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Another loss for minorities in Boston

I have to say Ive been trolling the board for a long time and you excel at pointing your finger at others and calling them troublemakers and then when someone points out your own involvement they have to be Karl Rove or Swift Boat engines. You get singled out becasue of what you do here not because of who you are but people only know who you are because of your ranting about so many things here. That is how I know who you are. Try not making things about you and keep it about radio.

Waaf getting the frequency is a loss for minorities in Boston yes but it has so little to do with corporate evil. Radio One the company that sold it is a corporation too and they should be held even more to blame than Entercom as they were the company that sold it to Entercom. They are not heros for keeping the AM station a friend there said they wanted to sell it too and could not find a buyer. Corporattions are corporations they all only care about money
 
10 posts for TowerBuzz - boy, the swift boat is sure overflowing with newbies.

And what have you done of substance?

We don't know you "Towerbuzz" nor do we care. Maybe when you have 100 posts and we know what you are about...somewhat, but right now you have no authority and zero credibility.
 
Im sorry? are you attacking me because I have not posted ENOUGH? what kind of sense does that make?. That is more of a swift boat tactic than anything else that has been seen on this forum. lacing your posts with insults of everyone else on this forum does not make you right or your thoughts any more valid. As for your questioning what I have done well Ill just say I have done more than go down to my local cable shack and say "I want to do a show". While I read your lengthy descriptions of all you've accomplished it makes me wonder who you are trying to convince? people on the board? or yourself?.
 
TowerBuzz said:
Im sorry? are you attacking me because I have not posted ENOUGH? what kind of sense does that make?. That is more of a swift boat tactic than anything else that has been seen on this forum. lacing your posts with insults of everyone else on this forum does not make you right or your thoughts any more valid. As for your questioning what I have done well Ill just say I have done more than go down to my local cable shack and say "I want to do a show". While I read your lengthy descriptions of all you've accomplished it makes me wonder who you are trying to convince? people on the board? or yourself?.

Jim Rome does that. After interviewing Clemens he'll say "Wow...thanks Rocket!...excellent interview...great job!"

As if he's doing one of those Stuart Smalley affirmations.

Getting back ON-TOPIC. Research will show that "ethnically targeted" radio tends to attract more caucasian listeners than ethnic. Arbitron guesstimates only 248,000 "black" listeners in the entire market. That's 6%. To that we'll add 265,000 "hispanic" (7%) listeners for a grand total of 513,000 "non caucasian" listeners in the entire market. There's actually twice the percentage of "black" listeners available here in KC.

The point being there isn't enough audience according to Arbitron to justify serving ONLY "black", or "non-caucasian" audience. That's what a market survey will cite for data. So, 13% of the entire audience has allegedly been wronged by this dastardly transaction.

Reality check....Just because a station targets a certain demographic doesn't mean that demographic represents the majority of it's audience. Using Arbitron's (IMHO completely flawed but our industry continues to accept as gospel with regard to advertising) data, there's no market for a "black" station in Boston. The numbers don't support it. No station can survive on those numbers alone. Perhaps Radio One cashed out after seeing this?
 
PS

how do you know how many times I have posted? and why are you keeping track of how many times I have posted. That's sort of creepy!.
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Oops thank you for the heads up Neggy. "Duh"? Sorry Im new and although Ive looked at this board a bunch over many months I dont hang out on it all day like some posters apparantly do. I still dont understand why how many or few times somebody posts equates to credibility. That's a fool's argument I think.
 
"me and paul" "paul and I." Note the typical obfuscation. JOE is the person who attacks, retreats and accuses the people who respond as the original attackers. I'm well aware that he's laughing right now because the moderators of this board have consistently ignored this. What's even more pathetic is Joe lives with his mother, is middle aged and unemployed. In this realm, due to the moderators, he is a king.
 
More libel from the peanut gallery who has attacked Casablance relentlessly and came onto this board to attack people who criticize WRKO. "Intercomm99" talks about concealment but he/she producing at Entercom won't post their real name. Jason Wolfe would know they are using Entercom computers instead of doing their 6.00 per hour job at the Guest St. suites.

here's the exact quote:
"I appreciate that, Mickey. Problem is, Paul & I get singled out because people know who we are."

I happen to live with some very nice and good looking people! :)

WISH that I lived with my folks as my mom is the best cook in the world! These people don't know where I live or what I do.

The Moderators are watching all of this closely as I am in touch with them about Intercomm, Lucy Lu, Pug Uglies and the Newbies. We also know someone who was banned on this site threatened both myself and the moderators with the fact that he has at least FIVE other handles. Everyone in the know understands the banned one is obsessed and out to get a few of us on this board. Watch all the "newbie" posts, people.
1-10 postings and you know who is at it again.

NOTE TO TOWERBUZZ: In any "chat" room there are the regulars and then there are the "newbies". It takes awhile for people to see where you are at. As stated, one individual was banned and threatened myself and the moderators that he would do exactly what you are doing. You are guilty until proven innocent. Post who you are if you want some instant credibility. I didn't think so...
 
Please note the middle-age discrimination I warned everyone about. Entercomm's gopher says this. What does Howie have to say about it? He's older than me!
 
Neanderpaul said:
TowerBuzz said:
Im sorry? are you attacking me because I have not posted ENOUGH? what kind of sense does that make?. That is more of a swift boat tactic than anything else that has been seen on this forum. lacing your posts with insults of everyone else on this forum does not make you right or your thoughts any more valid. As for your questioning what I have done well Ill just say I have done more than go down to my local cable shack and say "I want to do a show". While I read your lengthy descriptions of all you've accomplished it makes me wonder who you are trying to convince? people on the board? or yourself?.

Jim Rome does that. After interviewing Clemens he'll say "Wow...thanks Rocket!...excellent interview...great job!"

As if he's doing one of those Stuart Smalley affirmations.

Getting back ON-TOPIC. Research will show that "ethnically targeted" radio tends to attract more caucasian listeners than ethnic. Arbitron guesstimates only 248,000 "black" listeners in the entire market. That's 6%. To that we'll add 265,000 "hispanic" (7%) listeners for a grand total of 513,000 "non caucasian" listeners in the entire market. There's actually twice the percentage of "black" listeners available here in KC.

The point being there isn't enough audience according to Arbitron to justify serving ONLY "black", or "non-caucasian" audience. That's what a market survey will cite for data. So, 13% of the entire audience has allegedly been wronged by this dastardly transaction.

Reality check....Just because a station targets a certain demographic doesn't mean that demographic represents the majority of it's audience. Using Arbitron's (IMHO completely flawed but our industry continues to accept as gospel with regard to advertising) data, there's no market for a "black" station in Boston. The numbers don't support it. No station can survive on those numbers alone. Perhaps Radio One cashed out after seeing this?

Nice try with the corporate shpeal but I don't buy that. Plenty of non-black people listen to black radio. I remember when Kiss-FM in New York fist went Urban AC in the mid 90's, everyone was listening to it.

Plus, Boston is a minority majority city. Even the metropolitan area is gaining minorities while losing white folks. The loss of young people, particularly young white people, is an issue, and even republican gubenatorial candidate Kerry Healy has pointed out the loss of young folks in her campaign. It's immigration that's keeping Mass from losing people.

And advertizers buy on impressions AKA thousands. I have a survey here from Sales & Marketing Management that shows Boston is the 19th largest market for Black population in the US. That's bigger than notable black centers like Richmond (#20), Birmingham (#21) and Charlotte, NC (#22).

And most importantly, Boston needs a black radio station. You've shown yourself to me more concerned about shrugging off the race issue than actually paying attention to the real issue: Boston is now the biggest market without an Urban Radio station. Don't be shortsighted, that's a loss not just for our black population but for the market as a whole.
 
Ciao said:
Neanderpaul said:
Getting back ON-TOPIC. Research will show that "ethnically targeted" radio tends to attract more caucasian listeners than ethnic. Arbitron guesstimates only 248,000 "black" listeners in the entire market. That's 6%. To that we'll add 265,000 "hispanic" (7%) listeners for a grand total of 513,000 "non caucasian" listeners in the entire market. There's actually twice the percentage of "black" listeners available here in KC.

The point being there isn't enough audience according to Arbitron to justify serving ONLY "black", or "non-caucasian" audience. That's what a market survey will cite for data. So, 13% of the entire audience has allegedly been wronged by this dastardly transaction.

Reality check....Just because a station targets a certain demographic doesn't mean that demographic represents the majority of it's audience. Using Arbitron's (IMHO completely flawed but our industry continues to accept as gospel with regard to advertising) data, there's no market for a "black" station in Boston. The numbers don't support it. No station can survive on those numbers alone. Perhaps Radio One cashed out after seeing this?

Nice try with the corporate shpeal but I don't buy that. Plenty of non-black people listen to black radio. I remember when Kiss-FM in New York fist went Urban AC in the mid 90's, everyone was listening to it.

Plus, Boston is a minority majority city. Even the metropolitan area is gaining minorities while losing white folks. The loss of young people, particularly young white people, is an issue, and even republican gubenatorial candidate Kerry Healy has pointed out the loss of young folks in her campaign. It's immigration that's keeping Mass from losing people.

And advertizers buy on impressions AKA thousands. I have a survey here from Sales & Marketing Management that shows Boston is the 19th largest market for Black population in the US. That's bigger than notable black centers like Richmond (#20), Birmingham (#21) and Charlotte, NC (#22).

And most importantly, Boston needs a black radio station. You've shown yourself to me more concerned about shrugging off the race issue than actually paying attention to the real issue: Boston is now the biggest market without an Urban Radio station. Don't be shortsighted, that's a loss not just for our black population but for the market as a whole.

You just stated: "Boston is a minority majority city". The entire phrase is contradictory, but I understand what you're saying and while that may be true for downtown areas...Which part of 6% of the total market don't you comprehend? I didn't just randomly throw that statistic out there. That's how Arbitron, the standard for available audience measuring defines the market. Your assertion just does not hold weight when the data completely refutes it. According to Arbitron, Boston is 87% white. EIGHTY SEVEN PERCENT! these are the stats that radio companies, and ad agencies accept as reality. I'm not saying their "right" or "wrong". I'm saying they are as they are, and perception always equals reality.

I just told you that "black targeted" radio stations can't survive on "black only" listeners. That more often than not, research shows that more caucasians than non-caucasians listen to "black" radio stations. Perhaps you might want to go back and re-read my post. I'm not an adversary in this discussion. I'm just pointing out what the data shows, and processing it using the resources available. I'm sorry if it doesn't meld with your agenda. But, although the truth hurts sometimes. That doesn't make it any less true.

I also would love for you to show me how I'm "shrugging off the race issue than actually paying attention to the real issue"

I haven't "shrugged off" anything. I've shown you that there's no data that shows that a significant portion of the Boston Market is being ignored by any radio station. Both WXKS, and WJMN are "ethnically targeted". And both stations are very successful. I've also repeatedly asserted that, if there is a segment of the audience to be served that isn't currently being served, and if it makes good financial business sense, some radio company will adjust their programming accordingly.

There is no "race issue." Here's the ONLY issue. Radio One, a "minority/black owned" radio company, chose to sell their FM property to a "white" radio company, Entercom Communications, for approximately 30 million dollars. Some people want to look at it as a denial of radio for a certain "minority" group, or somehow spin it as the white man keeping minorities down. Skin pigment has less than zero to do with it. I'm fairly certain, although I can't, nor would I purport to speak for either party, but my gut tells me it wasn't ever considered by either company. Please stop looking at it as a personal slight to any community. Because if you were to truly look at who should be ridiculed, I would think it would be the sellers who'd be more suspect.

I hate all discussions pertaining to race because they inhibit true equality. We'll never have it as long as people continue to segregate themselves. I'm not blind to the reality of Boston's past. But, we'll never move forward until people stop using race as the arbiter for every business decision.

This is a topic I know will rub people the wrong way. I hope nobody misconstrues my intentions. Communication is the first step toward resolution. And too many people are afraid to communicate. It's a start.

Los Angeles has no Country station. New York no current-based Rock station. It's not unheard of for a specific format to be ignored in a large city. WILD was a 2-share radio station. If someone wants that 2-share added to their ratings, they'll adjust.

I don't know what demo breakouts look like. I do know that if there's money to be made. It will happen.

End of my participation. Thanks for reading.
 
Varulven said:
More libel from the peanut gallery who has attacked Casablance relentlessly and came onto this board to attack people who criticize WRKO. "Intercomm99" talks about concealment but he/she producing at Entercom won't post their real name. Jason Wolfe would know they are using Entercom computers instead of doing their 6.00 per hour job at the Guest St. suites.

here's the exact quote:
"I appreciate that, Mickey. Problem is, Paul & I get singled out because people know who we are."

I happen to live with some very nice and good looking people! :)

WISH that I lived with my folks as my mom is the best cook in the world! These people don't know where I live or what I do.

The Moderators are watching all of this closely as I am in touch with them about Intercomm, Lucy Lu, Pug Uglies and the Newbies. We also know someone who was banned on this site threatened both myself and the moderators with the fact that he has at least FIVE other handles. Everyone in the know understands the banned one is obsessed and out to get a few of us on this board. Watch all the "newbie" posts, people.
1-10 postings and you know who is at it again.

NOTE TO TOWERBUZZ: In any "chat" room there are the regulars and then there are the "newbies". It takes awhile for people to see where you are at. As stated, one individual was banned and threatened myself and the moderators that he would do exactly what you are doing. You are guilty until proven innocent. Post who you are if you want some instant credibility. I didn't think so...


Do you work there? why are you the spokesman for all this?. Im not looking to you to determine if I have credibility. You're combative it looks like about everything. I didnt come here to talk about Swift Boat politics or cable access I want to talk about radio. Are you working in radio? what credibility do you have?. Some people cant play on a computer for hours so I dont apologize for not posting everytime I have been here. This might be why so many people cruise this forum and dont post becauuse if you do some stranger picks fights with you. What is this?.
 
Varulven said:
Please note the middle-age discrimination I warned everyone about. Entercomm's gopher says this. What does Howie have to say about it? He's older than me!

hear hear! We must stop this oppression of those radio people (well, in my case, record-at-home, internet radio) who have transited the meridian of life, to quote a much-missed local talk figure.
 
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