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Another "Daytimer" on 1170 Pulling an "All-Nighter"

cyberdad

cyberdad

I was on the Peoria, IL SDR last night at around 9PM CDT checking 1170 following up on a previous thread to see if WDEK from South Caroliuena would be there. What I heard was Scott Shannon's "True Oldies Channel" with a (mostly) good signal. but after a half hour, no positive ID. So....this morning at about an hour before sunrise, I tried 1170 on my SRF-37 to see if Shannon and the "Mystery oldies station" would be audible here.

It was. Weak, but I did get a couple of positive IDs. It turned out to be WFDL from Waupun, WI. 1kw non-directional daytimer with an FM translator.

1170 is relatively empty in this part of the country at night, so despite the weak signal, there isn't much to bloc itl. Could be an opportunity if some of you guys may want to give it a try.
 
I've got WFDL on the Edinburgh, Ind SDR again tonight. Matched up a couple of songs to their streaming audio, never heard the calls or frequency.
 
I can hear it in Chicago right now. I haven't been listening long enough to get an ID but the last few songs have matched their stream on the web perfectly.

Listening around adjacent frequencies, I was able to get an ID for WGAB in Evansville, IN on 1180. It was competing with some success against the 50 KW WHAM in Rochester NY. Officially WGAB is at 1 watt at night... makes me wonder how seriously stations take their nighttime power restrictions.
 
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MichaelTheZ said:
I can hear it in Chicago right now. I haven't been listening long enough to get an ID but the last few songs have matched their stream on the web perfectly.

Listening around adjacent frequencies, I was able to get an ID for WGAB in Evansville, IN on 1180. It was competing with some success against the 50 KW WHAM in Rochester NY. Officially WGAB is at 1 watt at night... makes me wonder how seriously stations take their nighttime power restrictions.
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It seems as if more and more stations don't care about their nighttime power restrictions anymore. I guess their attitude is if they can get away with it, why not?
 
West Central Georgia

I decided to see if I could possibly hear WFDL from Wisconsin on 1170 now that WDEK from South Carolina has stopped their evening entertainment. This frequency is usually empty in my area - I am in the null between WWVA and KFAQ. I usually hear WWVA on this frequency from time to time and last night heard Coast to Coast AM and their $1000 listener contest for a few minutes. But around 2:20am I heard a few minutes of "No Matter What" by Badfinger (1970) which might be the True Oldies Channel from Waupun. Too bad I couldn't catch an ID. There are so few stations on this frequency at night in my area (legally). Are there any other oldies radio stations on this frequency at night?
 
WahooWah said:
West Central Georgia

I decided to see if I could possibly hear WFDL from Wisconsin on 1170 now that WDEK from South Carolina has stopped their evening entertainment. This frequency is usually empty in my area - I am in the null between WWVA and KFAQ. I usually hear WWVA on this frequency from time to time and last night heard Coast to Coast AM and their $1000 listener contest for a few minutes. But around 2:20am I heard a few minutes of "No Matter What" by Badfinger (1970) which might be the True Oldies Channel from Waupun. Too bad I couldn't catch an ID. There are so few stations on this frequency at night in my area (legally). Are there any other oldies radio stations on this frequency at night?
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Why not listen to the WFDL stream to verify it was them when hearing the music?
http://www.am1170radio.com/
 
I checked 1170 at around 4:45AM CST this morning. Oldies, and ads for local businesses. Undoubtedly WFDL, but no call letters or frequency mentions. It faded at TOH, then returned mixing with WWVA...which apparently went to day pattern. Radio was the Sangean ATS 505.

Notes: I forgot to mention yesterday for those who didn't know or might have been wondering.... Wapun is located roughly between Madison and Green Bay in East Central Wisconsin.

And @ Michael, I usually am unable to match what I'm hearing on my radio with the stream because I'm typically in a different location from my smartphone and computer (plus I'm lazy). Also, regarding stations being lax about powering down or not signing off, I think some of that (but certainly not all) has to do with automation not being set up correctly. IMHO, stations with translators are increasingly treating the AM parent as an afterthought. Particularly if that parent is a daytimer,
 
Thx much for the tip, Cyberdad.

Wisconsin has to be one of the toughest states for DXers in the contagious 48 to hear.

And 1170's South Carolina station could make for yet another tough state for many.

As Yakov Smirnoff might say, '1170! What a frequency!'
 
I read somewhere that some stations are using the covid19 outbreak as an excuse to stay on at night. The FCC apparently is not buying that excuse.
 
I've heard WFDL 1170 near the Straits of Mackinac during Daytime Skywave, like close to 2 hours after Solar Noon. As I recall, I could hear it in West Central Michigan on ground wave with a short vertical antenna and a one transistor preamp in the late 1970s.

Much as I don't like stations not going to Night facilities or signing off, I can't believe they would endanger themselves possibly contracting coronavirus by going to the site at this time. Maybe a warning letter would be more effective, that if this keeps being reported, direct action could be taken.

I see no reason or advantage why WFDL, with two 250 watt FM translators in Waupun and Fond Du Lac, should need to stay on at Night with the AM facility. Inexperienced personnel who know little about the technical aspects of radio, are probably responsible.
 
Update: WFDL is still going at it They were booming in here at my location about a half hour before local sunrise this morning. Completely trashing WWVA.

Pre-dawn conditions to the north and west were good this morning. No new catches for me, but I did get a graveyard channel "second time-er" KROC from Rochester, MN on 1340 with a positive ID. About 275 miles at approx 5:15am CDT. On top for about five minutes before disappearing back into the slop. Radio was the Sony SRF 37 Walkman. The other time I heard KROC was about four years ago on the same radio.
 
Do you hear much of WWVA at night cyberdad or were they already on day pattern?
They're completely gone in Columbus once they go to night pattern. I can't remember ever hearing them at night here.
 
schmave said:
Do you hear much of WWVA at night cyberdad or were they already on day pattern?
They're completely gone in Columbus once they go to night pattern. I can't remember ever hearing them at night here.
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I'm in the Chicago area. When I hear WWVA their usually all alone, but weak.
 
schmave said:
Do you hear much of WWVA at night cyberdad or were they already on day pattern?
They're completely gone in Columbus once they go to night pattern. I can't remember ever hearing them at night here.
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Same here as what radioman reported. I hear WWVA every so often at night, but I wouldn't call them a regular. Just before local sunrise before they go to day pattern is far more common. 1170 is usually fairly quiet here at night. Sometimes KFAQ or KBOB, but they're both rare. So when a station on 1170 "forgets" to power down or sign off, it's can be a relatively easy catch in these parts.

Back in the day when what's now KBOB was KSTT, a legendary top 40 station, I used to try for it all the time. Usually without success. But every now and then I'd get lucky.
 
That makes sense.
I've heard WWVA on I-77 south of Canton at night, but it's easy to tell once you enter their null because they vanish.
Never have been able to listen to them when I've been on or near the East Coast but I know their night pattern puts a solid signal into far northeast Ohio.
 
schmave said:
That makes sense.
I've heard WWVA on I-77 south of Canton at night, but it's easy to tell once you enter their null because they vanish.
Never have been able to listen to them when I've been on or near the East Coast but I know their night pattern puts a solid signal into far northeast Ohio.
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WWVA does put out a good signal into the east coast, but very weak into the midwest at night.
 
Now it's daytimer 1170 WWTR in Bridgewater, NJ. Lately they've been on the air all night with their full 600-watt signal. They do not have a PSRA / PSSA authorization because WWVA's skywave is so strong in this area that it would've been only 10 watts and pretty much useless.
 
WWTR 1170 issues..

Just for the record. as Chief Engineer of WWTR , and many other stations.
WWTR has been having an Issue with its Burk Arc Touch Plus Unit. loosing its Network connection to its Plus-X controller interface. Hence the Controller sending Commands to the Plus -X, But the Plus X not getting the commands.
I have Changed IP addresses, I have Changed Port Numbers. I have changed the Router and switch updated Firmware. Been on the Phone with Burk Support to try and Find a solution to this. out of 45 of these units I have installed only 2 are having this issue. WHWH has been also having Disconnect problems.( we think the units are Getting Pinged or Flooded from overseas hackers) Storms last night Glitched the WTTM site. It did not turn on, until a drove to the site. replaced 10 fuses 2 power supplies, and reset the Burk. alll the Cell Carriers had portable Generators running when I got there.

Neal Newman- If you have Questions abut any of the Stations I run , and Maintain, call me.. I cannot listen to all of them. so I have No idea of Glitches at some of them. Others like WWTR.. I have been working on getting resolved. some of these posts make it seem like the owners are Intentionally leaving the stations on at Night( daytimers) I am a stickler for compliance.
Neal cell# 610-573-9081 feel free to call me.. I dont bite.
 
kevtronics said:
Now it's daytimer 1170 WWTR in Bridgewater, NJ. Lately they've been on the air all night with their full 600-watt signal. They do not have a PSRA / PSSA authorization because WWVA's skywave is so strong in this area that it would've been only 10 watts and pretty much useless.
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Kevin its an issue with the Burk remote control.. it is not Intentional.. feel free to call me for any technical questions.... my number is on other posts..
I am a stickler for Compliance..
Neal CE to many stations to list..
 
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