations are not assingned call letters, I've read that part 15ers should announce their station name, and city/community of broadcast stating that it is part 15 or some sort of comunity radio/purpose of broadcast. I don't see the need in announcing transmitter location, nor am I aware of it being required. It would not be hard to locate the transmitter location if they were looking for you anyways, and besides if you are operating a true part 15, you are legal and should not have anything to worry about.
> I read somewhere that LPAM/Part 15 FMs should announce
> hourly their transmitter location and/or contact info so to
> assist the FCC if they end up looking for you; they claim
> this keeps the agents happy and that they'll cut you more
> slack since you're trying to be lawful or however it goes.
> Is this a good idea?
>
For LPAM/Part15 it's not required to do so in the part15 rules... however it's a courtesy for listeners and of course the FCC should they want to visit you.
I call out the location as follows:
"You are listening to --------- Island Community Radio - WICR, transmitting from our studio located at --------, GA. 314--. You may contact us at 912-xxx-xxxx and our email is [email protected], and now the music"
The callout is made at the beginning and at the end of the program other wise a seperate callout for the 'top of the hour' and 'WICR' the bottom of the hour.
You do not have to say the station is part15 under part15 rules or anything... the listeners don't care about that.
If you are blatently breaking the rules, ie. 1-500 watts of power I'd say yes they will not cut you any slack... but if your running an EDM 10-100mw, or a Rasmsey 25mw in a Part15 friendly state, then they might ask you to turn down the power or make the antenna smaller, etc.
Radiopilot
<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by radiopilot on 01/28/06 02:13 PM.</FONT></P>
> hourly their transmitter location and/or contact info so to
> assist the FCC if they end up looking for you; they claim
> this keeps the agents happy and that they'll cut you more
> slack since you're trying to be lawful or however it goes.
> Is this a good idea?
>
For LPAM/Part15 it's not required to do so in the part15 rules... however it's a courtesy for listeners and of course the FCC should they want to visit you.
I call out the location as follows:
"You are listening to --------- Island Community Radio - WICR, transmitting from our studio located at --------, GA. 314--. You may contact us at 912-xxx-xxxx and our email is [email protected], and now the music"
The callout is made at the beginning and at the end of the program other wise a seperate callout for the 'top of the hour' and 'WICR' the bottom of the hour.
You do not have to say the station is part15 under part15 rules or anything... the listeners don't care about that.
If you are blatently breaking the rules, ie. 1-500 watts of power I'd say yes they will not cut you any slack... but if your running an EDM 10-100mw, or a Rasmsey 25mw in a Part15 friendly state, then they might ask you to turn down the power or make the antenna smaller, etc.
Radiopilot
<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by radiopilot on 01/28/06 02:13 PM.</FONT></P>
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dickfry
Guest
> I read somewhere that LPAM/Part 15 FMs should announce
> hourly their transmitter location and/or contact info so to
> assist the FCC if they end up looking for you; they claim
> this keeps the agents happy and that they'll cut you more
> slack since you're trying to be lawful or however it goes.
> Is this a good idea?
>
Yeah, and while we're at it, let's give them a DNA sample. We certainly don't want to make it difficult for the government to stomp on our Free Speech rights.
Moooo, I say, moooo.
- Dick the Bovine
> hourly their transmitter location and/or contact info so to
> assist the FCC if they end up looking for you; they claim
> this keeps the agents happy and that they'll cut you more
> slack since you're trying to be lawful or however it goes.
> Is this a good idea?
>
Yeah, and while we're at it, let's give them a DNA sample. We certainly don't want to make it difficult for the government to stomp on our Free Speech rights.
Moooo, I say, moooo.
- Dick the Bovine
J
JasonW
Guest
Yes, while I believe in obeying the law, this "walking on eggshells so as not to anger the government" mindset is very sad. They serve *us*, not the other way around.
I also don't like the other extreme, often taken by irate citizens who harangue individual government employees with statements such as "Don't you forget, I'm paying your salary!"
We should treat government employees cordially in an adult manner, neither bowing and scraping before them nor expecting them to do the same before us. -- Jason
> > I read somewhere that LPAM/Part 15 FMs should announce
> > hourly their transmitter location and/or contact info so
> to
> > assist the FCC if they end up looking for you; they claim
> > this keeps the agents happy and that they'll cut you more
> > slack since you're trying to be lawful or however it goes.
>
> > Is this a good idea?
> >
>
> Yeah, and while we're at it, let's give them a DNA sample.
> We certainly don't want to make it difficult for the
> government to stomp on our Free Speech rights.
>
> Moooo, I say, moooo.
>
> - Dick the Bovine
>
I also don't like the other extreme, often taken by irate citizens who harangue individual government employees with statements such as "Don't you forget, I'm paying your salary!"
We should treat government employees cordially in an adult manner, neither bowing and scraping before them nor expecting them to do the same before us. -- Jason
> > I read somewhere that LPAM/Part 15 FMs should announce
> > hourly their transmitter location and/or contact info so
> to
> > assist the FCC if they end up looking for you; they claim
> > this keeps the agents happy and that they'll cut you more
> > slack since you're trying to be lawful or however it goes.
>
> > Is this a good idea?
> >
>
> Yeah, and while we're at it, let's give them a DNA sample.
> We certainly don't want to make it difficult for the
> government to stomp on our Free Speech rights.
>
> Moooo, I say, moooo.
>
> - Dick the Bovine
>
> > I read somewhere that LPAM/Part 15 FMs should announce
> > hourly their transmitter location and/or contact info so
> to
> > assist the FCC if they end up looking for you; they claim
> > this keeps the agents happy and that they'll cut you more
> > slack since you're trying to be lawful or however it goes.
>
> > Is this a good idea?
> >
>
> Yeah, and while we're at it, let's give them a DNA sample.
> We certainly don't want to make it difficult for the
> government to stomp on our Free Speech rights.
>
> Moooo, I say, moooo.
>
> - Dick the Bovine
>
Dick,
You haven't been eating an excessive amount of U.S.D.A. 100% Grade A Beef fed with animal carcusses/road kill in the good old fashion American way? Ha..Ha..
Yes I agree that these kinds of statements are like having a sign with your name and address posted on your car window as you speed by at 60mph in a 55mph zone right in front of a police officer!
Radiopilot
> > hourly their transmitter location and/or contact info so
> to
> > assist the FCC if they end up looking for you; they claim
> > this keeps the agents happy and that they'll cut you more
> > slack since you're trying to be lawful or however it goes.
>
> > Is this a good idea?
> >
>
> Yeah, and while we're at it, let's give them a DNA sample.
> We certainly don't want to make it difficult for the
> government to stomp on our Free Speech rights.
>
> Moooo, I say, moooo.
>
> - Dick the Bovine
>
Dick,
You haven't been eating an excessive amount of U.S.D.A. 100% Grade A Beef fed with animal carcusses/road kill in the good old fashion American way? Ha..Ha..
Yes I agree that these kinds of statements are like having a sign with your name and address posted on your car window as you speed by at 60mph in a 55mph zone right in front of a police officer!
Radiopilot
Re: i'm interested in rfry and groucho opinions....
I want to see their opinions on the subject
> I read somewhere that LPAM/Part 15 FMs should announce
> hourly their transmitter location and/or contact info so to
> assist the FCC if they end up looking for you; they claim
> this keeps the agents happy and that they'll cut you more
> slack since you're trying to be lawful or however it goes.
> Is this a good idea?
>
<P ID="signature">______________
Oldies 1610 AM Stereo
"Proud User of Chris Cuff's Alfredo Lite 100mw"
http://www.part15.us
Largest Part 15 Website in the World</P>
I want to see their opinions on the subject
> I read somewhere that LPAM/Part 15 FMs should announce
> hourly their transmitter location and/or contact info so to
> assist the FCC if they end up looking for you; they claim
> this keeps the agents happy and that they'll cut you more
> slack since you're trying to be lawful or however it goes.
> Is this a good idea?
>
<P ID="signature">______________
Oldies 1610 AM Stereo
"Proud User of Chris Cuff's Alfredo Lite 100mw"
http://www.part15.us
Largest Part 15 Website in the World</P>
I am neither but here is my opinion.
> I want to see their opinions on the subject
>
>
>
> > I read somewhere that LPAM/Part 15 FMs should announce
> > hourly their transmitter location and/or contact info so
> to
> > assist the FCC if they end up looking for you; they claim
> > this keeps the agents happy and that they'll cut you more
> > slack since you're trying to be lawful or however it goes.
>
> > Is this a good idea?
> >
>
The rules do not require nor do they prohibit this. Do what you want.
I think making up a W or a K callsign is not needed, but do what you want.
If using a local community identifier helps establish a sense of belonging then do what you want.
If you think helping the FCC find you will ease the penality for illegal operation, do what you want.
Unlike the licensed radio services which all require FCC assigned callsigns and on file station locations and names of responsible parties, part15 requires none. There is just no requirement to identify your station and none to prevent you from doing so.
Neil
> I want to see their opinions on the subject
>
>
>
> > I read somewhere that LPAM/Part 15 FMs should announce
> > hourly their transmitter location and/or contact info so
> to
> > assist the FCC if they end up looking for you; they claim
> > this keeps the agents happy and that they'll cut you more
> > slack since you're trying to be lawful or however it goes.
>
> > Is this a good idea?
> >
>
The rules do not require nor do they prohibit this. Do what you want.
I think making up a W or a K callsign is not needed, but do what you want.
If using a local community identifier helps establish a sense of belonging then do what you want.
If you think helping the FCC find you will ease the penality for illegal operation, do what you want.
Unlike the licensed radio services which all require FCC assigned callsigns and on file station locations and names of responsible parties, part15 requires none. There is just no requirement to identify your station and none to prevent you from doing so.
Neil
Re: I am neither but here is my opinion.
Wow, didn't mean to get people so fired up. I would agree that the idea has some flaws, but being new to the realm of unlicensed broadcasting (and as many would testify, a pain when it comes to IDing at the right time and other trivial issues on licensed broadcasts), I figured I'd defer to the experts, as I have on several other issues here. Thanks for your comments.
Wow, didn't mean to get people so fired up. I would agree that the idea has some flaws, but being new to the realm of unlicensed broadcasting (and as many would testify, a pain when it comes to IDing at the right time and other trivial issues on licensed broadcasts), I figured I'd defer to the experts, as I have on several other issues here. Thanks for your comments.
Re: i'm interested in rfry and groucho opinions....
> I want to see their opinions on the subject
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The FCC may have some guidance on this, but I haven't researched it, as I am not a broadcaster (Part 15 or otherwise).
I have no personal opinion about it other than whatever ID is used should be unique -- not the same as the call letters or "slogan" of any licensed station of any category.
//
> I want to see their opinions on the subject
________
The FCC may have some guidance on this, but I haven't researched it, as I am not a broadcaster (Part 15 or otherwise).
I have no personal opinion about it other than whatever ID is used should be unique -- not the same as the call letters or "slogan" of any licensed station of any category.
//
I am not fired up
> Wow, didn't mean to get people so fired up. I would agree
> that the idea has some flaws, but being new to the realm of
> unlicensed broadcasting (and as many would testify, a pain
> when it comes to IDing at the right time and other trivial
> issues on licensed broadcasts), I figured I'd defer to the
> experts, as I have on several other issues here. Thanks for
> your comments.
>
I just wanted to weigh in on this.
Be happy and enjoy the hobby.
Neil
> Wow, didn't mean to get people so fired up. I would agree
> that the idea has some flaws, but being new to the realm of
> unlicensed broadcasting (and as many would testify, a pain
> when it comes to IDing at the right time and other trivial
> issues on licensed broadcasts), I figured I'd defer to the
> experts, as I have on several other issues here. Thanks for
> your comments.
>
I just wanted to weigh in on this.
Be happy and enjoy the hobby.
Neil
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KeithHamilton
Guest
If the FCC wants to find you, you don't want them to have to search around for you all day. You want them to arrive in a good humor and not stressed out.
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