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Another NBC station to preempt 'Daniel'

> Just saw this...
>
> http://www.amarillo.com/stories/011106/new_3695921.shtml
>
> KAMR/4 will preempt the show but hasn't decided what they'll
> run instead, or whether they'll air 'Daniel' later at night
> or at another time.

Why?
If people don't want to watch a show they should just not watch it.
At least give the people who want to watch it the chance!
 
> If people don't want to watch a show they should just not
> watch it.
> At least give the people who want to watch it the chance!

Will be interesting, in a very few weeks, to see the numbers on
"Daniel". How many will want to watch it? How many will tune
it out? Not necessarily because of any religious points...more
about whether or not it's liked AS A TV SERIES rather than a
philosophical statement.

If the ratings suck, no station should feel compelled to keep
it on the schedule if it's hurting their overall performance.
That regardless whether some folks try to read something into
their business sense. I found it to be a loser but wouldn't
want to see it cancelled just 'cause I don't like it though
I wouldn't shed any tears and, who knows, they might (????)
just come up with something more entertaining. Though probably
not...just more damned reruns.
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--George Will (or won't)</P>
 
> Why?
> If people don't want to watch a show they should just not
> watch it.
> At least give the people who want to watch it the chance!

Exactly. OK if the affiliate wants to not air it , then broadcast it at 2am or something.
 
> > If people don't want to watch a show they should just not
> > watch it.
> > At least give the people who want to watch it the chance!
>
> Will be interesting, in a very few weeks, to see the numbers
> on
> "Daniel". How many will want to watch it? How many will
> tune
> it out? Not necessarily because of any religious
> points...more
> about whether or not it's liked AS A TV SERIES rather than a
>
> philosophical statement.
>
> If the ratings suck, no station should feel compelled to
> keep
> it on the schedule if it's hurting their overall
> performance.
> That regardless whether some folks try to read something
> into
> their business sense. I found it to be a loser but wouldn't
>
> want to see it cancelled just 'cause I don't like it though
> I wouldn't shed any tears and, who knows, they might (????)
>
> just come up with something more entertaining. Though
> probably
> not...just more damned reruns.
>
Although I can't really argue, I do think that it is OK for affilates to not air network shows. This is the good thing about having individual stations responsible to their own community. Instead of having NYC or LA dictate to the nation their standards each community can decide for itself. Thus what is OK in LA may not play in Peoria. <P ID="signature">______________
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I found it to be a loser but wouldn't
>
> want to see it cancelled just 'cause I don't like it though
> I wouldn't shed any tears and, who knows, they might (????)
>
> just come up with something more entertaining. Though
> probably
> not...just more damned reruns.
>
I agree. As I wrote earlier, it was pretty bad, imho.
 
> Although I can't really argue, I do think that it is OK for
> affilates to not air network shows. This is the good thing
> about having individual stations responsible to their own
> community. Instead of having NYC or LA dictate to the nation
> their standards each community can decide for itself. Thus
> what is OK in LA may not play in Peoria.

I would have to disagree.
In most cases, its the vocal minority who screws things up for the rest of the people.
That said, I think that the newtorks should allow for people who have the technical capablity to get two of their affiliates, or even better WNBC or KNBC. This would give people choice if their local station engages in pre-emption or censorship.<P ID="signature">______________
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> > Why?
> > If people don't want to watch a show they should just not
> > watch it.
> > At least give the people who want to watch it the chance!
>
> Exactly. OK if the affiliate wants to not air it , then
> broadcast it at 2am or something.
>



Or we can stop trying to force the stations to air something they don't want to air. How incredibly stupid would it be to air somethign that's gonna drive away most of your audience? People can say "oh, we don't know that until it happens" until they're blue in the face, but the fact is if you do drive them away, they're very difficult to get back, and that's bad business.

Don't worry, another year or so of the crap that's on tv now and we'll get stuff like this all the time. Just be patient.<P ID="signature">______________
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</img></P>
 
> > > Why?
> > > If people don't want to watch a show they should just
> not
> > > watch it.


A simple solution that for some reason people seem to have a hard timr grasping. I did watch the first episode of Daniel. Didn't care for it so I'll not be watching it again. For all the controversy I was expecting a better show. I found it boreing. A desperate housewives rip off with a Christ charector thrown in was the best way I've heard it described by one of my co workers. But just because I didn't like it, I'm not going to call my local affiliate and demand they take it off the air. If someone wants to see it that should be their choice. Some "religous" group should not dictate what I watch. I think I can do that my self
 
> Or we can stop trying to force the stations to air something
> they don't want to air. How incredibly stupid would it be to
> air somethign that's gonna drive away most of your audience?

Who is forcing who? You see that several affiliates didn't show it, and I'm safely assuming that most of the available TV audience didn't/don't watch it.

> People can say "oh, we don't know that until it happens"
> until they're blue in the face, but the fact is if you do
> drive them away, they're very difficult to get back, and
> that's bad business.

Then why premiere new shows in the first place? NBC isn't exactly in a position to play it conservatively.
>
> Don't worry, another year or so of the crap that's on tv now
> and we'll get stuff like this all the time. Just be patient.
>
CSI:, Law & Order, and all of its associated clones continue to draw millions of viewers; shows like "Three Wishes" get axed. What was that about viewers wanting more wholesome television? Come again?<P ID="signature">______________
"I have the feeling about 60% of what you say is crap."--David Letterman underestimates Bill O'Reilly</P>
 
> > Or we can stop trying to force the stations to air
> something
> > they don't want to air. How incredibly stupid would it be
> to
> > air somethign that's gonna drive away most of your
> audience?
>
> Who is forcing who? You see that several affiliates didn't
> show it, and I'm safely assuming that most of the available
> TV audience didn't/don't watch it.

~I'm talking about the many people yelling for the stations to air it despite any of the surrounding circumstances.

>
> > People can say "oh, we don't know that until it happens"
> > until they're blue in the face, but the fact is if you do
> > drive them away, they're very difficult to get back, and
> > that's bad business.
>
> Then why premiere new shows in the first place? NBC isn't
> exactly in a position to play it conservatively.

~Well yeah, that's exactly my point. They don't air every show that comes along, so why does one that sounds so crappy get such a big push from the loud minority? See what I'm saying? Plenty of show don't make it, and when some air that a lot of people don't want, people who don't know if they want it or not suddenly decide that it should be aired.

> >
> > Don't worry, another year or so of the crap that's on tv
> now
> > and we'll get stuff like this all the time. Just be
> patient.
> >
> CSI:, Law & Order, and all of its associated clones continue
> to draw millions of viewers; shows like "Three Wishes" get
> axed. What was that about viewers wanting more wholesome
> television? Come again?

~"Come again?" When did I say more wholesome? I believe you quoted my last sentence very well. "Just be patient". At the same time, just because people might watch the sex and violence doesn't mean you can take the God that people worship and dengrate Him without lashback. Then again, like I already said, just be patient.

>
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</img></P>
 
> > > > Why?
> > > > If people don't want to watch a show they should just
> > not
> > > > watch it.
>
>
> A simple solution that for some reason people seem to have a
> hard timr grasping. I did watch the first episode of
> Daniel. Didn't care for it so I'll not be watching it
> again. For all the controversy I was expecting a better
> show. I found it boreing. A desperate housewives rip off
> with a Christ charector thrown in was the best way I've
> heard it described by one of my co workers. But just because
> I didn't like it, I'm not going to call my local affiliate
> and demand they take it off the air. If someone wants to
> see it that should be their choice. Some "religous" group
> should not dictate what I watch. I think I can do that my
> self
>


~The problem is that you apparantely see this as strictly religious. Believe it or not there are many non-religious people who realize when a line has been crossed. That whole "just don't watch it" argument doesn't work either. Even a casual glance at the movement in television and radio shows that once a line is crossed, many more come over, then they look for the next available line. Your kids are gonna see what's on television and radio no matter what you try to do and believe it or not, it WILL have an effect on them.

If that wasn't true, Super Bowl ads wouldn't be worth millions. <P ID="signature">______________
~Always leave a hole when you go.
</img></P>
 
> ~The problem is that you apparantely see this as strictly
> religious. Believe it or not there are many non-religious
> people who realize when a line has been crossed.

Who? In this instance, aside from the America Family Association and their AMR Radio network (where I first heard of the series and their ensuing, and quite predictable, displeasure with it) I have not heard of any NON-religious groups who are calling for a boycott. Please provide sources or don't make broad statements such as this.

That whole
> "just don't watch it" argument doesn't work either. Even a
> casual glance at the movement in television and radio shows
> that once a line is crossed, many more come over, then they
> look for the next available line.

Actually, it does work (or can). I seem to remember last decade the crying and whining from the "family" groups about rating content on television. So televisions were governmentally required to be equipped with the V-Chip device and all television broadcasts (aside from news programming) were required to post a rating reflecting the show's content. This was touted as the next best thing in the war against smut. If you don't like a show or don't want your children to watch it, use your V-Chip or just don't watch. Similarly, most cable and satellite decoder boxes have settings to control not only content but which channels are allowed to be displayed on your television. Don't like Comedy Central, don't want your children to watch it? Set your cable/satellite box to block it. I, personally, don't care for the pay-for-pray cable channels (Daystar, TBN, etc) so I have them blocked.

It really is as simple as that.

No one says you are required to watch this or any other television show, but I don't care for it when a religious group (or any other group for that matter) tries dictating to me what I can or cannot/should or should not watch by threatening to boycott television outlets.

Your kids are gonna see
> what's on television and radio no matter what you try to do
> and believe it or not, it WILL have an effect on them.

If you don't want your children watching a show whose content you disagree with, outside your presence, then follow the advice I stated above and/or make sure that your children have friends whose parents share similar values and rules to yours.

Again, it really is as simple as that.
 
> > ~The problem is that you apparantely see this as strictly
> > religious. Believe it or not there are many non-religious
> > people who realize when a line has been crossed.
>
> Who? In this instance, aside from the America Family
> Association and their AMR Radio network (where I first heard
> of the series and their ensuing, and quite predictable,
> displeasure with it) I have not heard of any NON-religious
> groups who are calling for a boycott. Please provide
> sources or don't make broad statements such as this.


~I didn't realize that it would be necessary to provide sources for such a thing. While I don't know of organized groups at this moment which aren't of a religious classification, just like with the Janet Jackson fiasco there have been television and radio interviews with people who aren't Christians who are bothered by this, I've taken calls from people who aren't Christian (and readily point this out) who believe it's wrong to do, and I've heard comments on some of the rock stations in our town on both sides of the fence.

>
> That whole
> > "just don't watch it" argument doesn't work either. Even a
>
> > casual glance at the movement in television and radio
> shows
> > that once a line is crossed, many more come over, then
> they
> > look for the next available line.
>
> Actually, it does work (or can). I seem to remember last
> decade the crying and whining from the "family" groups about
> rating content on television. So televisions were
> governmentally required to be equipped with the V-Chip
> device and all television broadcasts (aside from news
> programming) were required to post a rating reflecting the
> show's content. This was touted as the next best thing in
> the war against smut. If you don't like a show or don't
> want your children to watch it, use your V-Chip or just
> don't watch. Similarly, most cable and satellite decoder
> boxes have settings to control not only content but which
> channels are allowed to be displayed on your television.
> Don't like Comedy Central, don't want your children to watch
> it? Set your cable/satellite box to block it. I,
> personally, don't care for the pay-for-pray cable channels
> (Daystar, TBN, etc) so I have them blocked.

~Are you telling me that as a kid or teen that any of these measures would have stopped you from seeing anything you really wanted to see?

>
> It really is as simple as that.
>
> No one says you are required to watch this or any other
> television show, but I don't care for it when a religious
> group (or any other group for that matter) tries dictating
> to me what I can or cannot/should or should not watch by
> threatening to boycott television outlets.

~It's a free country according even to what you are saying. If the stations really want this programming on, they'll put it on. At the same time, if there are enough people ready to boycott a certain thing that the thing gets pulled for fear of loss, then you should ask yourself why. I have to see homosexual activity, nudity and hear cursing on television that I don't want to see, but nobody seems to care when a Christian is offended as long as that Christian doesn't have any say in programming. I hate the direction tv is taking, but you can't even pretend to say that it's slowing down in the least.

>
> Your kids are gonna see
> > what's on television and radio no matter what you try to
> do
> > and believe it or not, it WILL have an effect on them.
>
> If you don't want your children watching a show whose
> content you disagree with, outside your presence, then
> follow the advice I stated above and/or make sure that your
> children have friends whose parents share similar values and
> rules to yours.
>
> Again, it really is as simple as that.


~So, you never did anything your parents warned you against and realized later that they were right?
>
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~Always leave a hole when you go.
</img></P>
 
> ~I didn't realize that it would be necessary to provide
> sources for such a thing. While I don't know of organized
> groups at this moment which aren't of a religious
> classification, just like with the Janet Jackson fiasco
> there have been television and radio interviews with people
> who aren't Christians who are bothered by this, I've taken
> calls from people who aren't Christian (and readily point
> this out) who believe it's wrong to do, and I've heard
> comments on some of the rock stations in our town on both
> sides of the fence.

If you are going to make broad statements, I'm going to request sources. Yes, there are people who are uncomfortable with what happened at the Super Bowl two years ago. And to some extent, I can agree with their feelings. That's why we have content rules mandated by the FCC. That's why Comedy Central only shows the "Girls Gone Wild" advertisements after midnight. That's also why NBC is airing this program in the late evening, outside what is traditionally considered "the family hour."


> ~Are you telling me that as a kid or teen that any of these
> measures would have stopped you from seeing anything you
> really wanted to see?

If I were determined enough, probably not. But my parents did not let TV be the "babysitter" in the family either. They were engaged with what the family was watching as a whole.

> ~It's a free country according even to what you are saying.
> If the stations really want this programming on, they'll put
> it on. At the same time, if there are enough people ready to
> boycott a certain thing that the thing gets pulled for fear
> of loss, then you should ask yourself why. I have to see
> homosexual activity, nudity and hear cursing on television
> that I don't want to see, but nobody seems to care when a
> Christian is offended as long as that Christian doesn't have
> any say in programming. I hate the direction tv is taking,
> but you can't even pretend to say that it's slowing down in
> the least.

Again, you don't have to see or hear anything. If it offends you, turn it off. If you want to hear nothing but positive reinforcement of your beliefs in the form of scripted half-hour or hour-long programming, then demand that your Daystar, TBN or other pay-for-pray outlet air that type programming as a counter to the programming you find objectionable; or put in a "VeggieTales" tape. There's a reason why those stations are majority pay-for-pray: there is obviously not a marketplace out there to support the type of programming you seem to want.

For as much and as loudly as the christian right in this country complains about the programming on television, one would think the marketplace would be there for alternative family-friendly programming. Yet CSI:, Desperate Housewives, and the Law and Order franchise still pull the eyeballs in their respective time slot. Is there content on these shows that some people find objectionable? Quite likely. Do people still watch it? You bet your ad dollar they do! That leads me to believe that there are millions of so-called Christians out there who believe in the cause, but don't follow it up with action (or, in the case of these shows, actually and actively watch the programming).

As adults, most of us are capable of making informed decisions about what we will or will not do. If you find something objectionable, turn it off.

> > If you don't want your children watching a show whose
> > content you disagree with, outside your presence, then
> > follow the advice I stated above and/or make sure that
> your
> > children have friends whose parents share similar values
> and
> > rules to yours.
> >
> > Again, it really is as simple as that.
>
>
> ~So, you never did anything your parents warned you against
> and realized later that they were right?
> >
>

Oh there are plenty of things my parents warned me against that they were correct about. That's part of growing up and becoming a fully formed person capable of distinguishing right from wrong and making informed decisions.

But if you want your children to espouse the same values that you yourself hold, then it is up to you to police who their friends are and what they are up to. It is up to you to police what television shows they are watching instead of abdicating that responsibility to the remote control. If they watch something you find objectionable because you were not actively engaged in this aspect of their lives, you have no one to place the blame on but yourself.
 
> Or we can stop trying to force the stations to air something
> they don't want to air. How incredibly stupid would it be to
> air somethign that's gonna drive away most of your audience?
> People can say "oh, we don't know that until it happens"
> until they're blue in the face, but the fact is if you do
> drive them away, they're very difficult to get back, and
> that's bad business.
>
> Don't worry, another year or so of the crap that's on tv now
> and we'll get stuff like this all the time. Just be patient.
>

If the NEXSTAR stations (which most of the TBOD pre-empters have been) don't want to show NBC PROGRAMMING, then they should consider an affliation switch, to say "I"/PAX. Then, they can cater local programming to their hearts content.

NBC needs to rein in Lammers and the NEXSTAR cartel.
 
> > > > Why?
> > > > If people don't want to watch a show they should just
> > not
> > > > watch it.
>
>
> A simple solution that for some reason people seem to have a
> hard timr grasping. I did watch the first episode of
> Daniel. Didn't care for it so I'll not be watching it
> again. For all the controversy I was expecting a better
> show. I found it boreing. A desperate housewives rip off
> with a Christ charector thrown in was the best way I've
> heard it described by one of my co workers. But just because
> I didn't like it, I'm not going to call my local affiliate
> and demand they take it off the air. If someone wants to
> see it that should be their choice. Some "religous" group
> should not dictate what I watch. I think I can do that my
> self
>

AMEN !!!
 
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