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Another Attempt At an FM Translator From Midtown Manhattan

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Barry

There is a filing with the FCC requesting authorization for a 10 watt translator that would transmit from 4 Times Square, on 101.5 FM. It would rebroadcast WVIP FM (perhaps an HD subchannel) on a directional signal that would reach parts of Manhattan, and some towns in nearby NJ, such as Edgewater, Union City, and Weehawken.
WKXW (NJ 101.5) is asking on its website for its listeners in those areas to fill out a "Listener Declaration Form" for forwarding to the FCC in opposition to this proposal.
Some may recall that about two years ago, a 99 watt translator from that area of Manhattan was briefly operating on 106.3, but was shut down in response to complaints from Thunder Country, in NJ.

New Times Square Translator Application: https://licensing.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/w...t=25&appn=101570294&formid=349&fac_num=148148
 
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This is one of those ancient 2003 translator applications that's been allowed to move forward. It'll never be on the air. Second adjacent to 2 CBS Radio stations (WCBS-FM and WFAN-FM) from 4 Times Square? They'll never let that fly.

If it ever got to air, you'd never be able to hear it. 10 watts would get so very lost.
 
reelyreal said:
If it ever got to air, you'd never be able to hear it. 10 watts would get so very lost.
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Right. The only benefit of that license would be to the owner/operator who would sell brokered airtime on a "New York" FM signal to someone who doesn't know any better.

As an actual service to the public, it's useless.
 
reelyreal said:
This is one of those ancient 2003 translator applications that's been allowed to move forward. It'll never be on the air. Second adjacent to 2 CBS Radio stations (WCBS-FM and WFAN-FM) from 4 Times Square? They'll never let that fly.
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They don't have a choice. Low power second adjacents are legal. Happens all the time. In the Salt Lake City market there are 8 low power stations sandwiched between full class C's and with much higher power. The only stations that have standing to challenge it are those that receive direct interference, which would be WKXW and WPDH.
 
It can be surprising what 10 watts can do, if broadcast from the right location.
On I95 in southern Westchester County, 10 watt translator W268AN from fairly distant Plainview LI is the signal usually heard on 101.5, even though there is a fairly strong nearby pirate station on the frequency. And W268AN transmits from a much lower elevation than the top of Four Times Square.
 
Barry said:
It can be surprising what 10 watts can do, if broadcast from the right location.
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Curious if one of the engineers here could tell us how far out the 65 dbu contour would reach with 10 watts from 4 Times Square, especially given that it isn't the highest point in midtown and there are some surrounding taller skyscrapers.
 
Second adjacents can complain of interference, just like first adjacents and co-channels.

The problem with 10 watts in Manhattan is all the steel and the population under the antenna. It may get out, but can it get down and through all the steel?

That's a real stretch.
 
ansky212 said:
Thunder 106 is at it again, too. Apparently there is a translator application in the Princeton area threatening the 106.3 signal:

http://thunder106.com/protect-thunder106
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Enough is enough with these stations trying to protect well outside their contour... thunder 106 is trying to stop a translator in Lawrenceville. They're asking folks for support if they live in Princeton. Why bother? I couldn't pick up thunder in plainsboro, Princeton, any of the windsors or toward Trenton. 106.5 spotty at best south of Bensalem. Press communications needs to give up and focus on that train wreck they call 107.1 instead of an area already served by 92.5 xtu and nash fm.

Townsquare should look at addressing their issue with signal in north jersey by adding translators where 101.5 can't reach.
 
Am I the only one that has no problem popping the TuneIn or ootunes app if I cant hear these stations on the FM band?
 
Judging by the 60db contour on the map included with the FCC application, a 7 mile range seems about right. The map shows a directional signal reaching west to Secaucus NJ, northwest to Ridgefield NJ, and also reaching nearby densely populated communities such as Weehawken, Union City, North Bergen, and Cliffside Park. A small part of central Manhattan is also within the contour, but the focus appears to be on nearby NJ.
The reception area may be small, but quite a few people live and work within it.
I tried to provide a link to the FCC application and map, but it does not work.
 
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